[Lnc-business] Enough pussyfooting. Time for a fearless platform.

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

By the way Ken, that is the vision I have for CO, to produce a good "why
liberty works and is great" piece linked to a platform position.  It is, I
think, the best of both worlds.



-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>


On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ken, Bonnie Scott had an idea like that a while ago that I really like,
> she called it I think an "accordion" approach.  And I love it.  And those
> extra materials can be very nimble and updated.
>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Trent,
>>
>> ==Our statement of principles is clear on our philosophy on governance.
>> Our platform talks about how we will implement said philosophy. I hope that
>> our platform will remain inclusive to all libertarian ideologies.  ==
>>
>> Said philosophy would necessarily entail elimination of public schools.
>> That has always been the LP stance.  Public schools necessarily entail
>> force and coercion.  Public schools nowhere fall within the pale of the
>> Statement of Principles.  And nowhere fall within the pale of a "free
>> market" in education.
>>
>> We don't craft our positions on the rights of the individuals by
>> popularity contests.  My right not to be coerced into supporting public
>> schools is the SoP position and by far one of the most consistent historic
>> views of the LP.
>>
>> Our Statement of Principles sets the boundaries for the ideological tent
>> as far as what the Party believes.  That doesn't mean people who differ or
>> who would stop somewhere shy of that are not welcome along the road but
>> that *does not mean that is the party position.*  The coercive system of
>> public schools is not an Statement of Principles compliant doctrine any
>> more than drug (not just pot) illegalization is.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>
>>> I completely agree 100% regarding party materials.  I used to have some
>>> old materials.  The stuff I had was from the early 90s and was showing its
>>> age.  I stopped using it years ago because it looked old.  Given our recent
>>> re-branding, it would probably be good to resurrect some of this material,
>>> update it, and re-publish.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should look at develops a 1/3rd page slick for each of the
>>> platform planks.  This would make for good materials for outreach booths,
>>> and the PDFs for these things could be linked from the platform page - each
>>> plank linked to each 1/3rd page slick in PDF form.  That might provide a
>>> balanced approach to avoid platform clutter, but also provide "more
>>> information" for the planks in the platform.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-01-01 21:07, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> The Party needs much more material (not in the Platform but on our site
>>> and educational materials) on why liberty is awesome and how it will
>>> benefit and prosper society.
>>>
>>> One of the complaints about some of the older Platforms was not
>>> positions, but how very LONG they were.  I have been through each and every
>>> old Platform and a good deal of it was (questionable) assertions of
>>> utilitarian outcomes that could not be nimble enough to keep up with
>>> current arguments.
>>>
>>> Platforms should not be expected to do that.  Party releases and
>>> educational materials can and should.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Arvin,
>>>>
>>>> I respect the heck out of you, and I agree with many points you have
>>>> outlined below.  Because I've been negative enough for today, while
>>>> ironically (and perhaps, hypocritically) preaching a message of positivity,
>>>> I'm going to switch up and look to expand upon the things on which we agree.
>>>>
>>>> We do need to be bold with solutions.  We have big problems, and people
>>>> want bold solutions.
>>>>
>>>> I'd personally like to focus on things like the DEA's recent
>>>> reclassification of CBD, potentially in violation of federal law.  The DEA
>>>> is taking medicine away from children.  We should be shouting about this
>>>> from the rooftops.  And yes, we can push further; not repeal the stupid
>>>> regulation, but end the DEA.  It's obvious they can't be trusted, nor are
>>>> they working within their own mandate.  They're working against the will of
>>>> the majority of Americans on a number of issues, and now they have the
>>>> audacity to take medicine away from children? Ending the DEA will mean that
>>>> people are more free, and that some government agency isn't dictating
>>>> policy based upon the desires of special interest groups from 3000 miles
>>>> away.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to focus on things like Syria.  Especially since Johnson
>>>> "flubbed" it, we need to show the world that Libertarians do, indeed,
>>>> understand foreign policy. We don't want our country to be tinkering in the
>>>> affairs of other nations, just like we don't want other nations tinkering
>>>> with our internal affairs.  This should ring true to all anti-war
>>>> activists, as well as these people who think Russia interfered with our
>>>> elections. It's a simple concept; leave people alone and they leave you
>>>> alone.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to focus on massively downsizing the military.  Other
>>>> countries spend their tax dollars on perks for their citizens while the
>>>> American taxpayer is forced to pay the bill for defense of those other
>>>> countries.  Ridiculous.  With $19T in debt, we simply cannot provide free
>>>> defense for half the nations in the world.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to see an update on Harry Browne's plan to phase out social
>>>> security.  It was one of the things that hooked me into the party; a real
>>>> workable solution.
>>>>
>>>> Let's talk about the banking system.  Let's talk about corporate
>>>> bailouts.  Let's talk about HHS, the Fed.  Absolutely we need to talk about
>>>> these things.
>>>>
>>>> And in doing all of that, we need to explain how things will be better
>>>> if our ideas win the day.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-01-01 20:43, Arvin Vohra wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all -
>>>>
>>>> Consider Trump's trajectory. He went from a person with unpopular
>>>> positions to being the President. He even used some Libertarian positions
>>>> to his advantage - particularly positions we've been too chicken to be very
>>>> open about. For example, he argued vociferously against NATO, a position
>>>> that wise Libertarians in the past have said is too hard line to present to
>>>> the public.
>>>>
>>>> His unusual positions allowed him to dominate news cycles. He would say
>>>> something offensive, and then let the news cover him. During that coverage,
>>>> he had opportunities to convince people.
>>>>
>>>> Clinton, on the other hand, despite every possible advantage, lost the
>>>> battle of ideas, largely because she did not present any for people to
>>>> love, hate, or notice.
>>>>
>>>> Our job is to fight for our ideas. The first phase of that will always
>>>> be resistance. The post that Ken mentions gives us plenty of data. The
>>>> first: people are comparing private babysitter rates to public school
>>>> rates. In other words, they haven't imagined the price of large group
>>>> babysitting for kids who an already walk and talk and dress ourselves.
>>>>
>>>> It also shows us that people have inaccurate ideas about what degrees
>>>> confer, and what substitutes exist. This lets us refine our message. It
>>>> lets us understand what people need to hear to change their views.
>>>>
>>>> The key point is, if we are not meeting resistance, it just means we're
>>>> being ignored. But if people start debates, we can inform, challenge, and
>>>> persuade.
>>>>
>>>> Our platform isn't inviting a debate we can win. It's inviting no
>>>> debate at all.
>>>>
>>>> The one thing Libertarians are good at: arguing. Even at convincing,
>>>> despite stereotypes to the contrary.
>>>>
>>>> Let's argue with people about eliminating public schools. Or massively
>>>> downsizing the miltary. Or leaving NATO. Or shutting down HHS. Hell, or
>>>> even Ending the Fed. Let's advocate the right positions, even the currently
>>>> unpopular ones, to make them popular.
>>>>
>>>> I know many Libertarians are hoping to use a kind of "slowly boil the
>>>> frog" tactic. That works when you have the military industrial complex,
>>>> teachers unions, and federal worker unions on your side. It doesn't work as
>>>> well when your opponent in the one with the resources.
>>>>
>>>> When we are too soft, we end up confusing people about our basics. The
>>>> fact that people are surprised that Libertarians want to end public schools
>>>> indicates that our platform is not working. The fact that many don't know
>>>> that we oppose welfare, they are equally surprised and angered by that,
>>>> shows that our platform is not doing its job.
>>>>
>>>> Our platform must be clear, comprehensible, and, when necessary,
>>>> controversial. Let's write a platform that can dominate some news cycles,
>>>> that will invite discussion and debate, and will, at the very least,
>>>> accurately educate people about the LIbertarian message.
>>>>
>>>> -Arvin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I read the Facebook page daily. And without commenting on that post,
>>>>> we have similar comments to ALL posts.  There are also positive comments on
>>>>> that post that you seem to be ignoring (again, I'm not choosing to argue
>>>>> about that post but about how FB goes in general - I spend hours and hours
>>>>> a week on the national FB page - I tend to think I know what I am talking
>>>>> about.).
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, I still think rabbit trailing this discussion is
>>>>> inappropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> *No is advocating being offensive in the platform.* That is a red
>>>>> herring and I think incredibly disrespectful to the intent of the email
>>>>> chain starter when you can easily start your own on this particular topic.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not different at all.  Wording matters.  Words matter.  I chose
>>>>>> to focus on this Facebook post because it makes my point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our platform can have the same effect.  The words we choose really do
>>>>>> matter.  That's my entire point.  I have no issue with being consistent,
>>>>>> even bold, in our platform.  What I do worry about is HOW it is conveyed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a thing within the broader libertarian circles on trying to
>>>>>> "out-libertarian" other libertarians, and often this turns into a "I'm such
>>>>>> a libertarian, I think we should ______" where the process of filling in
>>>>>> the blank spirals downward into the realm of the most ridiculous and most
>>>>>> offensive way of saying things.  I call this the "libertarian dick-size
>>>>>> contest".  It is extremely counter-productive. It drives away potential
>>>>>> future members - people who only need a little coaching to see the light -
>>>>>> because someone wanted to prove how hardcore they are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not saying that this was the impetus behind the particular
>>>>>> Facebook post.  In fact, I don't really think it was, in this case. But it
>>>>>> can be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I strongly encourage everyone to go read the comments on this
>>>>>> Facebook post, on our official Facebook page, and see how words really do
>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/libertarians/posts/10154865568037726
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some highlights in reaction simply in labeling public school teachers
>>>>>> "babysitters" prove my point.  That one idea - that one concept - of
>>>>>> calling them "babysitters" has elicited some pretty legitimate backlash.
>>>>>> Here are some highlights:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *"This has to be communicated in a less confrontational way. I taught
>>>>>> with some excellent teachers who did everything they could to help their
>>>>>> students succeed. I also taught with some lazy incompetents. The post reads
>>>>>> as though teachers are universally bad, which isn't the case."*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *"I'm a Libertarian, and a public school teacher. You just spit on
>>>>>> every hard working teacher like me."*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *"To label the teacher as a babysitter is a crushing disservice. The
>>>>>> problem is that the system is trying to turn our teachers into babysitters.
>>>>>> Privatizing education is a big and interesting idea, but I agree with the
>>>>>> statement that it should be communicated more effectively and not at the
>>>>>> insult of dedicated and hardworking educators."*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Words matter.  One word, one concept, has unnecessarily elicited a
>>>>>> ton of negative feedback.  And again, that's my point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2017-01-01 19:47, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that is a different subject than this thread or the thread
>>>>>> starter's intention so I will not rabbit trail this one.  You might wish to
>>>>>> start another discussion out of respect for the discussion at hand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How we frame discussions and the words we use do actually matter.
>>>>>>> And beyond that, it does a significant disservice to our party and our
>>>>>>> platform to be jerks to people by broadly classifying them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll again point out that there are public school teachers who could
>>>>>>> become Libertarians.  If we push them away by attacking them, rather than
>>>>>>> the broader system, then they won't.  Because someone decided we needed to
>>>>>>> call public school teachers "babysitters" yet again, I'd like to reiterate
>>>>>>> my point by directly quoting the words of a commenter on the post...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *As a public school teacher, I don't particularly care for the
>>>>>>> current public education system. As a concept, I'm not sure how I feel
>>>>>>> about public education. However, to suggest that we public school educators
>>>>>>> are incompetent is not only false, it's fucking insulting. I'd be willing
>>>>>>> to bet that most of the people who trash us, including the party's vice
>>>>>>> chair, haven't been in a K-12 classroom since they graduated high school.
>>>>>>> Basically what I'm trying to say is that until you have some experience in
>>>>>>> the modern classroom - and I mean actually observing it instead of picking
>>>>>>> up your kids on the curb or walking into the office to pick them up - you
>>>>>>> should probably take your criticism of educators and shove it into the
>>>>>>> deepest part of your ass.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This person, assuming they're writing in good faith, is a public
>>>>>>> school teacher like some of the ones I know.  They don't like the current
>>>>>>> state of public education.  They're open to new ideas.  But, we decided to
>>>>>>> denigrate them and call them "babysitters".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are people out there being actively repulsed because of what
>>>>>>> is being said in the name of the party.  Maybe someone really does hate
>>>>>>> public school teachers.  Okay.  But is that the message we want to convey
>>>>>>> as a party?  The Libertarian Party has no respect public school teachers?
>>>>>>> Because that's what the post says, and the reaction quoted above is the
>>>>>>> result.  A potential member, a potential new libertarian, has been repulsed
>>>>>>> because someone has decided that "public school teachers" are just
>>>>>>> "babysitters".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not making this idea up. And this is not the only instance. This
>>>>>>> is just the most-recent example of the broader problem.  The words we
>>>>>>> choose to use do, in fact, matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2017-01-01 18:27, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that is done through explaining our Platform not by watering it
>>>>>>> down or turning the core document into the Libertarian equivalent of
>>>>>>> seeker-sensitive churches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being seeker sensitive is indeed our job - as individual
>>>>>>> communicators - in varying tailored situations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But for that to work, the foundation must be clear solid and
>>>>>>> unabashedly clear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One can build many different kinds of buildings for different
>>>>>>> purposes for different peoples and uses - but it is all for naught without
>>>>>>> a solid foundation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 4:22 PM Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think we should ever advocate anything against our
>>>>>>>> principles. However, I also think there's value in paying attention to how
>>>>>>>> things are packaged.  "Marketing" is a thing, because it has value.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not always what you say, but how you say it, that matters.
>>>>>>>> Half of the time, in politics, there's a fight over the language in the
>>>>>>>> debate because language helps set the context, which can and does
>>>>>>>> effect the outcome of the policy issue.  A great example of this is
>>>>>>>> "illegal immigrant" versus "undocumented worker".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another example:  A recent Facebook post by the LP Facebook Page
>>>>>>>> called teachers "babysitters".  As one who has worked with some school
>>>>>>>> public teachers on the Common Core issue, this didn't sit well with me at
>>>>>>>> all.  There are good teachers out there; teachers we can help see the light
>>>>>>>> and flip to our side. But when our official party social media outlet
>>>>>>>> denigrates all teachers (and ironically, falling into a collectivist trap
>>>>>>>> by calling all public school teachers "babysitters") it turns people away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The goal of the Libertarian Party is, in part, to spread
>>>>>>>> libertarianism and convert more people to it.  We can't do that if we're
>>>>>>>> actively pushing people away, whether intentionally or unintentionally.  We
>>>>>>>> must consider our words carefully.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My favorite "libertarian" platform of all time was the Boston Tea
>>>>>>>> Party's platform. It was simple and to the point.  "We support
>>>>>>>> reducing the size, scope and power of government at all levels and on all
>>>>>>>> issues, and oppose increasing the size, scope and power of government at
>>>>>>>> any level, for any purpose."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even this "extreme" platform from the former BTP is acceptable to
>>>>>>>> people who work for government.  Everyone in government knows there's bloat
>>>>>>>> and waste.  From the local level, where land swap deals and favoritism
>>>>>>>> reign supreme; to the state level, where bureaucracy exists primarily to
>>>>>>>> perpetuate itself; to the Federal level, where the elected officials engage
>>>>>>>> in a show for the people while the bureaucracy runs the show.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We must espouse our philosophy in a way that helps people see the
>>>>>>>> light.  Not all people come to the LP overnight.  The ones I call "the
>>>>>>>> light switchers" -- the ones that woke up one day, the light went on, and
>>>>>>>> they realized they were libertarians -- are a good-sized chunk of our
>>>>>>>> membership.  And that's fine.  But for the other people -- the ones who,
>>>>>>>> like me, spent years of soul searching and rectifying core beliefs into
>>>>>>>> logical consistency -- we need to help the on that journey. We need to
>>>>>>>> bring them along.  They will come.  I've switched a number of people in my
>>>>>>>> life using this method.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's my $0.02.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2017-01-01 16:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attached is David Nolan's Condensed Version from 1977.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But in more serious tones, I echo everything Arvin said.  Hiding
>>>>>>>> the ball doesn't fool those those hate our ball - hidden or not -  and only
>>>>>>>> frustrates though that are just dying to find it.  I am not ashamed of what
>>>>>>>> we believe and drastic societal/economic/political change is accomplished
>>>>>>>> by clear bold principled stands.  No one goes to the metaphorical stocks
>>>>>>>> for an uninspiring lawyered-up vision.  We favour the complete and utter
>>>>>>>> separate of _______ and state. (you can put nearly anything in there - and
>>>>>>>> certainly with Arvin's position -  education and state).    I personally
>>>>>>>> love what CO did - set forth clear principled stands but made it clear that
>>>>>>>> we would support any true step to liberty (i.e. we are not "all or nothing"
>>>>>>>> - we will take what we can get and then continue to press for the prize):
>>>>>>>> From CO:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Implementation*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We support any measure that actually reduces, and does not replace,
>>>>>>>>  illegitimate governmental action or violations of the rights of the
>>>>>>>> individual as put forth in our Preamble and Statement of Principles. While
>>>>>>>> recognizing that change often takes the form of increments and transitions,
>>>>>>>> the policies in the planks that follow are to be taken as quickly as
>>>>>>>> possible. (the "and does not replace" is a recommendation of this year's
>>>>>>>> LPCO Platform committee).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For every somewhat committed person we think we are gaining  by
>>>>>>>> disguising our principled positions (and I believe the next two years will
>>>>>>>> show that is not the case) I hear form multiple "all in" people who say
>>>>>>>> this is the last chance they are giving the LP. They have had it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In any event, head counting and popularity tests fail when it comes
>>>>>>>> to an ideological movement.   Principles. Clear principles are the only
>>>>>>>> thing that is sure.  Our founders knew that which is why they implanted the
>>>>>>>> Statement of Principles with a depth charge, and I thank them for it.  If
>>>>>>>> the Party itself balks at stating what we believe we can't expect anyone
>>>>>>>> else to buy what we are saying.  The storekeep must be willing to sample
>>>>>>>> his own wares.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am now in favour of Sam's suggestion since Bittner opposes it.
>>>>>>>>  #NeverBittner
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I am a fan of that, I like a bit more specificity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The State: Boo, hiss
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was floated in a group I belong to.  We opted for something more
>>>>>>>> detailed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Nolan's abbreviated platform was quite nice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>>>>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will suggested my 2004 platform revision that I presented
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at the Platform Committee meeting prior to the Atlanta
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Convention:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Replace the entire platform with two sentences:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We don't like government.  Let's get rid of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AMEN!!'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I make the same commitment as Arvin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:36 PM Whitney Bilyeu <
>>>>>>>> whitneycb76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If 2016 showed us one thing, it's that timid positions are neither
>>>>>>>> necessary nor effective in current politics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our current platform is designed to technically be accurate, while
>>>>>>>> not scaring anyone too badly. This is a losing proposition. A clear,
>>>>>>>> inspiring, and immediately comprehensible platform is far better than the
>>>>>>>> fine-print pretending to be marketing we have now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take the education plank, for example:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Education is best provided by the free market, achieving greater
>>>>>>>> quality, accountability and efficiency with more diversity of choice.
>>>>>>>> Recognizing that the education of children is a parental responsibility, we
>>>>>>>> would restore authority to parents to determine the education of their
>>>>>>>> children, without interference from government. Parents should have control
>>>>>>>> of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children's education.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What it means: Eliminate all public schools. Let people choose
>>>>>>>> between free, world-class, online offerings, homeschooling, and private
>>>>>>>> education in any form.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Intransigent supporters of public schools won't be fooled by the
>>>>>>>> current obfuscation. Opponents and potential opponents won't be inspired.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our job is to convince people of our positions, not to mask our
>>>>>>>> positions and pander. In order for people to be able to be convinced of our
>>>>>>>> positions, they first must understand what the position is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I intend to support people for platform committee who will commit
>>>>>>>> to an honest, comprehensible, fearless platform.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vice Chair
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.VoteVohra.com
>>>>>>>> VoteVohra at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> (301) 320-3634
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>>
>>>> www.VoteVohra.com
>>>> VoteVohra at gmail.com
>>>> (301) 320-3634
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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