[Lnc-business] Who the hell thought this was a good idea?

Whitney Bilyeu whitneycb76 at gmail.com
Fri Apr 14 10:22:54 EDT 2017


Btw, I ask about authority to remove in response to Patrick saying he was
removed from the design group...I heard about a staff member also being
kicked out of that group...so, I'm curious who's 'in charge'.



On Apr 13, 2017 10:29 PM, "Whitney Bilyeu" <whitneycb76 at gmail.com> wrote:

> How does someone in the FB design group, or whatever it is called, have
> the authority to remove someone else? Who has that authority?
>
> Whose group is it, actually?
>
> On Apr 13, 2017 10:11 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Patrick you were told incorrectly about the branding issue- it is more
> nuanced than that.
>
> I would be more than glad to discuss in person - not too much time tonight.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:08 PM Patrick McKnight <
> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been posting to the facebook site for almost a year and I still
>> don't know what the rules are. I have even less understanding about how the
>> design team works (and apparently I was removed from that group.)
>>
>> If all posts are to be branded and approved in advance why would we still
>> need all these different people posting?
>>
>> How many people are currently posting and how do they get approved to
>> join the page? How many people are designing content and who is in charge
>> of that?
>>
>> I suspect that, as usual, we are making things too complicated and have
>> too little delegation of specific responsibilities. I would like to think
>> incidents like these would underscore the fact we have a serious
>> communication and marketing problem in our organization.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Patrick McKnight
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There is an excellent idea in there that I am thinking on with at least
>>> the branded memes.  I know they are uploaded to a shared folder - memes
>>> should first be uploaded into a "to be reviewed" folder and then released
>>> from there.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Patrick McKnight <
>>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think we need to examine our social media policies, or the lack
>>>> thereof. I see two issues:
>>>>
>>>> 1. There are no clear rules and APRC doesn't seem to be able to keep up
>>>> with reviewing content.
>>>> 2. It seems like we have a larger number of different people posting
>>>> than in the past. Who approves new admins?
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest two courses of action:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Reduce the number of posts. Quality is more important than quantity.
>>>> This will also make it easier for APRC to review.
>>>> 2. Establish some sort of reliable quality control process. For
>>>> example, I was told a few months ago we were only supposed to use branded
>>>> posts. Then why not have APRC review the content as it's created instead of
>>>> waiting for it to be posted?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am reaching out to Chris.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken, I was just giving a point of information over it.  I look
>>>>>> forward to speaking with you in person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I lost a committee member over it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ChristopherSThrasher/videos/1010110
>>>>>>> 1465082209/?notif_t=live_video&notif_id=1492129680368260
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, the post was deleted, 6 or 7 hours after it was posted. Damage
>>>>>>>> is done.  Now, how do we prevent such problems in the future?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FYI the post has been deleted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We obviously need to change the policy about the FB page. There
>>>>>>>>>> is way too much crap being posted in our name. This is not the first
>>>>>>>>>> instance, and without action it will not be the last. These types of posts
>>>>>>>>>> being made in OUR name do harm to the party, and make a mockery of the work
>>>>>>>>>> that every contributor is making to satisfy someone's personal grind.  I
>>>>>>>>>> hope that in lieu of APRC reeling in these posts, a motion will be made by
>>>>>>>>>> the LNC to require it.  Please, no more trolling or sh*tposting on the FB
>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua is correct - FB is an unusual situation and is more
>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to review.  I think with the upcoming meeting that each of us has
>>>>>>>>>>> not reviewed as much as we normally do.  That is certainly true with me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>>>>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The APRC handles FB posts.  We check the scheduled items.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>> admit that I have not done so very often in the last few weeks.  But, as I
>>>>>>>>>>>> often do, I'd also remind the LNC that the APRC is given only a limited
>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisdiction.  Also, the process for FB is different than that for staff
>>>>>>>>>>>> items - staff items are presented and need to receive affirmative
>>>>>>>>>>>> approvals, whereas FB items are not presented in the same way and do not
>>>>>>>>>>>> need affirmative approvals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <
>>>>>>>>>>>> whitneycb76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does APRC handle these FB posts, too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2017 6:07 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I honestly did not see this but I have been swamped with work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and travel the past few weeks.  I would have disallowed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Ken Moellman <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What in the Hell (pun intended) is with this post?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/libertarians/photos/a.1015012612115
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7726.302978.5978057725/10155188096782726/?type=3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who seriously thought this was a good idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>>
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> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
>
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> Lnc-business mailing list
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