[Lnc-business] Fwd: Proposal for Libertarian Party (from Chairman of Mississippi)

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Sun Aug 27 13:30:59 EDT 2017


A member wrote to recommend Bergkand's Libertarianism in One Lesson.

But hands down if I could have a case to give out at Outreach booths it is
Wes's book.  Also it's not only pro-libertarian in general- it is specific
to growing our Party.


On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 11:28 AM David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
wrote:

> Ditto Starchild’s and Caryn Ann’s comments. My wife and I thoroughly
> enjoyed Wes’s book and frequently recommend and use it as a reference.
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> Thoughts?
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 27, 2017 11:18 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Fwd: Proposal for Libertarian Party (from
> Chairman of Mississippi)
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> Wes' book is excellent.  It is what I recommend to people here in CO.  We
> have given it away before and if we get it at cost from Wes (i.e. he
> doesn't profit from it) I don't see an issue.
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> Unfortunately I have not had time to read the other book yet (Nutshell)
> but others noted to me that they felt like it either directly said or
> implied that belief in a small state was a necessary belief which - if true
> - would violate the Dallas Accord as embodied in the 1974 Starement of
> Principles.  Again, that is passing on feedback - I have not yet read it.
> My pile of must-read is gigantic.  Wes' book handles that issue perfectly
> without taking a side.
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> I would also recommend the Ruwart book.  She has not declared she is
> running nor even has something as preliminary as an exploratory committee.
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> -Caryn Ann
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> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 2:39 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
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> I've been meaning to follow up on the offer discussed on the LNC list last
> year to have the LP sell copies of the book "Libertarianism in a Nutshell"
> by Aaron Barksdale and Joshua Hardy. Unfortunately, having now read the
> book, I can't in good conscience recommend it for such a project. With all
> due respect to the Missouri LP chair and his co-author who I believe had
> good intentions (and did manage to publish an actual book, something I
> haven't managed myself!), I think there are other introductory libertarian
> works out there which would better suit our needs.
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>
>
> At the time I was reading "Libertarianism in a Nutshell" late last year or
> early this year I took some more detailed notes, but managed to misplace
> them – my long delay in following up on this was due in part to hoping they
> might turn up. But I do recall, referencing Joshua Katz's message below,
> noticing numerous grammar and typographic errors (e.g. the table of
> contents listing incorrect page numbers for various sections), as well as
> issues of a more substantive nature.
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> One example of the latter is the following sentence which appears on page
> 38 (in a chapter explaining the *classical liberal* point of view):  "The
> only legitimate roles of the state are to provide defense, the protection
> of rights, and the survival of a state." Besides being grammatically
> awkward, this sentence seems highly dubious to me as a definitive statement
> of classical liberalism's take on government (compare with the material at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism), and the
> authoritative manner in which the statement is asserted might even give a
> casual reader flipping through the book the impression that this is what
> *libertarianism* holds. I regret to say that the volume is replete with
> many such problematic passages, and in my view would require some
> significant editing and revising in order to be "ready for prime time".
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>
>
> By contrast, another introductory libertarian book of similar length I've
> started reading which appears to be better written, edited, and organized
> is LP executive director Wes Benedict's "Introduction to the Libertarian
> Party". Promoting a book written by a current member of staff does raise
> conflict of interest issues however – although I realize some groups do
> such things, I'm not sure it sits quite right with me.
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>
> Fortunately I don't think there is a shortage of good books on
> libertarianism out there from which to choose, if we really start looking.
> A personal favorite, although it is a bit longer than the two
> aforementioned volumes and therefore would presumably cost more to buy and
> distribute in bulk, is former LNC member Mary Ruwart's "Healing Our World",
> which I often recommend to people new to libertarianism who seem willing to
> read something more in depth than a brochure or brief online description.
> It is my understanding however that Ruwart may be a presidential candidate
> for the LP in 2020 however, in which case it would not be right to offer
> this book at present even if we desired to do so, since doing so would be
> showing favoritism to a particular candidate prior to our nomination.
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> In short, although I think the idea of having the LP offer an introductory
> book on libertarianism as an item for sale or a membership or donor premium
> or something is a fine one (and possibly has been done before), I have no
> recommendation at this time.
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> Love & Liberty,
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> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
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> On Jun 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:
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> I don't think it matters if it is self published, small press, or large
> press. I mean that book cover, layout, etc. is at least reasonable. Written
> means reasonably free of grammar and spelling type errors. I.e. not
> embarrassing.
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> On Jun 24, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Starchild wrote:
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> Excuse me – I misspoke in the email below. I just realized that I actually
> already have a copy of *Libertarianism in a Nutshell *which someone
> (Aaron Barksdale?) gave me at the convention! I will give it a read.
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> Love & Liberty,
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>                                            ((( starchild )))
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> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (2016-2018)
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>                                 RealReform at earthlink.net
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> On Jun 24, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Starchild wrote:
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> I appreciate the creative thinking behind this offer, and Aaron
> Barksdale's interest in seeking a mutually beneficial arrangement with the
> Libertarian Party over the sale of his book. Having neither read this book
> myself nor being acquainted with the views of the authors however, I can't
> vote for an endorsement at this time.
>
>
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> If the authors or their publisher wish to send me a review copy for
> purposes of making this offer, I will read it and after reading, donate the
> book to the party (to avoid any conflict of interest). If Aaron wishes to
> have the LNC vote to endorse the book on behalf of the party, I would
> suggest that providing review copies to members of the LNC on this basis
> would be in order, so that we will be better informed to make an
> evaluation.
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>
>
> If we do decide that a book promotion deal on a libertarian book is
> something we'd like to enter into, I believe we should also let our
> membership know that we are in the market for making a deal of this sort on
> a libertarian book. It could be that other Libertarians (or libertarians)
> may have authored (or be prepared to write) books on which they might be
> willing to offer the party a more attractive deal (not that we are limited
> to making a single deal, of course). Certainly the quality of the book
> would matter too – hence my interest in actually reading it before voting
> on this contract – but I think an open, competitive bidding process is in
> the interest of the Libertarian Party whenever we are looking to enter into
> some type of contract or employment relationship.
>
>
>
> One further somewhat unrelated idea:  I'd like to see us hold conventions
> in locations where we have sufficient space at our disposal for which we do
> not have to pay anything, so that we can offer vendors such as Aaron
> Barksdale and his co-author or their publishing company to have booth space
> at no cost. I believe that maximizing the number of vendors present rather
> than seeking to make money via charging each individual vendor would be in
> the party's interest for the following reasons:
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> • It would likely expose convention attendees to many pro-freedom
> materials they would not otherwise encounter
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> • It would create gratitude toward the LP from vendors who would be
> afforded a valuable sales opportunity at no cost to themselves
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> • Some of those attending a convention as vendors would likely end up
> paying for speakers or meals, or donating money or materials to the party,
> in appreciation of being given the free opportunity to sell their
> merchandise
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> • If not already libertarians, persons attending as vendors would be
> exposed to libertarian ideas via interacting with convention attendees even
> if they do not check out any speakers or other events
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> • The presence of hundreds or thousands of vendors instead of the mere
> dozens (at most) that we attract now would significantly boost our overall
> convention attendance numbers, increasing the visibility and clout of our
> conventions
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> • The presence of hundreds or thousands of vendors offering materials they
> believe will be of interest to Libertarians would create a unique shopping
> experience that in and of itself would become a specific additional draw
> for other convention-goers
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> Love & Liberty,
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>                                             ((( starchild )))
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> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (2016-2018)
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>                                 RealReform at earthlink.net
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>                                          (415) 625-FREE
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> On Jun 22, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Arvin Vohra wrote:
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> Hi all, please consider the following proposal from Aaron Barksdale:
>
> Mr. Vohra;
>
> Aaron Barksdale, Chairman of the Libertarian Party of Mississippi, here
> wanting to offer a proposal that is win-win for the LP and myself.  I am
> writing you using a personal e-mail because this is not connected to the
> MSLP.
>
> In case you are not aware, the Secretary of the MSLP and I wrote a book
> called *Libertarianism in a Nutshell*.  Please review the proposal
> enclosed and contact me if you have any questions or counter offers or to
> proceed with the proposal.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Aaron Barksdale
> cell: (228)238-7844
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>
>
> --
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> Arvin Vohra
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> www.VoteVohra.com
> VoteVohra at gmail.com
> (301) 320-3634
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> <LP_Proposal.pdf>
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
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> *We defend your rights*
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> *And oppose the use of force*
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> *Taxation is theft*
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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