[Lnc-business] Power & Discipline

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Mon Oct 23 17:47:04 EDT 2017


In this matter I defer to the judgment of Florida's regional representative
as he was elected to represent their interests.

-Caryn Ann


On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 3:44 PM David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My Libertarian tolerance does not extend to tolerating intolerance.
> Paraphrasing Barry Goldwater, "Tolerance in defense of intolerance is a
> vice." The burning question is how to effectively respond to both
> supremacist violence and non-violent 'bake the cake' intolerance.
>
> History provides considerable evidence that even when intolerance
> degenerates into violence, economic and social ostracism is a more powerful
> remediation tool in the long run.
>
> Giving top-down authoritarians our blanket permission to exercise the
> initiation of force to "defend" us from violent intolerance and right the
> moral wrong of non-violent intolerance clearly has not produced the desired
> result of freedom, nothing more, nothing less.
>
> It might be instructive to learn from the lesson of Rosa Parks. Perhaps
> Paul Stanton's "dramatics" should be critiqued in the light of economic and
> social ostracism.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> On Oct 23, 2017 3:00 PM, "Starchild" <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> As I see it, part of our mission is to make sure that it *doesn't* come
>> down to a matter of "pure self-discipline", which as Caryn Ann alludes to
>> is unreliable at best, but that instead there are institutions in place –
>> e.g. the Libertarian Party – to provide that discipline, through a culture
>> and structures which ensure that where political power exists, it is (1)
>> held accountable, (2) decentralized as much as possible, and (3) required
>> to operate transparently.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>>                                     ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                         RealReform at earthlink.net
>>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>>                                    @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> The trap of the ring.  Does anyone throw it away? I see less and less
>> commitment to that but rather more "winning at any cost" strategy and once
>> the price of pricinples has been paid, so has the commitment to bring
>> freedom - and a belief that we will use the ring for good.  And no one ever
>> does.
>>
>> Always be sure we are trying to what n freedom to give it back to its
>> rightful owners.
>>
>> To everyone reading, are you?
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 1:19 PM Steven Nekhaila <
>> steven.nekhaila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You are right Stardchild, that slogan actually comes form Freedom Force
>>> International, the group that originally made me interested in engaging in
>>> politics in order to change the system. We need to wield power to protect
>>> freedom, but we also need to throw that power away once we hold it so it
>>> may not be abused, by anyone. An act of pure self-discipline.
>>>
>>> Since joining the movement I am learning new Latin phrases all the time.
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>>
>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>> Region 14 Representative
>>> Libertarian Party of Florida
>>>
>>> *Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt*
>>> *"Those without power cannot defend freedom"*
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not familiar with the alleged threats, but resigning from the
>>>> Florida LP does seem like an extreme step, Paul. If you believe excessive
>>>> tolerance of white supremacists is a problem in the Florida LP, it sounds
>>>> like your state party could use your counterbalancing voice in its
>>>> leadership, as you provided when you ran against one such member in the
>>>> U.S. Senate primary and handily prevailed. But if you do not have the
>>>> stomach for it, I hope you find a better fit in one of the other state
>>>> affiliate parties (you can generally affiliate with a different state party
>>>> without living in that state).
>>>>
>>>> Steven makes a good point about the need to stay focused, in the face
>>>> of distractions like banality and political turbulence, on our goal of
>>>> minimizing government and maximizing freedom.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding your signature line Steven, when we're talking about
>>>> political power let us also remember,
>>>>
>>>> *Libertatem tueri posse infidelium*
>>>> *"Power cannot be trusted to defend freedom."*
>>>>
>>>> And more classically,
>>>>
>>>> *Non venimus laudare Caesare, sed ad eum.*
>>>> *"We come not to praise Caeser, but to bury him."*
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>
>>>>                            ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>                    RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>                           (415) 625-FREE
>>>>                            @StarchildSF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 23, 2017, at 6:19 AM, <region14 at lpf.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Paul,
>>>>
>>>> I think that you have seriously squandered your potential during your
>>>> stint as regional representative. To the EC this ought to be a lesson that
>>>> the more time we spend fighting each other the less time we spend fighting
>>>> our common enemy, the State and its tyranny. To be effective we have to
>>>> stick to our objective as a centrifugal force that keeps the collective
>>>> momentum together. Nothing good comes fast nor easy in politics, to succeed
>>>> in fighting for liberty requires absolute dedication to our goals during
>>>> the banal and turbulent times that wish to distract us. I say that with a
>>>> great sense of urgency. Results are the metric for success, and you don't
>>>> get that by winning personal squabbles and being carried away with
>>>> dramaticism.
>>>>
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>
>>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>>> Region 14 Representative
>>>> Libertarian Party of Florida
>>>>
>>>> *Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt*
>>>> *"Those without power cannot defend freedom"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Resignation From LPF
>>>> From: "Paul Stanton" <region7 at lpf.org>
>>>> Date: Sun, October 22, 2017 6:54 pm
>>>> To: ec at lpf.org
>>>> Cc: chair at lp.org, vicechar at lp.org, secretary at lp.org, treasurer at lp.org,
>>>> william.redpath at lp.org, daniel.hayes at lp.org, starchild at lp.org,
>>>> sam.goldstein at lp.org, joshua.katz at lp.org, caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org,
>>>> steven.nielson at lp.org, ed.marsh at lp.org, steven.nekhaila at lp.org,
>>>> brett.bittner at lp.org, ken.moellman at lp.org, jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org,
>>>> aaron.starr at lp.org, james.lark at lp.org, trent.some at lp.org,
>>>> david.demarest at lp.org, sean.otoole at lp.org, whitney.bilyeu at lp.org,
>>>> erin.adams at lp.org, patrick.mcknight at lp.org, larry.sharpe at lp.org,
>>>> wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>
>>>> Marcos,
>>>>
>>>> Due to the LPF Executive Committee's recent refusal to respond to
>>>> threats targeting myself and others from Ryan Ramsey, a white
>>>> supremacist leader, LPF county chair, LPF EC member, and candidate for
>>>> Florida House, I hereby resign from all positions and membership within the
>>>> Libertarian Party of Florida, as I can no longer in good faith
>>>> continue to ask other Libertarians to support a party which allows its
>>>> leaders to threaten and intimidate members while repeating violent white
>>>> supremacist and anti-semitic rhetoric.
>>>>
>>>> Libertarians deserve better than the Libertarian Party of Florida.
>>>>
>>>> Please remove me from any mailing or membership lists and add me to the
>>>> LPF's do not call list. I will not be responding to any email sent to this
>>>> address.
>>>>
>>>> In liberty,
>>>> Paul Stanton
>>>>
>>>> Follow me on Facebook: fb.com/Stanton4Liberty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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