[Lnc-business] LNC blogging / LP News columns

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I think this is better discussed in person, but I am generally in favour.
Frankly what comes out sometimes has been sanitized to death and we have
become a bit sterile, and not the vibrant passion-filed wildfire to liberty
I see in our historical documents.  This isn't meant as a criticism, it is
I think natural.  And I think we have to consciously go back to the
vanguard voice.

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This topic came up, if I recall correctly, early last term.  When first
> suggested, it made perfect sense to me - how can we, the board, delegate
> the authority to do these things without having it?  I lost interest as the
> direction of the discussion turned towards wanting a uniformity of message
> or tone, which pointed out to me some of the practical difficulties with
> implementation.
>
> While Mr. Demarest is correct that, philosophically, it is nonsensical to
> speak of organizations as having a voice, it isn't meant as a philosophical
> claim, but rather as a description of how (some) organizations present
> themselves.  I want to ensure that everything that comes out from this
> party, with our stamp of approval, is true, professional, on-message, and
> strategic.  We pay staff to do that (although they could do it better with
> some advance strategic and image guidance from the board).  Starchild
> speaks of anything written by board members passing through the APRC, which
> does solve the objection that, as I said separately, our position vis a vis
> the party is as members of the board, not as individuals - would it also be
> evaluated by staff for the things I mentioned, and possibly edited?  If so,
> will it be signed when it comes out?
>
> If it is, I find that problematic.  Staff might not be in a great position
> to say that a piece is not useful/timely/etc. to a person who votes on
> their contract and pay.  EPCC and EC members might be viewed differently in
> this regard, as well.  If not, well, we've made staff's job of presenting
> this party to the world a little harder by providing another channel
> outwards from the party, and it's not clear to me exactly what we'd be
> getting in return.  Yes, many of us may well have things worth saying, and
> many of us do say them, in our personal capacity.  Do we really have such
> indispensible insights that they must be distributed by the party itself?
>  (If we do think that, well, feel free to organize a giveaway of my book.)
>  Personally, I am satisfied with staff and our chair being our public
> voice.  Certainly, of course, board members often make media appearances
> and identify ourselves with our board position, speak at various events,
> and so on, and I think that's all well and good, but, again, we're not
> speaking as the party when we do that.  At this point, it is hard for me to
> see what is gained from this proposal.
>
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:24 AM, David Demarest <
> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>
>> Starchild: Your suggestion certainly opens a can of worms. However, it is
>> a can that must be opened if we are to effectively embrace our ideological
>> and methodological diversity and connect effectively with the broader
>> audience within and external to the Libertarian Party. Your blogging
>> brainstorm presents an exciting challenge and long-overdue opportunity to
>> develop and refine our personal Libertarian messaging technique and
>> targeting strategies.
>>
>>
>>
>> We need to keep in mind that individual living, breathing Libertarians
>> are the voices of our institutions, not vice versa. The notion that
>> inanimate institutions have a “voice” is philosophical nonsense and a
>> classic example of authoritarian groupthink that we Libertarians are or
>> should be fighting against.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are at least as many Libertarian philosophies as there are
>> Libertarians. Nevertheless, individual Libertarians each have inspirational
>> message worthy of an equally remarkable messaging technique and targeting
>> strategy. It is high time to develop innovative individual messaging
>> technique and targeting strategies so we can effectively communicate our
>> inspirational personal Libertarian messages of freedom.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel: I agree that website integrity takes precedence but should not be
>> used as a delaying tactic to prevent the discussion of the viability of
>> Starchild's ground-breaking blog proposal. While the website is a critical
>> tool, it is only a vehicle to express our individual voices, the core of
>> our Libertarianism.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>
>>
>> *Oct 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy Un-Convention*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>
>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>
>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>
>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>>
>>
>>                 Are you volunteering to be in charge of rebuttals when
>> somebody says later, "Why didn't you propose that change when the website
>> was being overhauled, instead of waiting until now that we finally have
>> everything running smoothly!"?
>>
>>
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>>                                   ((( starchild ))) At-Large
>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>>                                (415) 625-FREE
>>
>>                                   @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Daniel Hayes wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Starchild,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Absolutely not at the moment.  Let's get the website under control
>> first before we even talk about something like that.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Daniel
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>   Thanks, guys!  I'll have to keep that in mind if I get really hard
>> up... Not that I'm convinced there's a great market for my advice; here on
>> the LNC, it's hard to even give it away sometimes, LOL.   ;-)
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>   Regarding columns however, I do think LNC members being able to blog
>> on our website along with staff (of course what we write could likewise be
>> vetted by the Advertising & Publications Review Committee), with LP members
>> allowed to comment on those blog posts, would be a good idea that could
>> draw more traffic to our site, spur greater member
>> participation/engagement, and help spread the libertarian message. Perhaps
>> each LNC member could also have the option to publish an occasional column
>> in LP News, like the chair's column that appears every issue, but less
>> frequently. Anyone else interested in a motion on either or both of these
>> ideas?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Love & Liberty,
>>
>> >>                                  ((( starchild ))) At-Large
>>
>> >> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> >>                               (415) 625-FREE
>>
>> >>                                  @StarchildSF
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> P.S. – For those wondering what David and Daniel were referring to, it
>> was a response I wrote to a very long letter that was recently sent to a
>> number of LNC members (perhaps everyone on the committee, I didn't check).
>> Normally when I receive something that's sent to more than two or three LNC
>> members, I will respond and post my response to this list along with the
>> original letter, however I didn't initially do that in this case, because
>> the letter had basically nothing to do with the Libertarian Party and I
>> suspected people would generally not want to read it. When replying, in
>> fact, I "bcc'd" my LNC colleagues, which I normally don't do, lest she hit
>> "reply all" and send us all additional correspondence.  Since it's now been
>> discussed (indirectly) on the list however, I've posted the correspondence
>> at bottom for the sake of transparency – and also in case anyone else
>> reading would like to write back to her with any words of encouragement or
>> other things that I should have said in my reply, but didn't.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> To put it gently, the writer appears to be experiencing "consensus
>> reality" a bit differently than most of us. But her final line (for those
>> who managed to read that far), also suggested possible suicidal tendencies,
>> which made me feel I should try to provide more than a cursory response. (I
>> haven't heard anything back, although it's only been a couple days.) She
>> did write to us for help, and she does have concerns about government –
>> although I think they may be less well-founded than the usual concerns that
>> libertarians have about government! Not that her letter contains any
>> particular indication that she is a libertarian, just someone who sounds
>> like she could use some help.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 AM, David Demarest wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Starchild,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I second Daniel's motion. Seriously, what a great idea! The next
>>
>> >>> challenge will be to find a media outlet worthy of a 'Dear
>>
>> >>> Starchild' column. Let's tackle that challenge head-on.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Thoughts?
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> ~David
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Oct 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy Un-Convention
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> >>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI) Secretary,
>>
>> >>> LPNE State Central Committee
>>
>> >>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>
>> >>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> >>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] On Behalf
>>
>> >>> Of Daniel Hayes
>>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 12:06 AM
>>
>> >>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>
>> >>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Dear Starchild
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Starchild,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> You should get a "Dear Starchild" column in one of the remaining
>>
>> >>> print newspapers  around the country. Take this comment entirely at
>> face value .
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Daniel
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> >>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>
>> >>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>
>> >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Julie Nguyen wrote:
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Every day it becomes more lawless. The government became stealer
>>
>> >>>> and robber. Before they had stolen some valueless things like brand
>>
>> >>>> new camera, brand new bed cover sheet set and other secondhand
>>
>> >>>> things. Now I lost three thousand dollars cash. They cannot cheat
>>
>> >>>> me to rob my money anymore, now they rob my money in other way. I
>>
>> >>>> may lose more money and my jewelery. Please stop them. Please help
>>
>> >>>> me to find a civil right attorney who dares to bring this evil to
>>
>> >>>> light. I want to do something to stop this dirty game.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I have been harassed, abused, hurt by the government for long time.
>>
>> >>>> They are pushing me to do and live the way they want. I don’t do
>>
>> >>>> and will never accept it, so they block all ways of my life. I
>>
>> >>>> cannot find justice, no laws support me, all my rights have been
>>
>> >>>> trampled. All people can hurt me, cheat me, insult me and they are
>>
>> >>>> not punished by laws, they are all safe under the government
>>
>> >>>> protection. The harassment keeps increasing with time, now my life
>>
>> >>>> is completely deadlock.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> First, all people I knew such as neighbors, acquaintances… hinted
>>
>> >>>> me to join some groups of Vietnamese community; contact the family
>>
>> >>>> in Vietnam; sponsor some people from Vietnam to the US…; they
>>
>> >>>> directed me to get along with more other people of Asian races:
>>
>> >>>> Chinese, Japanese, Indian…; they had an attitude of superiority to
>>
>> >>>> my life, my personal
>>
>> >>>> things: the clothes I wore, the money I spent, the time I used…;
>>
>> >>>> they questioned me why I did this, why I did not do that… I ignored
>>
>> >>>> and stopped contact them. From then on I had trouble everywhere, at
>>
>> >>>> home, at any business services, at public places… I had to wait for
>>
>> >>>> long time at any business services, and the jobs were not done
>>
>> >>>> well, redid again and again. So I must see people longer and hear
>> what they said.
>>
>> >>>> They set the scene that I must see and have contact with Asian
>>
>> >>>> people at any fields and must do what they hinted. If I did not
>>
>> >>>> come to the right places or the right persons, I had no business
>>
>> >>>> services. If I did not do what they hinted, the harassment would
>> increase.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I don’t care about politics. It is not my business if the
>>
>> >>>> government wants to support Asian people to have place in the
>>
>> >>>> system. But they have no rights to force me to follow their way. I
>>
>> >>>> will provide the main information for over ten years from the
>>
>> >>>> beginning to present, from low to high level of harassment.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> In 2003, I lived in the condominium at 4300 NE, Sunset Blvd F8,
>>
>> >>>> Renton, Washington 98059. I have been bothered by anonymous phone
>>
>> >>>> calls, day and night, every day, just asking some certain names or
>>
>> >>>> impolite talk. I tracked their phone numbers by using the local
>>
>> >>>> telephone company service, but I could not know what they were and
>>
>> >>>> filed a complaint to the Renton police department. They did not
>>
>> >>>> take any actions, and the problem still continued. I called the
>>
>> >>>> police few times later to request their help. They did not say or
>>
>> >>>> do anything, but the phone harassment was ended. I found out from
>>
>> >>>> the police that one phone call was from a Vietnamese man who was my
>>
>> >>>> insurance agent, and he moved to California few months later.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Next, a Vietnamese neighbor in unit F1 which was behind the wall of
>>
>> >>>> my bedroom. He bothered me by loud noise, and tried to get my
>>
>> >>>> attention by doing car wash in my parking lot, standing in front of
>>
>> >>>> me… Some strange cars often parked in my parking lot when I got
>>
>> >>>> home late in the evening. They installed a device furtively into
>>
>> >>>> the smoke alarm in my bedroom. It sounded a big noise every two
>>
>> >>>> seconds. They did spot jamming on some TV channel. It was a start
>>
>> >>>> time people let me wait long time at some business services at some
>> locations.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> One day the food waste disposer did not work. I called many people
>>
>> >>>> to fix it, but all of them refused to do. Later I asked the right
>>
>> >>>> man that they wanted him to do for me, he came quickly.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> At the same time, I began to receive a lot of junk mails for the
>>
>> >>>> receiver’s name Phong Nguyen. I had lived at this address for
>>
>> >>>> several years before, and had never had any correspondence with
>>
>> >>>> that name, and nobody in my home had that name either. It was a
>>
>> >>>> huge amount of junk mails every day to the day I moved out.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> In January 2005 I moved to the new house at 2407 Camas Ave NE,
>>
>> >>>> Renton, Washington 98056. The builder, Crescent Home, intended to
>>
>> >>>> make a lot of mistakes. The tiles were not placed correctly, the
>>
>> >>>> sink leaked water, and the nails came out on some areas under the
>>
>> >>>> carpet. It was really painful if someone accidentally stepped on.
>>
>> >>>> The builder did not want to fix the mistakes until I wanted to take
>>
>> >>>> the problem to the third party.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> At this house on the Camas Ave., I continued to receive junk mails
>>
>> >>>> for the receiver’s name Phong Nguyen with my new address on the
>>
>> >>>> junk mails. One day, I received a cell phone bill from Sprint
>>
>> >>>> Company for Phong Nguyen at my new address on it. I called the
>> Sprint Company.
>>
>> >>>> People did not want to talk to me, they let me wait for long time
>>
>> >>>> then disconnected the line. I had to call many times until they
>>
>> >>>> talked to me. I warned them that nobody in this house knew Phong
>>
>> >>>> Nguyen, if I still received the bill for Phong Nguyen at my
>>
>> >>>> address, I would file a complaint to the District Attorney. After
>>
>> >>>> that they stopped the mail harassment.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Cheating and delaying had been increased to new level.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> The technician from ADT monitor security protection did not come to
>>
>> >>>> install the system. At the end of the day we had to call them to
>>
>> >>>> reschedule to another day while they requested us had to be home at
>>
>> >>>> that time, if not, we had to pay for that fault. Then the
>>
>> >>>> technician did not do a good job, redid again.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Other business services did the same.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> At this new address. The Vietnamese man next door bothered me
>>
>> >>>> terribly. Besides making noise he always stayed before me to do
>>
>> >>>> provocative actions every time I came out. To avoid having trouble
>>
>> >>>> with the neighbor, I moved to another place after less than two
>>
>> >>>> years living there.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I moved to the new house at 4005 NE 21st Street, Renton, Washington
>>
>> >>>> 98056 in October 2006. The builder, American Classic, did the same
>>
>> >>>> like the other builder: The sink leaked water, the power system did
>>
>> >>>> not work well… The technician kept coming back many times, and the
>>
>> >>>> mistakes still remained to the day I moved out.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> At this location, after installing the alarm system in the house,
>>
>> >>>> the Pinnacle Security technician told me that I had to call the
>>
>> >>>> Indian guy’s cell phone one a month, so he would come to check the
>>
>> >>>> system, it was a requirement (there were two guys at that time). I
>>
>> >>>> canceled the service immediately, and the main device immediately
>>
>> >>>> sounded noisily, a big noise every two seconds even I had taken it
>>
>> >>>> off the wall and thrown out of the house.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> The Asian neighbors in the front and in the back of the house did
>>
>> >>>> the same like the other neighbors. They tried to catch me every
>>
>> >>>> time I came out to get my attention on them.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> They installed some devices furtively again into each smoke alarm
>>
>> >>>> in the house. They sounded a big noise every two seconds. I had to
>>
>> >>>> disconnect the power line to all of them.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> ·         A & E Factory Service – North West Service District: 4786
>>
>> >>>> First Ave. S, Seattle, Washington 98134; phone: 800-905-9505
>> <(800)%20905-9505>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> After two years living on the 21st Street, they damaged the
>>
>> >>>> dishwasher when nobody was home. I called A & E Factory Service
>>
>> >>>> many times, and fought with people on the phone because it costed
>>
>> >>>> my money and time, but the dishwasher never got done. Their
>>
>> >>>> technician came to my house many times, they pretended to repair
>>
>> >>>> it, after they left the dishwasher remained not working. Each time
>>
>> >>>> I called, they gave appointment after five days or over. One time,
>>
>> >>>> just a few minutes after the technician left, the dishwasher got
>>
>> >>>> fire. I had to call the fire department. It was repaired a year
>>
>> >>>> later after I had sent out all of the harassment to a lot of people.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> They kept damaging something in the house after the other things
>>
>> >>>> had been fixed, so if something was not a major part, I had to bear
>>
>> >>>> with it.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> ·         Qwest Services: Home telephone, cell phone, internet,
>>
>> >>>> digital TV (Direct TV): P.O. Box 2678, Omaha, NE 68103; phone:
>>
>> >>>> 800-244-1111 <(800)%20244-1111>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>>      *Home telephone: After I had moved into the new house on the
>>
>> >>>> 21st Street for few months, the home telephone line did not work. I
>>
>> >>>> had to pay for the technician of Qwest to come in to fix it. From
>>
>> >>>> then on the phone line was controlled. If I called law offices, the
>>
>> >>>> American Civil Liberties Union or other people to get legal help,
>>
>> >>>> the phone line was very noisy, or I could not hear people who were
>>
>> >>>> on the phone line with me.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>>      *Internet: It could stop working at any time, especially when
>>
>> >>>> I searched for legal service. One time I had to call the Qwest
>>
>> >>>> Internet
>>
>> >>>> 24 Hours Service for the whole night because they hung up or did
>>
>> >>>> not answer the phone.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>>      *Cell phone: Qwest and Verizon Wireless cheated me by informed
>>
>> >>>> me that Qwest and Verizon Wireless worked together, I could renew
>>
>> >>>> the contract either with Qwest or Verizon Wireless, and the fee
>>
>> >>>> would be the same. I renewed with Verizon Wireless, then the fee
>>
>> >>>> was higher than it had been. I canceled the service and agreed to
>>
>> >>>> pay one hundred seventy five dollars for early end contracted, but
>>
>> >>>> again the amount was higher than that. I did not pay, and they put
>>
>> >>>> my account in collection.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>>       *Television: They sometimes changed the programs on TV to let
>>
>> >>>> me see something about what they wanted me to do.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> ·         Medical Doctor: David Santos: was at 9412 SW 43rd Street,
>>
>> >>>> Suite 110, Renton, Washington 98058; phone: 425-227-400. Now at
>>
>> >>>> 12301 NE 10st St, Suite 101A, Bellevue, Washington 98005; phone:
>>
>> >>>> 425-549-2129 <(425)%20549-2129>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Doctor Santos did the noise surgery for me for medical reason in
>>
>> >>>> October 2005. Few days after the surgery my nose was bled a lot, I
>>
>> >>>> had to go to the emergency room at night.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> In October 2009 I paid him four thousand two hundred dollars for
>>
>> >>>> cosmetic surgery to take the fat on the upper and lower eyes. He
>>
>> >>>> did twice.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> The first time, he did not take the stitch on my eyes after the
>>
>> >>>> surgery, the receptionist told me to go to the emergency room. I
>>
>> >>>> paid one hundred dollars, but the doctor at the emergency room at
>>
>> >>>> Valley Medical Center Hospital in Renton did not take the stitch
>>
>> >>>> out and told me to go back doctor Santos. Next day I paid another
>>
>> >>>> one hundred dollars for another doctor at another clinic to take the
>> stitch out.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> The second time, doctor Santos did the surgery again on my right
>>
>> >>>> eye in February 2009, and the eye bled.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> The fact was he did not do the job. He did not take the fat on the
>>
>> >>>> upper and lower eyes on both surgeries, and he left two scars on my
>>
>> >>>> right eye.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> ·         Dentists:
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>>       *Anna A. Danieli, Patrick L. McKenzie: 1900 S Puget Drive,
>>
>> >>>> Suite 102, Renton, Washington 98055; phone: 425-228-1521
>> <(425)%20228-1521>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>>       *David Ford: 601 S Carr Road, Suite 400, Renton, Washington
>>
>> >>>> 98055; phone: 425-277-0125 <(425)%20277-0125>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>>        *Andrew Johnson: 601 S Carr Road, Suite 350, Renton,
>>
>> >>>> Washington 98055; phone: 425- 277-3368 <(425)%20277-3368>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> All these dentists cheated and hurt me to extract a wrong tooth and
>>
>> >>>> dentist David Ford extracted it. Anna Danieli and Patrick McKenzie
>>
>> >>>> tried to cheat me to get more money later.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Dentists Patrick McKenzie and Anna Danieli were husband and wife.
>>
>> >>>> They let the guy who cleaned my teeth tell me that my tooth needed
>>
>> >>>> to be extracted. Then all above dentists said the same, and David
>>
>> >>>> Ford extracted it. After the tooth extraction, on my last visit for
>>
>> >>>> teeth cleaning, they let a strange Vietnamese woman whom I had
>>
>> >>>> never seen before clean my teeth very perfunctorily and this woman
>>
>> >>>> decided my five teeth needed filling. She said because she was able
>>
>> >>>> to see by her eyes, so I should not doubt it. Then she let a Korean
>>
>> >>>> man (I did not know who this guy was) check my teeth very
>>
>> >>>> perfunctorily. The man offered to do an implant surgery for a new
>>
>> >>>> tooth to replace the extracting tooth. He said the surgery would be
>>
>> >>>> done at Anna Danieli’s office, and it would be a lower cost than at
>> other professional place.
>>
>> >>>> I never let it happen.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> They advised and extracted the wrong tooth, it was not necessary
>>
>> >>>> extracted. This dental office had no license to perform implant
>>
>> >>>> surgery. The Vietnamese woman had no right to decide what the teeth
>>
>> >>>> needed. Later other dentist told me that the Korean guy was a
>>
>> >>>> student not graduated yet.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I did not have a dental insurance. I paid off at every office visit
>>
>> >>>> for any services: Extraction, cleaning, teeth filling… they gave me
>>
>> >>>> a receipt like a receipt of a small store. It was a piece of paper
>>
>> >>>> with only the number I had paid, no any words at all.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> ·         Medical Doctor: Michael S. Solomon: Eye Center at Valley
>>
>> >>>> Medical Center at 3915 Talbot Road, Suite 100, Renton, Washington
>>
>> >>>> 98055; phone: 425-656-5345 <(425)%20656-5345>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> This office refused to make early appointment when I needed urgent
>>
>> >>>> care for eyes infection. They forced me to go to the emergency room
>>
>> >>>> first, but the doctor at the emergency room at Valley Medical
>>
>> >>>> Center Hospital in Renton did not do any treatment, and told me to
>>
>> >>>> go back to the doctor at the Eye Center after I had paid one
>>
>> >>>> hundred dollars. On my last visit at this office they let a Korean
>>
>> >>>> guy that I did not know who he was to exam my eyes.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> ·         Valley Medical Center, Cascade Primary Care: 4033 Talbot
>>
>> >>>> Road, Suite 570, Renton, Washington 98055; phone: 425-656-5400
>> <(425)%20656-5400>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> This office did not do the right thing under the laws. When I had
>>
>> >>>> stomach pain, they refused to make early appointment.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> ·         Don Ramey: UW Extension (University of Washington),
>>
>> >>>> Associate Director: 4311 11th Ave. NE, Seattle, Washington 98105;
>>
>> >>>> phone: 206-897-8939 <(206)%20897-8939>, 800-506-1325
>> <(800)%20506-1325>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> After graduated from the University of Washington, I wanted to
>>
>> >>>> continue my education at the UW Extension. I came to this office
>>
>> >>>> many times, lots of people who worked at this place did not give me
>>
>> >>>> clear information about how to apply, requirement… They referred me
>>
>> >>>> to Don Ramey. I could only contact him by email. Through several
>>
>> >>>> emails, I got nothing, no information was given.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> ·         King County Library Connection at South Center: 1115 South
>>
>> >>>> Center Mall, Tukwila, Washington 98188; phone: 206-242-6044
>> <(206)%20242-6044> (inside
>>
>> >>>> Westfield Shopping Town South Center, East Entrance)
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Because the internet stopped working when I searched legal service,
>>
>> >>>> I had to go to the public library. At this place people did not let
>>
>> >>>> me use a computer. They said all computers had been booked. I asked
>>
>> >>>> for the proof of reservation, they did not have it, then they let
>>
>> >>>> me use one.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> ·         Mercedes-Benz of Bellevue: 11950 Bellevue Redmond Road,
>>
>> >>>> Bellevue, Washington 98005; phone: 425-455-8535 <(425)%20455-8535>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I bought a brand new Mercedes car here in 2005, and they installed
>>
>> >>>> a distance control device furtively into my car to let me have
>>
>> >>>> trouble few years later. When I brought my car there for oil
>>
>> >>>> change, they kept the car till the next day, and let me use their
>>
>> >>>> car. They asked my credit card and said no charge, just kept the
>>
>> >>>> information in case of something wrong. But later I found that they
>>
>> >>>> took money from the credit card while I paid cash for the service.
>>
>> >>>> I happened twice. They also did not complete the oil change process
>>
>> >>>> on my vehicle, they did not change the filter. On the last visit, a
>>
>> >>>> woman worked there, the last visit, a woman worked there, Sheryl
>>
>> >>>> Parkins, gave a fee for the service which was higher than the real
>>
>> >>>> cost around two hundred dollars. When I asked her to write down on
>>
>> >>>> the paper, she wrote differently.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> The harassment increased to higher level. All people I met hinted
>>
>> >>>> me to sponsor people from Vietnam to the US, reminded me to contact
>>
>> >>>> the family in Vietnam… I had to bear the harassment everywhere, at
>>
>> >>>> restaurants, at the bank, public parks, any shops, and
>>
>> >>>> supermarkets… People worked in the South Center Mall, Northgate
>>
>> >>>> Mall, Bellevue Mall at the cosmetic department did not sell me the
>>
>> >>>> products. I had to contact Asian people at any business, if not, I
>>
>> >>>> had no business services. Once I met Asian people, I had to see
>>
>> >>>> them long time to hear what they said. It became that I spent time
>>
>> >>>> longer for each visit and came back as much as they could make. I
>>
>> >>>> did not dare to come to any dentists or medical doctors. I had a
>> large limit of necessary in life.
>>
>> >>>> I could not get any lawyers to protect my rights, all of them
>>
>> >>>> refused to take the case, even people in the ACLU cooperated with
>>
>> >>>> the government to hurt me.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> ·         American Civil Liberties Union of Washington State – Legal
>>
>> >>>> department ACLU of Washington: 705 Second Avenue #310, Seattle,
>>
>> >>>> Washington 98104; phone: 206-624-2184 <(206)%20624-2184>,
>> 206-624-2180 <(206)%20624-2180>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> In 2009, I sent the information to the ACLU in Seattle, Washington,
>>
>> >>>> and spoke with a woman on the phone probably a lawyer. She said the
>>
>> >>>> same like other people had said, I should go to some Asian groups
>>
>> >>>> to get help or go to a psychologist for my emotion, because I did
>>
>> >>>> not want to contact the family in Vietnam. I refused to do it, and
>>
>> >>>> asked her to protect my rights. She refused to take the case. One
>>
>> >>>> dentist did the same, he introduced me to see Asian people and
>>
>> >>>> advised me to see a psychologist. I told him I need a lawyer, not a
>> psychologist.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> No laws protected my rights, I had to protect myself. So I stopped
>>
>> >>>> contact with Asian people whom I had known before. If I had to go
>>
>> >>>> somewhere, I refused to deal with Asian people. Then they raised
>>
>> >>>> the harassment to higher level.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> In the beginning of 2010 to the time I sold my car in 2012 when
>>
>> >>>> started driving my car on the road, on the freeway, a lot of cars
>>
>> >>>> ran around me. They ran slowly and did not let me get out. They
>>
>> >>>> sometimes suddenly jumped into my car, but I could move away to
>> avoid accident.
>>
>> >>>> I had to make my way to get out of them, and they used the police
>>
>> >>>> to give me many tickets because of not giving signal to change
>>
>> >>>> lane…
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> If I did not go to gas stations having Asian people worked there,
>>
>> >>>> people in other places did not sell the gas or a lot of vehicles
>>
>> >>>> blocked the line. In February 2011, it snowed a little bit. I had
>>
>> >>>> been able to drive on heavier snow even with an older inexpensive
>>
>> >>>> car. But on that night, only a few blocks to get home, the car
>>
>> >>>> could not move while the engine still running. They let a black man
>>
>> >>>> pretended to help me. He said I could not drive, he would take me
>>
>> >>>> home, and come back the next day to bring me back to my car. I let
>>
>> >>>> him do it, and he came back the next evening and said that he
>>
>> >>>> wanted to be my friend. I refused. Later many black people ran
>>
>> >>>> around to remind me about that guy. I was stupid to throw away his
>>
>> >>>> phone number, if not I would post here for people to check.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I ordered food to go to avoid harassment at restaurants. They
>>
>> >>>> wanted me to go to restaurants in Renton, I did not, I ran far away
>>
>> >>>> to Seattle to buy food. People there often made wrong food which
>>
>> >>>> was not the one I ordered, and I knew only when I got home that
>>
>> >>>> some parts of food were missing or not good. They always let me
>>
>> >>>> wait long time, thirty minutes to one hour, if I did not ask, it
>>
>> >>>> may be longer while all of the restaurants were small, and there
>>
>> >>>> were only ten customers or less. Lots of Asian people always
>>
>> >>>> surrounded me at any restaurants and spoke loudly to remind me what
>> they wanted me to do.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> In February 2011, two days after the car problem with the black
>>
>> >>>> guy, I got food at a restaurant, people let me wait forty five
>>
>> >>>> minutes, I requested them to do earlier, and they refused to sell
>>
>> >>>> food to me. I called out that the government ordered them to harass
>>
>> >>>> me. The Seattle police came to arrest me. They put me in jail for
>>
>> >>>> two nights. A woman said she was a lawyer, she read a false police
>>
>> >>>> report about the length of the time I had had to wait and what had
>>
>> >>>> been happening on that night, and offered me to choose a treatment
>>
>> >>>> for mental health; they were dreamers! My boyfriend hired a lawyer
>>
>> >>>> in Tacoma, Washington. His name was John J. Meske. He suggested to
>>
>> >>>> my boyfriend that I would admit that I had taken additive drugs, so
>>
>> >>>> it caused me to do that; they dreamed again! When I saw him I told
>>
>> >>>> him the story. He said that he only took care this criminal case.
>>
>> >>>> (It was a criminal complaint for criminal trespass on the first
>>
>> >>>> degree, and the plaintiff was the city of Seattle, Washington). I
>>
>> >>>> told him that I would tell at the court what the government had
>>
>> >>>> harassed me, abused my rights. He said that I did not have any
>>
>> >>>> evidences to prove it, and the judge would put me in mental health.
>>
>> >>>> I said if I could find justice for myself, I would kill myself, I
>>
>> >>>> would never let the lawyer ask the judge for mercy or admit guilt
>>
>> >>>> while people forced me to do that. Then the lawyer said that the
>>
>> >>>> prosecutor would not appear at the court room to prosecute me. I
>>
>> >>>> came to the court twice. The first time, the lawyer asked the judge
>>
>> >>>> to delay the trial. The second time, the judge dismissed the case
>> because the owner of the restaurant signed some paper to cancel the
>> complaint.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> They arranged lots of people in Renton to harass me and broke a lot
>>
>> >>>> of things in my house. So I moved away to Archstone Water Place
>>
>> >>>> Apartment in Woodinville, Washington in April 2011. The employees
>>
>> >>>> there reminded me a little bit about Asian people, and Asian people
>>
>> >>>> who were living around tried to catch me to get my attention on
>>
>> >>>> them. Some items in the unit were damaged on the first day moved
>>
>> >>>> in, I ignored all. After three months I moved again.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> In July 2011, I moved to Morning Run Apartment in Monroe, Washington.
>>
>> >>>> On the first day, the employees did not give us the key at the
>>
>> >>>> office, told us to wait in front of the apartment. It took so long,
>>
>> >>>> we came back to the office. Then a woman got in with us, she did
>>
>> >>>> not want to leave. She checked and touched every item in the unit.
>>
>> >>>> It seemed to be hours while we rented a truck and had to return it
>>
>> >>>> by five o’clock. We did not care what she did, just carried in our
>>
>> >>>> stuff. She came out and tried to talk, we ignored, she left. She
>>
>> >>>> did that because she wanted I saw again Asian people who were
>>
>> >>>> moving into the next apartment and did not return back yet. The
>>
>> >>>> second day, I found that the sink, the refrigerator, the dishwasher
>>
>> >>>> had problem. The Asian technician came the next day. He kept trying
>>
>> >>>> to talk to me. He asked me what was wrong with the sink and came to
>>
>> >>>> the other sink to look. He asked me if I like the temperature of
>>
>> >>>> the refrigerator after he had fixed it. Then he took off the heater
>>
>> >>>> and ask what was wrong with it, but I did not ask him to do it.
>>
>> >>>> After a time he told me he could not repair the dishwasher, other
>>
>> >>>> technician would come tomorrow to do it. Then he came back to the
>>
>> >>>> sink inside the bedroom. Few minutes later he called me to come
>>
>> >>>> inside and said he could not fix it, he did not know what was wrong
>>
>> >>>> with it. I scolded him and the woman from the day before. He called
>>
>> >>>> the police. Two policemen came at the door. I asked them if the
>>
>> >>>> government harassed me and sent them here to threaten me. They said
>>
>> >>>> no, no, they came because the guy called them, and they would leave
>> for me to do the housework.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> A next few days I found the sink in the kitchen leaked water. This
>>
>> >>>> time I left the unit during the joke. The technician came several
>>
>> >>>> times for few days, then left a note that they could not fix it. A
>>
>> >>>> woman from the office came to check it, and left some stupid
>>
>> >>>> conclusion, but did not say it would be fixed. Then all of them
>>
>> >>>> were quiet. I did not care. It was their duty and was not my
>> property.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> They installed some device into smoke alarms again, I took the
>>
>> >>>> alarms off the ceiling. Asian people around the apartment did the
>>
>> >>>> same like the others at other locations. My laptop and internet
>>
>> >>>> connection continued to be controlled. The T-Mobile internet
>>
>> >>>> service could stop working for few days or weeks. Some web sites or
>>
>> >>>> webpage could not open. They frequently posted a big Asian picture
>> to cover the content.
>>
>> >>>> I could not remove it, or if I could remove, it appeared again
>>
>> >>>> immediately.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> After I had moved in the apartment for a few weeks the black woman
>>
>> >>>> in the upstairs unit started making noise every night in the bed
>>
>> >>>> room area. Lots of residents moved in and out the unit, and they
>>
>> >>>> all did the same, that unit is never empty. It became louder and
>>
>> >>>> louder, and happened in the day too, but every night. On March 21,
>>
>> >>>> 2014, it happened around four o’clock in the morning. I could not
>>
>> >>>> bear it any more, I came out shouting “Fuck the government. Stop
>>
>> >>>> harassing”. The two policemen knocked at the door. I told them that
>>
>> >>>> people in the upstairs unit made noise to harass me, and I wanted
>>
>> >>>> the government to stop harassing. One of them said at once if I was
>> on mental treatment.
>>
>> >>>> I scolded them back, and told them that the government harassed me
>>
>> >>>> very long time, and they might not know the full story, and I let
>>
>> >>>> them read the information in my unit. He read for few minutes, then
>>
>> >>>> said that they (“We”) did not against me, I should trust people… I
>>
>> >>>> cut off to tell him that I did not want to talk to anybody, I
>>
>> >>>> wanted a lawyer, a civil rights lawyer. He said if there was a
>>
>> >>>> lawyer, I had to pay for that, then they left. I sent them an email
>>
>> >>>> immediately about all of the information in case they wanted to
>>
>> >>>> bring this case to the court. I did not scream, yell or be angry
>>
>> >>>> during the talk. But I confirm that being angry is my right. I am
>>
>> >>>> not a slave or an animal not to be allowed to get angry, I don’t
>>
>> >>>> let anybody forbid me being angry. Few days later I found a police
>>
>> >>>> report at the front door. It was a false report to insult me. It
>>
>> >>>> described me as a mental woman, continuous yelling, shouting,
>>
>> >>>> angry; and they were good, patient with me, explained to me, tried
>>
>> >>>> to calm me down, and asked if I should be willing to go to the
>>
>> >>>> Triage Center voluntary. At the mendacious barefaced report, I
>>
>> >>>> tried to look for legal help again, but all door closed at my
>> seeking justice.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I could not tell all of the harassment for over ten years. A lot of
>>
>> >>>> people know and joint this dirty game. It is immoral and law
>>
>> >>>> violation. Where is justice?
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> A lot of people always give good words about justice, human rights,
>>
>> >>>> laws, government… while I, myself, did not do any bad things, but I
>>
>> >>>> cannot live in my own life, I don’t have my own choice, I cannot
>>
>> >>>> get basic rights of a human. I can chew only in one side, I have to
>>
>> >>>> endure my toothache, I have to watch my health to become worse day
>>
>> >>>> by day in silence. I cannot go anywhere without harassment even at
>>
>> >>>> home. Nowhere on this earth is my own peace place.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I promise myself that if I cannot find justice, I cannot get back
>>
>> >>>> what I have lost from the vile harassment, I will not talk or have
>>
>> >>>> contact with Asian people in any service, never accept any exchange
>>
>> >>>> to get basic rights and won’t give a chance for people to hurt me
>>
>> >>>> again. My life has to be completely free without any conditions or
>>
>> >>>> it is ended soon in some day.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Hi Julie,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>   Thank you for writing. I am sorry to hear of the bad experiences
>> you've been having. All I can do is offer a few suggestions, which I hope
>> may be of assistance:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>   If you are receiving unwanted mail, a good technique is to write on
>> it, "Return To Sender" and drop it in your local mailbox. You can also
>> circle your name on the envelope and draw an arrow to it along with the
>> words "Not At This Address".
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>   If you receive bills at your address sent to another person, you do
>> not need to waste your time calling the company that sent them – you can
>> just ignore them. Very rarely will anything further happen, and if it does,
>> you'll have an opportunity to deal with it at that time. Companies that
>> want to hear from people about mistakes like this so that they can correct
>> them rather than wasting more of their money sending mail to the wrong
>> homes need to learn to stop wasting people's time by using phone numbers
>> where you have to spend a lot of time waiting on hold before you can speak
>> to anyone.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>   My best guess is that it's not the neighbors messing with your
>> smoke detectors in your home, but rather that the batteries in the devices
>> were running low – that often causes them to start beeping periodically. I
>> would either open them and put in new batteries, or just take the batteries
>> out altogether, and the noise will probably stop. Requiring people to have
>> smoke detectors is just another unnecessary government law – the likelihood
>> that one will ever save your life is very low, and if you don't think it's
>> worth the cost and stress of maintaining them, my advice is don't do it.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>   In my experience, most people at one time or another, often
>> repeatedly, have problems with products they buy, things being installed
>> incorrectly, medical services they receive not being performed properly,
>> receiving poor service at various businesses and having to wait long
>> amounts of time, getting their computers to work properly (that
>> especially!), etc.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>   Although government policies indirectly contribute to many of these
>> problems, it is very, very rare for government employees to specifically
>> target someone for harassment in the manners you describe. They simply do
>> not have the time and resources to do this, partly because they are busy
>> processing all the paperwork and administrative bullshit that they impose
>> on the rest of us! Much more likely is that you are simply experiencing the
>> normal and unfortunate pains of living in a modern and highly technological
>> society. None of us, sadly, are able to live completely free without any
>> conditions, or even close to it.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>   I've certainly dealt with many frustrating things myself, and find
>> the best approach is usually to ignore it or find the humor in it to be
>> able to laugh at the absurdity, and focus on more pleasant things. Breathe
>> deeply. Have a cup of tea. Meditate. Turn off the TV and take a walk.
>> Perhaps try using marijuana – the government now recognizes it as legal in
>> Washington state, and it can be good for helping to relax and relieve
>> stress. It may even help temporarily with your toothache pain, although I
>> do advise seeing a dentist for that. If you don't like the ones you've been
>> seeing, there are plenty of others. You might try Yelp.com and look for
>> dentists in Renton to see which ones have good reviews. If the neighbors
>> annoy you, just wave at them and say "Have a nice day!" and keep going.
>> They will probably soon get tired of it and leave you alone. You have every
>> right to get angry when you want to, but it's usually more fun to remain
>> calm!   :-)
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>   I can guarantee you that not all Asian people are out to get you or
>> working together in some kind of conspiracy. I've found many people of
>> Asian ethnicity to be friendly, helpful, and kind, along with some who are
>> not so much, just as is true of every other ethnic group. Maybe you
>> yourself are a kind, helpful person of Asian background?
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>   Besides this advice, I'm afraid the Libertarian Party does not have
>> the resources or expertise to help you, but on behalf of the party I wish
>> you the best and hope you are able to cope with these circumstances and
>> still have a happy life.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>> >>>                                 ((( starchild ))) At-Large
>>
>> >>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
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*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
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