[Lnc-business] Motion:

Mon Jan 9 14:23:35 EST 2017

Sam, I brought that up to Ken earlier, and yes that is something to be
addressed.  There should be no information in the hands of the committee
that is confidential in nature.

-Caryn Ann

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Please explain how, in #7, non-LNC members of this committee are getting
> access to
> information in the possession of the committee
> that apparently is  confidential in nature.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
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> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> There have been changes on that documents - can committee members please
>> review.
>>
>> -  Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you David.  I hope to get wording worked on that will work for
>>> nearly everyone.
>>>
>>> I suggested changes to address Tim's objections.  I guessed where Daniel
>>> was having an issue and suggested a change there.
>>>
>>> No one is married to the wording here - we want to get something passed.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:37 PM, David Demarest <
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will co-sponsor the Historical Preservation Committee and document
>>>> storage motion after all co-sponsors agree on the wording of the motion. I
>>>> have no re-wording suggestions at the moment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>
>>>> LNC Region 6 Representative
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Tim Hagan
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 10:09 PM
>>>> *To:* Libertarian National Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Motion:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, that sounds good to me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>; Libertarian National
>>>> Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:05 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Motion:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ken has reopened the link for discussion and comments.  It is a
>>>> collaborative document.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15PTl9Ns-S7MwNs1HwrgTx8kq
>>>> n-bXkJSsvrsXmpaYBhk/edit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim, I am suggesting that change to number 7.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Daniel, Ken put up the document a few days before and was ignored
>>>> except by Joshua and Starchild.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Would you like to go back to working on it? Will you commit to doing so?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Explain the back door on the transparency issue because I'm not seeing
>>>> it.  This refers to public records.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *For number 1, why shouldn't the costs for document storage be part of
>>>> the annual budgeting, like everything else?*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim do you have a proposed change that would cure that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *In number 7, the vote should be done outside of executive session. The
>>>> Policy Manual states, "No action can be taken while in Executive Session.
>>>> Discussion of action which may be taken in Open Session can occur."*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Would this cure that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 7. Ensure that any document that would qualify for discussion under the
>>>> rules of executive session for the LNC, as outlined under Section 1.02(5),
>>>> remains private until such time that the Executive Committee, or the entire
>>>> LNC votes in the affirmative to make that information public.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In number 7, the vote should be done outside of executive session. The
>>>> Policy Manual states, "No action can be taken while in Executive Session.
>>>> Discussion of action which may be taken in Open Session can occur."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For number 1, why shouldn't the costs for document storage be part of
>>>> the annual budgeting, like everything else?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>> *To:* Lnc Business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 5:56 PM
>>>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Motion:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The following is a motion seeking a sponsor and co-sponsors, to create
>>>> the Historic Preservation Committee, tasked with preserving and publishing
>>>> all historical documents of the Party.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Add a line item to chart in subsection 1 of section 1.03 of the Policy
>>>> Manual, which reads (column name in italics):*
>>>>
>>>> *(Committee name)* Historic Preservation Committee
>>>> *(Size)* Two (2) LNC Members or Alternates, plus up to five (5)
>>>> non-LNC members.
>>>> *(Member Selection)* LNC Members or Alternates selected by LNC.
>>>> Non-LNC members selected by the committee, which shall be accepted unless
>>>> objected to by a majority of the LNC within 14 days of notification.
>>>> *(Chair Selection)* * Committee Selected
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Create a new subsection under section 2.02 of the Policy Manual, which
>>>> reads:*
>>>>
>>>> x) Historic Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> The goal of the Historic Preservation Committee is to preserve
>>>> historical documents of the party.  To that end, the committee shall:
>>>> 1. With the assistance of staff and the Secretary, maintain all
>>>> physical historic information in a safe and climate controlled environment.
>>>> Any costs for document storage shall be presented to the LNC and shall be
>>>> accepted unless objected to by the majority of the entire LNC within 14
>>>> days.
>>>> 2. With the assistance of staff and the Secretary, collect all public
>>>> electronic records.
>>>> 3. With the assistance of the IT Committee and staff, provide and
>>>> maintain a permanent public document archive in the form of a
>>>> publicly-viewable website which is separate from the Party’s primary
>>>> website.
>>>> 4. Make a good faith effort to preserve and publish all historical
>>>> documents, and transform physical documents into electronic format toward
>>>> that end.
>>>> 5. Vote to recommend the destruction of any original document, or
>>>> document for which no other copy is available. No such document shall be
>>>> destroyed without the consent of the LNC, as outlined in Section 2.07(x).
>>>> 6. At each LNC meeting, present a summary of physical document
>>>> preservation mechanisms currently being utilized, and the number of
>>>> documents preserved in electronic format.
>>>> 7. Ensure that any document that would qualify for discussion under the
>>>> rules of executive session for the LNC, as outlined under Section 1.02(5),
>>>> remains private until such time that the Executive Committee, or the entire
>>>> LNC, meeting in executive session, votes in the affirmative to make that
>>>> information public.
>>>> 8. Within one business day, inform the LNC of any committee
>>>> appointments.
>>>> 9. Publicly announce and permit a public audience for all meetings,
>>>> other than those meetings held for the explicit purpose of discussing
>>>> historic items that would qualify for Executive Session.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing listed in the responsibilities, powers, or scope of this
>>>> Committee shall be construed to prevent or circumvent the normal operation
>>>> of the Party’s main website or to interfere in the duties of the Secretary
>>>> as mandated by the Party Bylaws or this Policy Manual.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Create a new subsection under section 2.07 of the Policy Manual, which
>>>> reads:*
>>>>
>>>> (x) All agendas, public meeting minutes, and public records of the
>>>> Party shall be made available to the Historic Preservation Committee.  No
>>>> data shall be deleted or destroyed without a vote in the affirmative by no
>>>> less than two-thirds of the entire LNC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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