[Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Enough pussyfooting. Time for a fearless platform.
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Mon Jan 2 01:57:35 EST 2017
Starchild, I do not disagree, but it is impossible to use it without
serious clarification. For instance, Trent today posted a poll in which it
was asked if public schools were compatible with the Statement of
Principles. I almost answered "not in their current form" because I too
can use the word public in that way. But I know how most people do, and if
we are not clear, people will import the meaning of "force funded and
compulsory" into it, which is in no way consistent with our Statement of
Principles.
But open to the public? Serving the public? Absolutely. And I think in a
libertarian society most schools would be "public" in that sense.
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> * "I agree with your distinction on the word 'public' but that is not how
> it is being used." *
> True enough, Caryn Ann. But that is true of other terms we use, such
> as "aggression" (most people do not use this term to encompass things like
> involuntary taxes and seatbelt laws). Just as we shouldn't back away from
> libertarian ideas because they are unpopular, neither should we back away
> from better libertarian terminology just because it is not (yet)
> widespread. In my opinion, of course.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Caryn Ann Harlos
> Sent: Jan 1, 2017 10:41 PM
> To: Starchild , Libertarian National Committee list
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Enough pussyfooting. Time for a
> fearless platform.
>
> Starchild,
>
> ==I think incremental steps toward freedom are completely appropriate for
> us to advocate, as long as they are moving in the right direction and* as
> long as we are not trying to downplay or hide our ultimate goals.==*
>
> Yes indeed.
>
> And I agree with your distinction on the word "public" but that is not how
> it is being used.
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> This is an example of why I like the 4-part format of the 2004
>> Libertarian Party Platform (viewable at http://www.lpedia.org/2004_Lib
>> ertarian_Party_Platform ) in which each plank is divided into the
>> following sections:
>>
>> 1. The issue
>> 2. The principle
>> 3. Solutions
>> 4. Transitional action
>>
>> While the 4-part format doesn't guarantee the delegates won't add
>> soft-pedaling/marketing type language to the Platform (I can't think of
>> anything that realistically *could *guarantee that will never happen),
>> it does provide a little more guarantee that both the libertarian principle
>> applicable to each plank, and a description of the fully non-aggression
>> based solution(s) we ultimately want, will be explicitly stated.
>>
>> Ideally, once sections 2 and 3 of a plank ("The principle" and
>> "Solutions") were adopted, they would require a strong super-majority to
>> change, because those sections shouldn't need revisiting much. The
>> description of the problem ("The issue"), on the other hand, could be
>> expected to change more frequently in order to keep our platform current on
>> political and technological changes; likewise the "Transitional action"
>> section.
>>
>> Indeed, as long as sections 2 and 3 were "clear, inspiring, and
>> immediately comprehensible" (as Arvin stated), I would not be opposed to
>> having more nuanced language in section 4 ("Transitional action") along the
>> lines of* "We favor the following steps to facilitate a completely
>> private school system to give parents maximum choice, students the most
>> useful/current education and schools the best environment for
>> innovation..."* (to use Larry's example)*. I think incremental steps
>> toward freedom are completely appropriate for us to advocate, as long as
>> they are moving in the right direction and* as long as we are not trying
>> to downplay or hide our ultimate goals.*
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>> *If we were crafting actual language, I would prefer to distinguish
>> between "government schools" and "independent schools", rather than "public
>> schools" and "private schools", since I think one can have a "public
>> school", "public restaurant", etc. (i.e. a facility that serves the
>> public), without it being owned or operated by government. Governments have
>> been allowed to wrongfully monopolize the word "public", and in my view it
>> is a term worth reclaiming.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lnc-votes at hq.lp.org
>> Sent: Jan 1, 2017 8:09 PM
>> To: Libertarian National Committee list
>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Enough pussyfooting. Time for a
>> fearless platform.
>>
>> Spin-doctoring doesn't belong in a Platform. People are not the
>> shrinking violets we tend to paternalistically assume them to be. Which
>> paternalism is ironic.
>>
>> I am very glad the authors of our Statement of Principles didn't take
>> that approach. I believe we would not have the backbone today to write
>> "We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the
>> omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual."
>>
>> *I think heads might explode.*
>>
>> Today we might have "We the people of the Libertarian Party, promise not
>> to say anything that would challenge anyone too badly, and will sugarcoat
>> our words because while we can take it, you must be coddled."
>>
>> Neither did the men who founded this country in their protests against
>> rights violations.
>>
>> We aren't going to out-sugarcoast the spin machines of the R&D.
>>
>> People want, and can handle, the honest and plain truth of rights.
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We can't have both fearlessness and marketing?
>>>
>>> As an example:
>>>
>>> Instead of - Eliminate all public schools
>>> *Mainstream Americans assumes NO EDUCATION for their kids and shuts
>>> us off, and media ridicules and ignore us.
>>> How about - Facilitate a completely private school system to give
>>> parents maximum choice, students the most useful/current education and
>>> schools the best environment for innovation.
>>> *Mainstream Americans and the Media curtly ask, "How?" And now we
>>> have a chance at a real conversation and therefore real converts.
>>>
>>> Caryn Ann - I hope your head didn't just explode. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If 2016 showed us one thing, it's that timid positions are neither
>>>> necessary nor effective in current politics.
>>>>
>>>> Our current platform is designed to technically be accurate, while not
>>>> scaring anyone too badly. This is a losing proposition. A clear, inspiring,
>>>> and immediately comprehensible platform is far better than the fine-print
>>>> pretending to be marketing we have now.
>>>>
>>>> Take the education plank, for example:
>>>>
>>>> Education is best provided by the free market, achieving greater
>>>> quality, accountability and efficiency with more diversity of choice.
>>>> Recognizing that the education of children is a parental responsibility, we
>>>> would restore authority to parents to determine the education of their
>>>> children, without interference from government. Parents should have control
>>>> of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children’s education.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What it means: Eliminate all public schools. Let people choose between
>>>> free, world-class, online offerings, homeschooling, and private education
>>>> in any form.
>>>>
>>>> Intransigent supporters of public schools won't be fooled by the
>>>> current obfuscation. Opponents and potential opponents won't be inspired.
>>>>
>>>> Our job is to convince people of our positions, not to mask our
>>>> positions and pander. In order for people to be able to be convinced of our
>>>> positions, they first must understand what the position is.
>>>>
>>>> I intend to support people for platform committee who will commit to an
>>>> honest, comprehensible, fearless platform.
>>>>
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>
>>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>> Vice Chair
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
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>>>> VoteVohra at gmail.com
>>>> (301) 320-3634
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
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>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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