[Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Enough pussyfooting. Time for a fearless platform.

Mon Jan 2 01:41:07 EST 2017

Starchild,

==I think incremental steps toward freedom are completely appropriate for
us to advocate, as long as they are moving in the right direction and* as
long as we are not trying to downplay or hide our ultimate goals.==*

Yes indeed.

And I agree with your distinction on the word "public" but that is not how
it is being used.

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>     This is an example of why I like the 4-part format of the 2004
> Libertarian Party Platform (viewable at http://www.lpedia.org/2004_Lib
> ertarian_Party_Platform ) in which each plank is divided into the
> following sections:
>
> 1. The issue
> 2. The principle
> 3. Solutions
> 4. Transitional action
>
>      While the 4-part format doesn't guarantee the delegates won't add
> soft-pedaling/marketing type language to the Platform (I can't think of
> anything that realistically *could *guarantee that will never happen), it
> does provide a little more guarantee that both the libertarian principle
> applicable to each plank, and a description of the fully non-aggression
> based solution(s) we ultimately want, will be explicitly stated.
>
>      Ideally, once sections 2 and 3 of a plank ("The principle" and
> "Solutions") were adopted, they would require a strong super-majority to
> change, because those sections shouldn't need revisiting much. The
> description of the problem ("The issue"), on the other hand, could be
> expected to change more frequently in order to keep our platform current on
> political and technological changes; likewise the "Transitional action"
> section.
>
>      Indeed, as long as sections 2 and 3 were "clear, inspiring, and
> immediately comprehensible" (as Arvin stated), I would not be opposed to
> having more nuanced language in section 4 ("Transitional action") along the
> lines of* "We favor the following steps to facilitate a completely
> private school system to give parents maximum choice, students the most
> useful/current education and schools the best environment for
> innovation..."* (to use Larry's example)*. I think incremental steps
> toward freedom are completely appropriate for us to advocate, as long as
> they are moving in the right direction and* as long as we are not trying
> to downplay or hide our ultimate goals.*
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                              (415) 625-FREE
>                                @StarchildSF
>
> *If we were crafting actual language, I would prefer to distinguish
> between "government schools" and "independent schools", rather than "public
> schools" and "private schools", since I think one can have a "public
> school", "public restaurant", etc. (i.e. a facility that serves the
> public), without it being owned or operated by government. Governments have
> been allowed to wrongfully monopolize the word "public", and in my view it
> is a term worth reclaiming.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lnc-votes at hq.lp.org
> Sent: Jan 1, 2017 8:09 PM
> To: Libertarian National Committee list
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Enough pussyfooting. Time for a
> fearless platform.
>
> Spin-doctoring doesn't belong in a Platform.  People are not the shrinking
> violets we tend to paternalistically assume them to be.  Which paternalism
> is ironic.
>
> I am very glad the authors of our Statement of Principles didn't take that
> approach.  I believe we would not have the backbone today to write "We, the
> members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent
> state and defend the rights of the individual."
>
> *I think heads might explode.*
>
> Today we might have "We the people of the Libertarian Party, promise not
> to say anything that would challenge anyone too badly, and will sugarcoat
> our words because while we can take it, you must be coddled."
>
> Neither did the men who founded this country in their protests against
> rights violations.
>
> We aren't going to out-sugarcoast the spin machines of the R&D.
>
> People want, and can handle, the honest and plain truth of rights.
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com> wrote:
>
>> We can't have both fearlessness and marketing?
>>
>> As an example:
>>
>> Instead of - Eliminate all public schools
>>    *Mainstream Americans assumes NO EDUCATION for their kids and shuts us
>> off, and media ridicules and ignore us.
>> How about - Facilitate a completely private school system to give parents
>> maximum choice, students the most useful/current education and schools the
>> best environment for innovation.
>>    *Mainstream Americans and the Media curtly ask, "How?"  And now we
>> have a chance at a real conversation and therefore real converts.
>>
>> Caryn Ann - I hope your head didn't just explode. :)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If 2016 showed us one thing, it's that timid positions are neither
>>> necessary nor effective in current politics.
>>>
>>> Our current platform is designed to technically be accurate, while not
>>> scaring anyone too badly. This is a losing proposition. A clear, inspiring,
>>> and immediately comprehensible platform is far better than the fine-print
>>> pretending to be marketing we have now.
>>>
>>> Take the education plank, for example:
>>>
>>> Education is best provided by the free market, achieving greater
>>> quality, accountability and efficiency with more diversity of choice.
>>> Recognizing that the education of children is a parental responsibility, we
>>> would restore authority to parents to determine the education of their
>>> children, without interference from government. Parents should have control
>>> of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children’s education.
>>>
>>>
>>> What it means: Eliminate all public schools. Let people choose between
>>> free, world-class, online offerings, homeschooling, and private education
>>> in any form.
>>>
>>> Intransigent supporters of public schools won't be fooled by the current
>>> obfuscation. Opponents and potential opponents won't be inspired.
>>>
>>> Our job is to convince people of our positions, not to mask our
>>> positions and pander. In order for people to be able to be convinced of our
>>> positions, they first must understand what the position is.
>>>
>>> I intend to support people for platform committee who will commit to an
>>> honest, comprehensible, fearless platform.
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>>
>>> Arvin Vohra
>>> Vice Chair
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Larry
>>
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>>
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>
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> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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