[Lnc-business] April LNC meeting location - David's motion

[Starchild]

	I think we're still waiting for Nick to respond to the concerns we raised (see thread below). 

	And I realize that I forgot David had offered a motion regarding the meeting. I will co-sponsor, David.

Love & Liberty,
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On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:

> So is the decision final for PA?  And Pittsburgh?  I need to make arrangements with my work which depend on my flight schedule.
> 
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> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
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On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:33 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:

> I agree with you David.  I would co-sponsor but I have no time to wordsmith unfortunately.
> 
> The self-funded sacrificial travel costs of over 15 persons (and what affiliates have been neglected) should be considered.
> 
> Two on the east side is not fair.  Perhaps the Region 1 alternate could come this time if we didn't require across the country travel?  Alternates closer can attend easily now two meetings giving those regions two voices- due to distance - Region 1 is at a disadvantage.
> 
> -Caryn Ann
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:19 AM David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
> I have absolutely no concerns about Nick's and Robert's abilities to make a
> wise decision (or recommendation) on the meeting location. I also understand
> the need for a reasonably prompt location decision so we can get on with
> travel and lodging arrangements. However, in addition to Starchild's
> legitimate transparency concerns on proposal specifics, this top-down
> approach makes a mockery of asking LNC members where they would like to hold
> meetings. It suggests that meeting location criteria are driven primarily by
> LNC staff preferences and travel costs paid from the LNC budget rather than
> LNC member preferences and self-funded travel expenses. Further, I strongly
> suspect that some LNC member location suggestions were expediently ignored
> because no 2020/22 convention cost and suitability information had been
> gathered for those locations.
> 
> I would add that the essence of Libertarianism is to empower our leaders to
> lead by example rather than the expediency of exercising authority. That is
> not Nick's fault. We LNC members are to blame if we cave in to the
> temptation to default our responsibilities to Nick when not appropriate and
> put Nick in a lose-lose dilemma. Nick handles it well but it is unfair to
> both Nick and the full complement of LNC members. I would agree that the
> meeting location is not a high-priority issue. Nevertheless, it presents an
> excellent opportunity to set an example by empowering LNC members to select
> meeting locations. Or we can call this discussion nitpicking and continue
> our top-down failings that fly in the face of our criticisms of the broken
> two-party system.
> 
> 
> I offer the following motion:
> 
> "Hold a simple LNC email write-in approval vote to narrow down our personal
> meeting location preferences followed by a second simple approval vote on
> the top 3 to 5 choices considering the astute finance and logistics
> recommendations by Robert and Nick."
> 
> Robert and Nick, thank you for your location research diligence, wise
> recommendations and ability to shoulder our defaulted responsibilities. The
> above motion could be simplified to one approval email vote if sufficient
> location cost and site suitability details and recommendations were
> available. Any interest in co-sponsoring this motion? If so, who would like
> to wordsmith this motion into the proper language? Or, do we want to move on
> to more critical LNC issues and address the meeting location selection
> method at a more convenient time?
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> 
> ~David Pratt Demarest
> Region 6 LNC Representative
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Starchild
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 7:52 PM
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] April LNC Meeting location
> 
>         So what IS the proposal, Nick? May we see the full terms? You
> present this as if a decision has already been made. Isn't it up to the full
> LNC to decide where to meet? To be clear, I have no pre-existing objection
> to Pittsburgh or preference for another location. I am simply concerned
> about process.
> 
>         Has any effort been made to use official communications (email,
> direct mail, website, LP News, Facebook, etc.) to let our membership know
> that we're looking for free or low-cost venues suitable for an LNC meeting?
> 
> Love & Liberty,
> 
>                                    ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>                                   @StarchildSF
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark wrote:
> 
> > Dear All,
> 
> > Robert Kraus has done some excellent work getting proposals from
> > numerous locations around the country, some that would be suitable for
> > a potential 2020/22 convention, others not.  Based on a combination of
> > overall cost, accessibility, site suitability, and having a meeting
> > where we haven't lately, it came down to Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, or
> > Oklahoma City.
> 
> > Of the three, Pittsburgh had the best overall proposal, so I intend to
> > have Robert negotiate a contract for the April meeting to be held in
> > Pittsburgh at the Wyndham Grand Pittsburgh.  Indianapolis was overly
> > costly on the venue side and Oklahoma City overly costly on the travel
> > side.
> 
> > Don't purchase tickets or make reservations until Robert has final
> > details.  Also, there will likely be a hotel/meeting space tour,
> > either on Friday prior to the meeting or on Saturday or Sunday after
> > the meeting.
> 
> > Yours in liberty,
> 
> > Nick

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