[Lnc-business] Convention Oversight Committee Housekeeping

Sam Goldstein goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
Wed Jun 28 20:26:43 EDT 2017


I agree with Alicia's responses above and am OK with her proposed change to
the
policy manual.  This is a matter of some urgency since the next COC meeting
be
on July 3rd.

Sam

Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
Member at Large
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Alicia makes very good points.
>
> It seems to really matter in some committees and not as critical in others.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:09 PM Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not in favor of a general rule which says that once an appointment is
>> made, it is good for the duration of the term even if eligibility changes
>> in the meantime.
>>
>> Consider the Employment Policy and Compensation Committee.  Our policy
>> makes the LNC Chair ineligible to serve.  Suppose a Chair is hit by the
>> proverbial bus.  Suppose the person chosen to fill the Chair vacancy was
>> previously appointed to the EPCC.  Having the Chair (staff supervisor)
>> serve on the EPCC could be a problem.  Suppose the new Chair asks staff to
>> violate some policies.  The EPCC is the entity that the staff should
>> contact in such a situation, but now their boss is on the EPCC, so they're
>> not going to do that.
>>
>> Consider the Executive Committee.  The 4 officers are ex-officio members
>> of the ExComm.  Suppose an officer resigns.  Do we want that person to
>> continue to serve on the ExComm, though they're no longer on the LNC?
>>
>> There are probably other examples as well that could be problematic.
>> Let's just address the situation at hand and not monkey with the system
>> further.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:53 AM, David Demarest <
>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From a common sense perspective, I will support the proposal for adding
>>> a provision that a subsequent LNC status change would not affect a prior
>>> Committee appointment for the duration of the committee appointment term.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2017 1:40 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a particular reason we couldn't fix it this way, by email?
>>>>
>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, the reason for not waiting till August is we will possibly be
>>>>> having some very substantive votes before the August LNC meeting and I
>>>>> would rather have the full COC able to legally vote.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be in favour of that.  Often times person who will end up
>>>>> filling LNC vacancies are those involved already somewhere and showing
>>>>> leadership.  I don't think we should be removing those people from
>>>>> consideration to fill a remaining term or making the other committees
>>>>> suffer.  The spirit of the rule is to make a good faith to diversify
>>>>> positions, but having a crystal ball shouldn't be part of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I would support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <
>>>>> danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was actually considering broaching that change for the meeting in
>>>>>> Kansas City.  I think we should add a provision that if you are on a
>>>>>> committee and your status changes by becoming LNC or Alternate or other
>>>>>> such shift like being one of the regional reps on the ASC and you end up
>>>>>> appointed as in an At Large position, you maintain your position on the
>>>>>> committee for the duration of that term.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer the second.  And wouldn't there be a different threshold?
>>>>>> If we are going to over-ride the policy manual  - we do it the right way by
>>>>>> editing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think perhaps this brings up something that might need to be a
>>>>>> permanent change - when people end up on the LNC but were not when they
>>>>>> were appointed.  I would be amenable to looking at something on that route
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Daniel Hayes <
>>>>>> danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We find ourselves with a bit a problem that needs fixing.  The
>>>>>>> policy manual defines the Convention Oversight Committee as follows:  "Four
>>>>>>> LNC Members or Alternates, plus 3 non-LNC members who are recommended by
>>>>>>> the Convention Oversight Committee"  "LNC members selected by the LNC,
>>>>>>> non-LNC members selected by the LNC Chair".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erin Adams has moved from being a non-LNC member to being a LNC
>>>>>>> Alternate.  I have two alternatives on how to do it.  I highly value Erin's
>>>>>>> work ethic and contribution to the COC and wish to keep her as a full
>>>>>>> voting member of the committee.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, we could just do the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Move to ratify Erin Adams, Whitney Bilyeu, William Brackeen, Sam
>>>>>>> Goldstein, Daniel Hayes, Alicia Mattson, and BetteRose Ryan as members of
>>>>>>> the Convention Oversight Committee for the current term, notwithstanding
>>>>>>> any rules in the LNC Policy Manual."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I included all the names because if we ratified one person but not
>>>>>>> the others, that might create some other problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This following option is a bit messier but more certain:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Move to amend the chart in the LNC policy manual section 1.03 to
>>>>>>> define the size of the Convention Oversight Committee as,
>>>>>>> 'Seven members composed of up to five LNC Members or Alternates,
>>>>>>> plus up to three non-LNC members who are recommended by the Convention
>>>>>>> Oversight Committee.';
>>>>>>> to sunset upon expiration of the current COC term and to ratify Erin
>>>>>>> Adams' position as a member of the Convention Oversight Committee."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My reason for the "up to" language is because life has a funny way
>>>>>>> of throwing us twists.  IF for some reason a LNC member of the COC were to
>>>>>>> vacate their seat before the end of their term, I would expect us to
>>>>>>> restore the composition to 4 LNC and 3 non LNC members of the COC. The
>>>>>>> sunset is there to restore the original intent once this term is over.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not seeking co-sponsors for either motion yet, as I am checking
>>>>>>> a sense of the body to see which route we prefer to use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>> LNC COC Vice-Chair
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
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