[Lnc-business] Lnc-business Digest, Vol 63, Issue 103
Erin Adams
erinadams at thefeldmanfoundation.org
Sat Jul 15 18:52:55 EDT 2017
I vote yes understanding that it will only stand if Whitney does not vote
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> 1. Re: Email Ballot 2017-16: Joe Buchman Donation (Daniel Hayes)
> 2. Re: Request for co-sponsors for motion to support campaign of
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 13:48:43 -0500
> From: Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-16: Joe Buchman Donation
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> I vote "No".
>
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 15, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I regretfully vote No on this motion.
> >
> > Despite the great respect I have for Joe Buchman, I must stay consistent
> > with my stance on the Wick's motion that until the LNC has a budget and
> > firm parameters for providing financial assistance to candidates other
> than
> > POTUS, I will vote no on any such motion.
> >
> > Live Free,
> >
> >
> >
> > Sam Goldstein
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > Member at Large
> > 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> > Indianapolis IN 46260
> > 317-850-0726 Phone
> > 317-582-1773 Fax
> >
> >> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I vote Yes.
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 3:36 AM, David Demarest <
> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I vote YES.
> >>>
> >>> Salut to Dr. Joe Buchman!
> >>>
> >>> ~David Pratt
> >>>
> >>> Freedom, Nothing More, Nothing Less
> >>>
> >>> ~David Pratt Demarest
> >>> LNC Region 6 Representative
> >>> LSLA Vice-Chair
> >>> LPNE SCC Secretary
> >>> LPRC Board Member
> >>> LPRC Nebraska State Coordinator
> >>> Roads to Freedom Foundation, Founder
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 15, 2017 3:16 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 25, 2017 at 11:59:59pm
> Pacific time.
> >>>>
> >>>> Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Bilyeu, Demarest, Starchild
> >>>>
> >>>> Motion: for the LNC to contribute $5,000 to support the
> Congressional campaign of Joe Buchman (Utah)
> >>>>
> >>>> -Alicia
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> In Liberty,
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >>
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >> We defend your rights
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >> Taxation is theft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 14:11:00 -0800
> From: Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to
> support campaign of Joe Buchman
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> I vote yes.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 7:04 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> > Thank you Alicia.
> >
> > Sam, I am copying from the ballot Alicia started:
> >
> > Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Bilyeu, Demarest, Starchild
> >
> > Motion: for the LNC to contribute $5,000 to support the Congressional
> campaign of Joe Buchman (Utah)
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 6:07 AM, Sam Goldstein <
> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Caryn Ann,
> >
> > Please restate your motion and list the other co-sponsors. I can't find
> it in this
> > very long email stream.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Sam Goldstein
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > Member at Large
> > 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> > Indianapolis IN 46260
> > 317-850-0726 Phone
> > 317-582-1773 Fax
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:22 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi, I am just making sure this gets bumped up as I have the necessary
> co-sponsors and Dr. Buchman was inquiring about the time frame for a vote.
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Correction: Joe is running in 2018 when he WINS this race too :) That
> campaign has already started as well.
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Joe's doggedness has impressed me and he is campaigning hard. Further
> in this period of time where members are looking for us to keep up the
> momentum, this will please members as well.
> >
> > Once the email vote goes up, please, please vote yes. Do not allow our
> failure to develop guidelines hurt a life member/hard-working-activist/multiple
> time candidate. Further he is going to run in 2018 as well if he does not
> win this race so we are laying groundwork for TWO campaigns. That is
> amazing.
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:00 PM, David Demarest <
> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Starchild, thank you for your careful evaluation of this challenging
> question. I agree with your conclusion.
> >
> > In the spirit of Libertarianism, competitive bidding is a desired goal,
> particularly for governance and social services. However, compulsory
> representative democracy is a dysfunctional governance artifice to begin
> with.
> >
> > Accordingly, competitive bidding for our campaign financial support has
> its limitations and would be impossible to quantify. Guidelines would be
> helpful, albeit inevitably subjective based on our evaluation of candidate
> merits and electoral race relevance based on our diverse individual
> Libertarian principle perspectives that complicate reaching a consensus. Ad
> hoc debates like this may be the only realistic option. Again, however,
> guidelines would help and the sooner available, the better.
> >
> > I suggest that we proceed post haste with guideline development but in
> the meantime do not shirk our duty on ad hoc candidate vetting.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 13, 2017 1:29 PM, "Starchild" <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > I've been torn over this. I consider Joe both a good friend and a
> principled libertarian with excellent ethical instincts, a lack of burning
> ambition, and solid enough balls to stand up and speak out on principle
> when he sees something wrong going on ? in short, just the kind of
> Libertarian we need in office. He is waging a radical and spirited campaign
> for public office using wit and humor, the kind of campaign that does us
> credit.
> >
> > Nevertheless I am also very much in agreement with Sam Goldstein
> that we need to stop appropriating candidate funds in an ad hoc manner. To
> do so is unfair and probably on the whole produces results that are far
> from optimum, much like awarding contracts without competitive bidding or
> hiring new employees without an open call for applicants. Having not long
> before we received this request presented to the LNC a proposal to address
> this situation, I was at that time of a mind not to support any more such
> requests until we either approve it, or adopt some other reasonable
> approach that strives for fairness, consistency, and equal opportunity in
> how we allocate funds.
> >
> > Yet against this intent I must now weigh the obvious merits of Joe
> Buchman's campaign and Caryn Ann's strong case on his behalf, including the
> fact that this is the big national campaign we have going right now, and
> Joe is getting great exposure. In the end it is possible I am allowing
> myself to be swayed by friendship and personal familiarity and regard,
> which is precisely the danger of the way we are conducting this process (or
> lack of a process), and if some feel I am making the wrong decision I can't
> really blame them. Nevertheless, I'm going to go ahead and co-sponsor in
> the knowledge that we'll be supporting a terrific candidate and a man of
> integrity who I trust to spend the money wisely.
> >
> > So I gather we now have the requisite four votes.
> >
> > Love & Liberty,
> >
> > ((( starchild )))
> > At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> > RealReform at earthlink.net
> > (415) 625-FREE
> > @StarchildSF
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >
> >> Joe did very well in the debate - he only had the questions ahead of
> time for a few hours while the old party candidates had them for a few
> weeks. He is now working hard to get in the next major debate. This is a
> candidate doing a real campaign... looking for one more co-sponsor.
> >> -Caryn Ann
> >>
> >> http://kutv.com/news/local/3rd-district-candidates-try-
> to-break-out-of-the-pack-at-debate-in-provo
> >>
> >> ==But Curtis came with a target on his back. When he told the crowd the
> federal government's proper role included overseeing currency, Buchman
> pounced.
> >> "Mr. Mayor, I apologize but I get to correct you," he said. "As someone
> who earned a PhD and an MBA in finance, the Federal Reserve is a private
> bank."==
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:30 PM, David Demarest <
> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
> >> Regarding Dr. Buchman?s alleged ?I can?t win? comment, Larry Sharpe has
> pointed out that despite the admittedly formidable odds against Larry
> winning the 2018 New York Governor?s race, it will be worth it not only to
> lay a foundation for the future but also, and just as important, to provide
> considerable credibility and word-of-mouth publicity impact to down-ticket
> races.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ~David
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2018 Omaha Roads to Liberty Un-Convention
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ~David Pratt Demarest
> >>
> >> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
> >>
> >> LSLA Vice-Chair
> >>
> >> LPNE State Central Committee, Secretary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
> Of Ken Moellman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 9:33 PM
> >> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to
> support campaign of Joe Buchman
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I cannot co-sponsor because I'm an alternate. However, I have had
> several conversations and I want to chime back in and revise my statements
> from my initial email.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I do not know Dr. Buchman personally, and nothing I said before was
> meant to be personal. As a former campaign manager, anything that sounds
> like "I can't win" makes me want to set the room on fire. I'm a bit
> sensitive on that matter.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Since that time, I have learned more information.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The core issue is the use of the funds. If the funds are being used to
> increase the ability of the campaign to do long-term outreach (supplies
> promoting the LP, building local parties, etc.), I could be convinced to
> support such a measure. By contrast, if the funds are being used to
> purchase supplies like yard signs or other "temporary" campaign-related
> costs, I'd definitely be against it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm just an alternate, so my vote rarely counts. But after obtaining
> more information and further thought on the matter, I felt it necessary to
> append my previous comments with these.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ken
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Joe is also a friend of mine, and yes, he is "okay" with it, meaning no
> ill feelings as he is a long-term and dedicated member of the Party who
> understands that this is business, he certainly urged me to ask, and has
> been asking me for updates-- so it would mean a great to him and his
> campaign. This is the only Federal race going on right now - and he just
> scored a victory getting into a previously denied debate. I have explained
> the realities of the situation with having no set standards yet and he
> understands -- but he certainly did ask me to pursue this. And members
> have asked me about it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As to funding ballot access, though I respect my predecessor Norm
> immensely - he and I are of different minds when it comes to ballot access
> funding - he would routinely vote no. I have always voted yes. There are
> many reasons for that but one issue that arises is that Region 1 gets short
> shrift in that - or it can **appear** so. I am fully on board with the
> idea that nationwide ballot access benefits everyone, but it is certainly
> true that these funds do not go to Region 1 - with the highest numerical
> amounts of affiliates (9 states). Utah is Region 1 and helping with a
> Region 1 campaign helps to balance this out and thus far, I have had the
> full support of my regional chairs when supporting ballot access funding
> because I press the case that region 1 is getting benefits from pushing
> national memberships and in their national membership.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I also urge other members to give a contribution. I will be doing so
> when I see how this month's finances go.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I thank David and Whitney for co-sponsoring. I ask for one more.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --Caryn Ann
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 12:13 PM, William Redpath <wredpath2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Joe Buchman is a multi-decade friend of mine. I thank him very much
> for running--he jumped in at the last minute when another candidate backed
> out--and wish him the best in his Campaign. I have personally contributed
> $201 to Joe Buchman's Campaign. I urge other members of the LNC to do so,
> as well. However, I am opposed to the LNC contributing to his Campaign. I
> have discussed this with Joe, and he is OK with no LNC funding of his
> Campaign. I wish we did, but the LNC currently does not have the resources
> to be contributing to many, if any, candidates, particularly when we have
> other needs, including ballot access in Tennessee and Alabama. And, we
> have Ohio to finish, and that is a big job.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I ask people not to co-sponsor this motion and, should it become a
> motion, to vote "No."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill Redpath
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> On Tue, 7/11/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to
> support campaign of Joe Buchman
> >>
> >> To: "Libertarian National Committee list" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> >>
> >> Cc: "Joseph Buchman" <drbuchman at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2017, 1:31 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe got in
> >>
> >> the debates - this is getting momentum. I am once again
> >>
> >> asking for the needed co-sponsors.
> >>
> >> -Caryn Ann
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:08 PM, David Demarest <
> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I will co-sponsor.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 11, 2017 12:32 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Joe got in the debates - this is getting momentum. I am once again
> asking for the needed co-sponsors.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Caryn Ann
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Nick,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am sure you are already on it but would this warrant a letter from
> Oliver? It sounds like it may. Only including two people from the old
> establishment parties in the debate, for the sake of time as the criteria I
> have seen for the inclusion, doesn't seem unbiased to me. AFP is a
> non-profit as I recall. That might put AFP in an even more precarious
> position than the television station in Montana.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As this is regarding potential legal action, I don't expect much of a
> response here on this public list. I am certain the letters,
> correspondence, filings and other actions, if appropriate, will be put into
> action by those with the letters J.D. behind their name.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Daniel Hayes
> >>
> >> LNC At Large Member
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dr. Buchman sent this to me this morning to provide an answer to Ken's
> inquiry and to give information and a request about the debates he has been
> excluded from. It did not make it to my inbox however and he re-sent to me
> after speaking on the phone this evening and since that time he has been
> officially denied debate access (as per the response I posted in another
> LNC business thread). But please take this information into consideration
> in this request.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know that we want to develop a candidate assistance procedure. And I
> understand that is on the agenda for August. But I ask please do not let
> that get in the way of assisting a candidate now. It is not the fault of
> the candidates that we don't yet have such a procedure and this is in the
> only Federal race now - great opportunity to get attention for a committed
> Libertarian candidate. Please consider this request..... and in member
> relations purpose, it does not help member confidence when we are not
> assisting when we can in a race that has the sole stage right now.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >>>Why won't we assist with the campaign of this candidate in the
> Federal race?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >>>Because we don't have criteria for assistance.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >>>Why don't you have criteria?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >>>Because we haven't done it yet.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >>>So candidates suffer from LNC lack of establishment of protocol?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Mark Wicks donation invigorated that race and our members. This
> could do likewise. Please co-sponsor my request.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The below is from Dr. Buchman:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ===========
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am asking for help from those who have connections with Americans for
> Prosperity in my request to be included in their Third District candidate
> debates. Please see the email I sent to them copied below and help if you
> can.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As I said in the KSL interview, the first step toward winning is
> getting into these debates. I see getting into the debates as where the
> focus should be, just as a mountain climber focuses on the next step, or
> Governor Johnson focuses on the next curve in his mountain road. To focus
> on "winning the race" rather than those immediate intermediate goals is not
> a winning strategy; it's delusional. I did not say, and have never said,
> "I am not going to win." What I said was: "I am not running to win . . .
> primarily I am running, first, to get into the debates." I also said:
> "The chances of a Libertarian winning the Third District in Utah are not
> impossible; I?m swinging; I?m going to go for it; I?m giving it everything
> I have. "
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I sure wish saying that had made every KSL and LNC listener "happy."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll leave it to others to discern if my interview with Doug Wright
> (has invited me back again) is fairly characterized as a "concession
> speech."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If that has left you off-put for listening to the entire interview, I'd
> ask you read the following for the full context and reconsider:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> WRIGHT: This gentleman has some KSL connections that we?ll talk about
> some other time, but I want to really get into the motivation, what caused
> you to want to get into this race; you?ve got a PhD, you?re running as a
> Libertarian, so let?s just set the stage. Give us a little background on
> you and why you are in this race.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> BUCHMAN: You know Doug, when I walked into your waiting room, I see
> there in the lobby, huge letters on the wall, ?A Light of Truth in the
> World.? The truth that I run on is the foundation of Libertarian politics
> which is the fundamental principle in our philosophy that drives our
> politics, our ethics, our morality and those other fields of philosophy of
> which politics is one, is pretty simple, that is that no human being should
> have the right to initiate force, violence against others, to initiate
> force. And then the second core principle is that you either own your
> physical body, it?s yours to do with as you see fit, or you?re part slave;
> you?re owned by someone else. So we take the principles of non-initiation
> of aggression and self-ownership and we apply them to politics.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Like you said, I am a college professor, that?s where I am coming
> from. I am not running to win, the chances of a Libertarian winning the
> Third District in Utah are not impossible; I?m swinging; I?m going to go
> for it; I?m giving it everything I have . . .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> WRIGHT: right . . .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> BUCHMAN: . . . if I can get Rosie O? Donnell to retweet something, who
> knows . . .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> WRIGHT: It worked for Dr. Allen.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> BUCHMAN: . . . or Drew Carey, or Penn & Teller or some other
> Libertarians who we are reaching out to, who knows? Anything is possible;
> but primarily I am running, first of all, to get into the debates. We need
> a Libertarian voice in the debates.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My email to Americans for Prosperity:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Joseph Buchman <drbuchman at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 3:45 PM
> >> Subject: Third District Candidate debate
> >> To: infout at afphq.org
> >>
> >> I am writing as the Libertarian Party of Utah's candidate for the Third
> District to request inclusion in the debates sponsored by Americans For
> Prosperity.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> See, for example, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=
> 10154532862572120&set=gm.1744266952269118&type=3&theater
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am on the ballot as a General Election candidate for this office, see:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-candidate-filings
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In the absence of an invitation to participate in your debates, may I
> inquire of the standards/process for your selection of candidates?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for your attention to this request,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> These debates were announced on Friday; the first debate is to be held
> tomorrow (Tuesday evening). I'll be there either in the audience or on the
> stage. See:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.sltrib.com/news/5485360-155/two-debates-set-
> for-three-republican
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And while they are now being repurposed as for the "Republican primary
> candidates only" please note the portion of the article which indicates the
> Democrat was invited.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Democrat Kathie Allen ? who's raised nearly $700,000 in donations ?
> did not respond to an invitation to join the event, Everton said."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Evelyn Everton is the Utah State Director for Americans for Prosperity.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Again any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I hope you'll listen to the entire KSL interview and form your own
> opinion of it. I'm sure I could have done better and continue to seek your
> constructive feedback as well as help in having Americans for Prosperity
> include the Libertarian in their debates.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks again for your consideration,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> _______________________
> >> Joseph G. Buchman, PhD
> >>
> >> 584 Hillside Circle
> >>
> >> Alpine UT 84004
> >>
> >> +++++++++++
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------Caryn Ann
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Very good points Starchild and both views are represented in our
> membership.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I certainly hope we don't divisively "take sides" on that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Caryn Ann
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ken,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You're certainly not the first Libertarian to express a disappointed
> emotional reaction to a candidate's realistic appraisal of his or her
> chances, but to you and any other Libertarian who has felt this way, I say
> take heart! One can lose in conventional terms and still win in libertarian
> terms. A conventional win means the warm body you support occupying the
> sought-after office. A libertarian win, however, means advancing the cause
> of freedom! Such wins can happen in any number of ways ? building momentum
> for a future run, exposing more people to libertarian ideas, building the
> party, etc. Of course the cause of freedom is usually more likely to be
> advanced by a Libertarian occupying the sought-after office than by not
> occupying it ? but it isn't the be-all, end-all it's too often made out to
> be. In some ways, the real fight begins after an election is won. If an
> elected Libertarian isn't mentally prepared to stick to his or her
> libertarian principles and positions, or doesn't have solidly libertarian
> principles or positions to begin with, the real, post-election fight for
> what s/he will do in office is as good as lost. Amid the statist culture
> and pressures in which s/he will be immersed, such an elected Libertarian
> will have little chance of surviving with an agenda to advance the cause of
> freedom intact.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Predicting an election loss also isn't the same thing as conceding.
> When a candidate concedes a race, s/he is saying "the campaign is over, my
> opponent won". Clearly Joe Buchman is saying no such thing! From
> appearances, he is running and will continue to run a vigorous campaign and
> seek as much exposure for our ideas and as many votes as possible. He is
> running to win in libertarian terms. But is it wise to predict a loss at
> the ballot box? While miracles occasionally do happen and I've suggested
> candidates leave the perceptions door open by not entirely ruling out the
> possibility of getting elected, I would much rather see a Libertarian
> fighting a long-shot campaign ? and this is obviously a long-shot campaign;
> no Libertarian has come close to being elected to Congress ? say flat-out
> that s/he won't win, than to flat-out say that s/he will. Any candidate
> facing those kind of odds who predicts electoral victory is either
> deceiving him/herself, or attempting to deceive others. The former shows a
> poor grasp of reality, while the latter shows a lack of integrity. Neither
> reflects well on the candidate! Joe, by contrast, showed his good character
> by giving an honest and realistic assessment of his chances. For every
> person out there who thinks, 'I want to vote for someone who tells me
> s/he's going to win', I believe there's another person out there thinking,
> 'I want to vote for someone who has integrity and tells the truth'. To
> which type of voter mentality should we, as the Party of Principle, be
> trying to appeal?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Love & Liberty,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ((( starchild )))
> >>
> >> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> >>
> >> RealReform at earthlink.net
> >>
> >> (415) 625-FREE
> >>
> >> @StarchildSF
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:00 AM, Ken Moellman wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I found out about this campaign yesterday (now, 2 days ago) and the
> referenced KSL interview almost immediately starts with the candidate
> saying "I'm not going to win." It made me sad. More importantly, I can't
> agree to give money to someone who has already conceded the race. I mean,
> what is the money going to be used for? Losing better?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> By contrast, from what I can see, candidates like Laura Ebke and at
> least one of the recent converts in NH are gearing up re-election campaigns
> with the intent to win. They certainly haven't publicly conceded, anyway.
> There are lots of candidates throughout the country gearing up for 2018
> races. 4 L converts and many other candidates looking to run winnable races.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If this body decides to support candidates, I'd really rather see this
> body support candidates that are running to win.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone, I received the below request from Dr. Joe Buchman
> (Utah) and have been speaking with him about this for the past few weeks.
> I would like us to consider assisting him to our maximum allowed of 5K.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ========
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To the members of the LNC:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz nine days ago from the Third
> District of Utah has created a Special Election to be held 7 November 2017.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe Buchman is the Libertarian Candidate for that seat and following a
> special election convention by the Libertarian Party of Utah is on the
> ballot for November 7th. There is a Democratic opponent. Three
> Republicans will face each other in a primary next month.
> >>
> >>
> >> See: https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-
> candidate-filings
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is, we believe, the only remaining contest for federal office in
> 2017 with a Libertarian candidate.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To date Dr. Buchman has invested $1,000.00 of his personal funds in the
> campaign and has raised approximately $250.00 from other donors, with
> promises for about $500 in process.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe has just been scheduled as the sole guest for the first hour of
> Coast to Coast AM, a national networked late-night radio talk show with an
> estimated 2.5 million listeners, for Saturday evening, July 29th, 10:05PM
> to 11:00PM Pacific time. Past show hosts Art Bell and Rollye James were
> self-identified Libertarians, and past guests have included Judge Jim Gray,
> Michael Badnarik, Aaron Russo, Harry Browne, Andre Marrou and Dr. Buchman
> himself (in 2008, when he last ran for the US Congress).
> >>
> >>
> >> See: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/search/?query=libertarian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe will be discussing his campaign for the US Congress, his platform
> as an expression of the NAP and Self-Ownership paradigms, will be directing
> listeners to his website and will be requesting donations. The Coast to
> Coast website will also provide a link to his campaign site - www.GotoL.vote
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is a request for national party funding for this singularly
> important Special Election campaign.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz has already generated
> significant national media attention, and this race is likely to continue
> to generate national media coverage as the replacement of Congressman
> Chaffetz will reflect, to some degree, a measure of voter confidence in the
> Trump administration.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Libertarian Party nationally will benefit from this election, the
> last of 2017 to include a Libertarian candidate for federal office.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If a funding agreement can be reached prior to the show, Dr. Buchman
> would then appeal to Coast to Coast listeners with a promise that any
> donations received during the show will be matched dollar-for-dollar. The
> show will be replayed and will also be available as a download from the
> network website.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe has been interviewed by three local papers (the Salt Lake Tribune,
> Deseret News and City Weekly) and by KSL Radio's Doug Wright.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That 9 minute radio interview can be found at:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.ksl.com/?nid=1388&a=11898
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bottom line: Joe is experienced with media interviews, had a prior
> career in radio (including working with Bill Redpath at WTTS radio in the
> 1970s), is passionate about both Libertarian political pragmatism and
> philosophy, and is currently scheduled for one of the most visible media
> appearances by any Libertarian Candidate this month (and perhaps for the
> remainder of this year).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This special election creates something of a special case for funding;
> an amount equivalent to that provided to the recent candidate in Montana
> would seem equitable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> With gratitude for your consideration of this request,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> PS If you do choose to listen to the KSL interview and/or to review the
> website and links to the print interviews there; ALL feedback, suggestions
> for improvement are also welcomed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> In Liberty,
> >>
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>
> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>
> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>
> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>
> >> We defend your rights
> >>
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >>
> >> Taxation is theft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>
> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>
> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>
> >> We defend your rights
> >>
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >>
> >> Taxation is theft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> In Liberty,
> >>
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>
> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>
> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>
> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>
> >> We defend your rights
> >>
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >>
> >> Taxation is theft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>
> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>
> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>
> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>
> >> We defend your rights
> >>
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >>
> >> Taxation is theft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>
> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>
> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>
> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>
> >> We defend your rights
> >>
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >>
> >> Taxation is theft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >>
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >> We defend your rights
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >> Taxation is theft
> >>
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> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> >
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> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
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