[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-19 : Yemen Resolution

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Sun Oct 22 12:18:52 EDT 2017


A yes vote will not.  We don't have the influence.  And giving tacit
support to the abominable policy that put us there to begin with is a net
educational loss.

-Caryn Ann


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:16 AM David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes, Joshua is correct. A Yes vote MAY not decrease the American
> causalities in Yemen. A well-intended No vote, however, DEFINITELY will not
> reduce American deaths.
>
> A Yes vote will demonstrate to the broader audience that the LNC has it's
> priorities straight on reducing useless American deaths and make our
> inspirational deliberations more relevant to American voters and speed up
> the process
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Oct 22, 2017 9:41 AM, "Ken Moellman" <ken at moellman.com> wrote:
>
>> On the whole, I think it's a net good. Therefore, I vote Aye.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:08 AM, David Demarest <
>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I vote Yes on the Yemen motion.
>>>
>>> I agree with wise use of the bully pulpit. Accordingly, I am voting in
>>> favor of the Yemen resolution just as I would vote Yes on a medicinal
>>> marijuana motion even though it did not go for the whole drug war repeal
>>> enchilada. Why throw out the baby with the bath water?
>>>
>>> If the LNC seriously intends to help make the Libertarian movement a
>>> success, we need to put more emphasis on deciding  what we are going to
>>> accomplish rather than finding reasons for voting No.
>>>
>>> A No vote on this motion is preaching to the choir. A Yes vote is a
>>> clear stand in favor of reducing our military presence in Yemen and
>>> reducing useless American soldier causalities as we get a start on bringing
>>> them home. A No vote on this motion is NOT going to reduce the deaths of
>>> American soldiers.
>>>
>>> Thought?
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2017 8:01 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I vote no partially for the same reasons as Sam.
>>>>
>>>> And add, that with rare exception, I oppose us putting out resolutions
>>>> that do not reference clear libertarian ideological justifications in order
>>>> to further education on our views.
>>>>
>>>> I think a statement or press release from the chair could address this
>>>> in an libertarian-focused manner.
>>>>
>>>> We need to use our bully pulpit wisely.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:10 AM Sam Goldstein <
>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also strongly encourage other LNC members to vote no.  The
>>>>> resolution clearly allow the
>>>>> Federal government to use military force in another country in
>>>>> violation of both our party Platform
>>>>> and the NAP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone
>>>>> 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Patrick McKnight <
>>>>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I vote yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>>>> Region 8 Rep
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2017 2:42 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2017 at
>>>>>>> 11:59:59pm Pacific time.  Trick or Treat!!*
>>>>>>> *Co-Sponsor:*  Sarwark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Motion:*  That the LNC adopt the following resolution:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------Resolution Text--------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Call to End the U.S. War in Yemen and Support House Concurrent
>>>>>>> Resolution 81
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers
>>>>>>> Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from unauthorized
>>>>>>> hostilities in the Republic of Yemen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Resolved by the Libertarian National Committee (LNC)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SECTION 1. REMOVAL OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM HOSTILITIES IN
>>>>>>> THE REPUBLIC OF YEMEN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (a) Findings ––The Libertarian National Committee agrees with
>>>>>>> Congress and finds the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) Whereas, Congress has the sole power to declare war under
>>>>>>> article I, section 8, of the Constitution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (2) Whereas, a state of war has not been declared to exist with
>>>>>>> respect to the conflict between forces led by Saudi Arabia and the United
>>>>>>> Arab Emirates against the Houthi-Saleh alliance in the Republic of Yemen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (3) Whereas, United States Armed Forces have been involved in
>>>>>>> hostilities between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance,
>>>>>>> including through assisting Saudi and United Arab Emirates warplanes
>>>>>>> conducting aerial bombings in Yemen with selecting targets and by providing
>>>>>>> midair refueling services to such warplanes, amounting to millions of
>>>>>>> pounds of jet fuel delivered during thousands of Saudi and United Arab
>>>>>>> Emirates airstrikes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (4) Whereas, according to the Department of State’s Country Reports
>>>>>>> on Terrorism 2016, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the
>>>>>>> Houthi-Saleh alliance is counterproductive to ongoing efforts by the United
>>>>>>> States to pursue Al Qaeda and its associated forces under the Authorization
>>>>>>> for the Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (5) Whereas, no authorization for the use of United States Armed
>>>>>>> Forces with respect to the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the
>>>>>>> Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen has been enacted, and no provision of law
>>>>>>> authorizes the provision of midair refueling services to warplanes of Saudi
>>>>>>> Arabia or the United Arab Emirates that are engaged in such conflict.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (6) Whereas, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the
>>>>>>> Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen constitutes, within the meaning of section
>>>>>>> 4(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1543(a)(1)), either
>>>>>>> hostilities or a situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is
>>>>>>> clearly indicated by the circumstances into which United States Armed
>>>>>>> Forces have been introduced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore, be it resolved, the LNC supports H.Con.Res. 81 in
>>>>>>> accordance with section 3.3 of the Libertarian Party Platform, but advises
>>>>>>> complete removal of U.S. Armed Forces from the Republic of Yemen:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (b) Removal Of Armed Forces.—Pursuant to section 5(c) of the War
>>>>>>> Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)), Congress hereby directs the
>>>>>>> President to remove United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the
>>>>>>> Republic of Yemen, except United States Armed Forces engaged in operations
>>>>>>> directed at Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or associated forces, by not
>>>>>>> later than the date that is 30 days after the date of the adoption of this
>>>>>>> concurrent resolution (unless the President requests and the Congress
>>>>>>> authorizes a later date), and unless and until a declaration of war or
>>>>>>> specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces has been
>>>>>>> enacted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----------------End of Resolution Text-----------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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