[Lnc-business] LNC blogging / LP News columns
Ken Moellman
lpky at mu-net.org
Sat Feb 18 17:33:40 EST 2017
Yes. Dr. Ruwart did post blogs in the past. As did Wayne Root, and others.
The problem, of course, is that when a member posts a blog entry on LP.org,
they're creating confusion for the public as to who that person is speaking
for -- the individual or the party? Will APRC really say no to a fellow LNC
member?
Anyway, my compromise idea was come upon to meet several goals, including
keeping the site cleaner and on-point while also allowing LNC members to
have a way to have their personal opinion easily found.
If I remember correctly, I can make a motion, but it doesn't count toward
the number of sponsors. Also, it doesn't look like many people support the
idea. So to keep things clean, I'm not going to make such a motion unless
more members want the compromise proposal.
ken
On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:
> So much this.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 9:52 AM Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Having LNC blogging on LP.org, subject to APRC review, is a good idea.
>>
>> First, we already have people producing content on facebook, personal
>> blogs, etc. While what goes out on facebook sometimes tends to be more
>> incendiary, there is also plenty of content that is toned down and entirely
>> appropriate for the website.
>>
>> More importantly, it draws people to LP.org, where they can then learn
>> how to volunteer, run for office, donate, etc. That part is the more
>> important part. LP.org should be exciting, not tedious. People should want
>> to go there to see what's new.
>>
>> I would generally oppose personal website linkage from LP.org. That
>> doesn't bring people to LP.org site, but rather just advertises our own
>> personal web pages. I don't think it is at all appropriate for LP.org to be
>> used in that way. As a simple example, if Austin Petersen were on the LNC,
>> would it be considered above board to link to The Libertarian Republic, his
>> ad-supported news page?
>>
>> It also robs Lp.org of all viral marketing. Under this suggestion, if a
>> post goes viral, it will just send people to the LNC member's personal
>> webpage. If content is hosted at LP.org, viral posts will bring people back
>> to Lp.org.
>>
>> In terms of staff response: I believe this may be underestimating our
>> staff. Staff in the past has been very quick to oppose phrasing that they
>> consider problematic, or facebook memes they consider problematic, etc.
>> Staff members have been perfectly open with suggested rewrites of my
>> materials, or of the writing put out by the Chair.
>>
>> I recommend we take steps roughly like this:
>>
>> 1. Do a 2 month test run with a few LNC volunteers, ideally those who
>> have some kind of measurable track record.
>>
>> 2. Maintain APRC oversight on blog content, as is done now with blog
>> content.
>>
>> 3. At the end of the trial period, revisit the issue.
>>
>> Note that similar things have been done successfully in the past. Dr.
>> Ruwart and others posted things at lp.org, and the long term virality of
>> those posts kept bringing people back to lp.org.
>>
>> Let's make LP.org an exciting destination. The potential gains are huge,
>> and the risk is minor.
>>
>> -Arvin
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 10:35 AM, David Demarest <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Ken, if you offer your compromise in a motion, I will co-sponsor.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am excited about this opportunity!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>
>>
>> *Oct 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy Un-Convention*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>
>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>
>> Cell: 402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>
>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 18, 2017 9:31 AM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Cc:* 'Ken Moellman' <ken.moellman at lpky.org>; 'David Demarest' <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net>; dprattdemarest at gmail.com
>> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] LNC blogging / LP News columns
>>
>>
>>
>> I like Ken’s suggestion for a "Personal Website link under the image of
>> each LNC member who wishes it”. His proposal is an excellent compromise
>> and very practical starting point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ken’s approach would not only simplify the APRC task of keeping the LNC
>> collaborative message on point. It would also achieve Starchild’s purpose
>> of encouraging individual LNC members to speak their mind in a setting that
>> that gives them the freedom to express their individual Libertarian
>> perspective without the imperative to regurgitate the necessarily cleansed
>> official collaborative LNC message.
>>
>> The text of our individual links under our LNC page images could say
>> “Dear Starchild”, “Dear Ken”, “Dear Caryn Ann”, “Dear Joshua”, “Dear
>> Daniel”, “Dear David”, et cetera. LOL – that would likely draw some traffic
>> and enhance the official collaborative LNC message while maintaining the
>> Libertarian spirit of individual voices of freedom!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ken, what a great compromise!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>
>>
>> *Oct 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy Un-Convention*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>
>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>
>> Cell: 402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>
>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Starchild
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 18, 2017 8:30 AM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Cc:* Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] LNC blogging / LP News columns
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The point of having a more interactive website, with more
>> blogging and ability for site visitors to post comments, isn't only to help
>> people find out more about who we as LNC members are, although that would
>> be one benefit. Other positives would likely include:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> • Drawing more traffic to our website, thereby raising it in search
>> rankings, and making more people more likely to discover it, resulting in
>> more inquiries, memberships, donations, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> • Giving the LP the bandwidth to publicly address topical issues with
>> greater frequency than we do now, and increasing the likelihood of media
>> coverage of our statements
>>
>>
>>
>> • Making the party more participatory and bottom-up by decentralizing
>> power a bit and giving members more of a soapbox than they are currently
>> allowed to have
>>
>>
>>
>> • Reinvigorating the party and making LP News and LP.org more
>> interesting to read by having more Libertarian voices and less
>> institutionalism and sterility, as per David and Caryn Ann's comments below
>>
>>
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>> ((( starchild )))
>>
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> (415) 625-FREE
>>
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> A personal website is even more problematic... would rather things be
>> vetted by APRC
>>
>>
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd like to propose a compromise.
>>
>>
>>
>> How about, on the LNC members page, we put a "Personal Website" link
>> under the image of each LNC member who wishes it. In that scenario, it
>> keeps the primary LP.org "clean" or on-point, but also allows us to
>> each, individually, allow people find out more about who we are.
>>
>>
>>
>> That will prevent the APRC issues with approving content. That will
>> prevent fights over content on our party's website.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> ken
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2017-02-15 19:47, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> I think this is better discussed in person, but I am generally in
>> favour. Frankly what comes out sometimes has been sanitized to death and
>> we have become a bit sterile, and not the vibrant passion-filed wildfire to
>> liberty I see in our historical documents. This isn't meant as a
>> criticism, it is I think natural. And I think we have to consciously go
>> back to the vanguard voice.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This topic came up, if I recall correctly, early last term. When first
>> suggested, it made perfect sense to me - how can we, the board, delegate
>> the authority to do these things without having it? I lost interest as the
>> direction of the discussion turned towards wanting a uniformity of message
>> or tone, which pointed out to me some of the practical difficulties with
>> implementation.
>>
>>
>>
>> While Mr. Demarest is correct that, philosophically, it is nonsensical to
>> speak of organizations as having a voice, it isn't meant as a philosophical
>> claim, but rather as a description of how (some) organizations present
>> themselves. I want to ensure that everything that comes out from this
>> party, with our stamp of approval, is true, professional, on-message, and
>> strategic. We pay staff to do that (although they could do it better with
>> some advance strategic and image guidance from the board). Starchild
>> speaks of anything written by board members passing through the APRC, which
>> does solve the objection that, as I said separately, our position vis a vis
>> the party is as members of the board, not as individuals - would it also be
>> evaluated by staff for the things I mentioned, and possibly edited? If so,
>> will it be signed when it comes out?
>>
>>
>>
>> If it is, I find that problematic. Staff might not be in a great
>> position to say that a piece is not useful/timely/etc. to a person who
>> votes on their contract and pay. EPCC and EC members might be viewed
>> differently in this regard, as well. If not, well, we've made staff's job
>> of presenting this party to the world a little harder by providing another
>> channel outwards from the party, and it's not clear to me exactly what we'd
>> be getting in return. Yes, many of us may well have things worth saying,
>> and many of us do say them, in our personal capacity. Do we really have
>> such indispensible insights that they must be distributed by the party
>> itself? (If we do think that, well, feel free to organize a giveaway of my
>> book.) Personally, I am satisfied with staff and our chair being our
>> public voice. Certainly, of course, board members often make media
>> appearances and identify ourselves with our board position, speak at
>> various events, and so on, and I think that's all well and good, but,
>> again, we're not speaking as the party when we do that. At this point, it
>> is hard for me to see what is gained from this proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:24 AM, David Demarest <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Starchild: Your suggestion certainly opens a can of worms. However, it is
>> a can that must be opened if we are to effectively embrace our ideological
>> and methodological diversity and connect effectively with the broader
>> audience within and external to the Libertarian Party. Your blogging
>> brainstorm presents an exciting challenge and long-overdue opportunity to
>> develop and refine our personal Libertarian messaging technique and
>> targeting strategies.
>>
>>
>>
>> We need to keep in mind that individual living, breathing Libertarians
>> are the voices of our institutions, not vice versa. The notion that
>> inanimate institutions have a "voice" is philosophical nonsense and a
>> classic example of authoritarian groupthink that we Libertarians are or
>> should be fighting against.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are at least as many Libertarian philosophies as there are
>> Libertarians. Nevertheless, individual Libertarians each have inspirational
>> message worthy of an equally remarkable messaging technique and targeting
>> strategy. It is high time to develop innovative individual messaging
>> technique and targeting strategies so we can effectively communicate our
>> inspirational personal Libertarian messages of freedom.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel: I agree that website integrity takes precedence but should not be
>> used as a delaying tactic to prevent the discussion of the viability of
>> Starchild's ground-breaking blog proposal. While the website is a critical
>> tool, it is only a vehicle to express our individual voices, the core of
>> our Libertarianism.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>
>>
>> *Oct 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy Un-Convention*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>
>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>
>> Cell: 402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>
>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you volunteering to be in charge of rebuttals when
>> somebody says later, "Why didn't you propose that change when the website
>> was being overhauled, instead of waiting until now that we finally have
>> everything running smoothly!"?
>>
>>
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>> ((( starchild ))) At-Large
>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> (415) 625-FREE
>>
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Daniel Hayes wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Starchild,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Absolutely not at the moment. Let's get the website under control
>> first before we even talk about something like that.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Daniel
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Thanks, guys! I'll have to keep that in mind if I get really hard
>> up... Not that I'm convinced there's a great market for my advice; here on
>> the LNC, it's hard to even give it away sometimes, LOL. ;-)
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Regarding columns however, I do think LNC members being able to blog
>> on our website along with staff (of course what we write could likewise be
>> vetted by the Advertising & Publications Review Committee), with LP members
>> allowed to comment on those blog posts, would be a good idea that could
>> draw more traffic to our site, spur greater member
>> participation/engagement, and help spread the libertarian message. Perhaps
>> each LNC member could also have the option to publish an occasional column
>> in LP News, like the chair's column that appears every issue, but less
>> frequently. Anyone else interested in a motion on either or both of these
>> ideas?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Love & Liberty,
>>
>> >> ((( starchild ))) At-Large
>>
>> >> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> >> (415) 625-FREE
>>
>> >> @StarchildSF
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> P.S. – For those wondering what David and Daniel were referring to, it
>> was a response I wrote to a very long letter that was recently sent to a
>> number of LNC members (perhaps everyone on the committee, I didn't check).
>> Normally when I receive something that's sent to more than two or three LNC
>> members, I will respond and post my response to this list along with the
>> original letter, however I didn't initially do that in this case, because
>> the letter had basically nothing to do with the Libertarian Party and I
>> suspected people would generally not want to read it. When replying, in
>> fact, I "bcc'd" my LNC colleagues, which I normally don't do, lest she hit
>> "reply all" and send us all additional correspondence. Since it's now been
>> discussed (indirectly) on the list however, I've posted the correspondence
>> at bottom for the sake of transparency – and also in case anyone else
>> reading would like to write back to her with any words of encouragement or
>> other things that I should have said in my reply, but didn't.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> To put it gently, the writer appears to be experiencing "consensus
>> reality" a bit differently than most of us. But her final line (for those
>> who managed to read that far), also suggested possible suicidal tendencies,
>> which made me feel I should try to provide more than a cursory response. (I
>> haven't heard anything back, although it's only been a couple days.) She
>> did write to us for help, and she does have concerns about government –
>> although I think they may be less well-founded than the usual concerns that
>> libertarians have about government! Not that her letter contains any
>> particular indication that she is a libertarian, just someone who sounds
>> like she could use some help.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 AM, David Demarest wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Starchild,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I second Daniel's motion. Seriously, what a great idea! The next
>>
>> >>> challenge will be to find a media outlet worthy of a 'Dear
>>
>> >>> Starchild' column. Let's tackle that challenge head-on.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Thoughts?
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> ~David
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Oct 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy Un-Convention
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> >>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI) Secretary,
>>
>> >>> LPNE State Central Committee
>>
>> >>> Cell: 402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>
>> >>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> >>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] On Behalf
>>
>> >>> Of Daniel Hayes
>>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 12:06 AM
>>
>> >>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>
>> >>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Dear Starchild
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Starchild,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> You should get a "Dear Starchild" column in one of the remaining
>>
>> >>> print newspapers around the country. Take this comment entirely at
>> face value .
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Daniel
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> >>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>
>> >>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>
>> >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Julie Nguyen wrote:
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Every day it becomes more lawless. The government became stealer
>>
>> >>>> and robber. Before they had stolen some valueless things like brand
>>
>> >>>> new camera, brand new bed cover sheet set and other secondhand
>>
>> >>>> things. Now I lost three thousand dollars cash. They cannot cheat
>>
>> >>>> me to rob my money anymore, now they rob my money in other way. I
>>
>> >>>> may lose more money and my jewelery. Please stop them. Please help
>>
>> >>>> me to find a civil right attorney who dares to bring this evil to
>>
>> >>>> light. I want to do something to stop this dirty game.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I have been harassed, abused, hurt by the government for long time.
>>
>> >>>> They are pushing me to do and live the way they want. I don't do
>>
>> >>>> and will never accept it, so they block all ways of my life. I
>>
>> >>>> cannot find justice, no laws support me, all my rights have been
>>
>> >>>> trampled. All people can hurt me, cheat me, insult me and they are
>>
>> >>>> not punished by laws, they are all safe under the government
>>
>> >>>> protection. The harassment keeps increasing with time, now my life
>>
>> >>>> is completely deadlock.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> First, all people I knew such as neighbors, acquaintances... hinted
>>
>> >>>> me to join some groups of Vietnamese community; contact the family
>>
>> >>>> in Vietnam; sponsor some people from Vietnam to the US...; they
>>
>> >>>> directed me to get along with more other people of Asian races:
>>
>> >>>> Chinese, Japanese, Indian...; they had an attitude of superiority to
>>
>> >>>> my life, my personal
>>
>> >>>> things: the clothes I wore, the money I spent, the time I used...;
>>
>> >>>> they questioned me why I did this, why I did not do that... I
>> ignored
>>
>> >>>> and stopped contact them. From then on I had trouble everywhere, at
>>
>> >>>> home, at any business services, at public places... I had to wait
>> for
>>
>> >>>> long time at any business services, and the jobs were not done
>>
>> >>>> well, redid again and again. So I must see people longer and hear
>> what they said.
>>
>> >>>> They set the scene that I must see and have contact with Asian
>>
>> >>>> people at any fields and must do what they hinted. If I did not
>>
>> >>>> come to the right places or the right persons, I had no business
>>
>> >>>> services. If I did not do what they hinted, the harassment would
>> increase.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I don't care about politics. It is not my business if the
>>
>> >>>> government wants to support Asian people to have place in the
>>
>> >>>> system. But they have no rights to force me to follow their way. I
>>
>> >>>> will provide the main information for over ten years from the
>>
>> >>>> beginning to present, from low to high level of harassment.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> In 2003, I lived in the condominium at 4300 NE, Sunset Blvd F8,
>>
>> >>>> Renton, Washington 98059. I have been bothered by anonymous phone
>>
>> >>>> calls, day and night, every day, just asking some certain names or
>>
>> >>>> impolite talk. I tracked their phone numbers by using the local
>>
>> >>>> telephone company service, but I could not know what they were and
>>
>> >>>> filed a complaint to the Renton police department. They did not
>>
>> >>>> take any actions, and the problem still continued. I called the
>>
>> >>>> police few times later to request their help. They did not say or
>>
>> >>>> do anything, but the phone harassment was ended. I found out from
>>
>> >>>> the police that one phone call was from a Vietnamese man who was my
>>
>> >>>> insurance agent, and he moved to California few months later.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Next, a Vietnamese neighbor in unit F1 which was behind the wall of
>>
>> >>>> my bedroom. He bothered me by loud noise, and tried to get my
>>
>> >>>> attention by doing car wash in my parking lot, standing in front of
>>
>> >>>> me... Some strange cars often parked in my parking lot when I got
>>
>> >>>> home late in the evening. They installed a device furtively into
>>
>> >>>> the smoke alarm in my bedroom. It sounded a big noise every two
>>
>> >>>> seconds. They did spot jamming on some TV channel. It was a start
>>
>> >>>> time people let me wait long time at some business services at some
>> locations.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> One day the food waste disposer did not work. I called many people
>>
>> >>>> to fix it, but all of them refused to do. Later I asked the right
>>
>> >>>> man that they wanted him to do for me, he came quickly.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> At the same time, I began to receive a lot of junk mails for the
>>
>> >>>> receiver's name Phong Nguyen. I had lived at this address for
>>
>> >>>> several years before, and had never had any correspondence with
>>
>> >>>> that name, and nobody in my home had that name either. It was a
>>
>> >>>> huge amount of junk mails every day to the day I moved out.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> In January 2005 I moved to the new house at 2407 Camas Ave NE,
>>
>> >>>> Renton, Washington 98056. The builder, Crescent Home, intended to
>>
>> >>>> make a lot of mistakes. The tiles were not placed correctly, the
>>
>> >>>> sink leaked water, and the nails came out on some areas under the
>>
>> >>>> carpet. It was really painful if someone accidentally stepped on.
>>
>> >>>> The builder did not want to fix the mistakes until I wanted to take
>>
>> >>>> the problem to the third party.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> At this house on the Camas Ave., I continued to receive junk mails
>>
>> >>>> for the receiver's name Phong Nguyen with my new address on the
>>
>> >>>> junk mails. One day, I received a cell phone bill from Sprint
>>
>> >>>> Company for Phong Nguyen at my new address on it. I called the
>> Sprint Company.
>>
>> >>>> People did not want to talk to me, they let me wait for long time
>>
>> >>>> then disconnected the line. I had to call many times until they
>>
>> >>>> talked to me. I warned them that nobody in this house knew Phong
>>
>> >>>> Nguyen, if I still received the bill for Phong Nguyen at my
>>
>> >>>> address, I would file a complaint to the District Attorney. After
>>
>> >>>> that they stopped the mail harassment.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Cheating and delaying had been increased to new level.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> The technician from ADT monitor security protection did not come to
>>
>> >>>> install the system. At the end of the day we had to call them to
>>
>> >>>> reschedule to another day while they requested us had to be home at
>>
>> >>>> that time, if not, we had to pay for that fault. Then the
>>
>> >>>> technician did not do a good job, redid again.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Other business services did the same.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> At this new address. The Vietnamese man next door bothered me
>>
>> >>>> terribly. Besides making noise he always stayed before me to do
>>
>> >>>> provocative actions every time I came out. To avoid having trouble
>>
>> >>>> with the neighbor, I moved to another place after less than two
>>
>> >>>> years living there.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I moved to the new house at 4005 NE 21st Street, Renton, Washington
>>
>> >>>> 98056 in October 2006. The builder, American Classic, did the same
>>
>> >>>> like the other builder: The sink leaked water, the power system did
>>
>> >>>> not work well... The technician kept coming back many times, and the
>>
>> >>>> mistakes still remained to the day I moved out.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> At this location, after installing the alarm system in the house,
>>
>> >>>> the Pinnacle Security technician told me that I had to call the
>>
>> >>>> Indian guy's cell phone one a month, so he would come to check the
>>
>> >>>> system, it was a requirement (there were two guys at that time). I
>>
>> >>>> canceled the service immediately, and the main device immediately
>>
>> >>>> sounded noisily, a big noise every two seconds even I had taken it
>>
>> >>>> off the wall and thrown out of the house.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> The Asian neighbors in the front and in the back of the house did
>>
>> >>>> the same like the other neighbors. They tried to catch me every
>>
>> >>>> time I came out to get my attention on them.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> They installed some devices furtively again into each smoke alarm
>>
>> >>>> in the house. They sounded a big noise every two seconds. I had to
>>
>> >>>> disconnect the power line to all of them.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> · A & E Factory Service – North West Service District: 4786
>>
>> >>>> First Ave. S, Seattle, Washington 98134; phone: 800-905-9505
>> <(800)%20905-9505>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> After two years living on the 21st Street, they damaged the
>>
>> >>>> dishwasher when nobody was home. I called A & E Factory Service
>>
>> >>>> many times, and fought with people on the phone because it costed
>>
>> >>>> my money and time, but the dishwasher never got done. Their
>>
>> >>>> technician came to my house many times, they pretended to repair
>>
>> >>>> it, after they left the dishwasher remained not working. Each time
>>
>> >>>> I called, they gave appointment after five days or over. One time,
>>
>> >>>> just a few minutes after the technician left, the dishwasher got
>>
>> >>>> fire. I had to call the fire department. It was repaired a year
>>
>> >>>> later after I had sent out all of the harassment to a lot of people.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> They kept damaging something in the house after the other things
>>
>> >>>> had been fixed, so if something was not a major part, I had to bear
>>
>> >>>> with it.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> · Qwest Services: Home telephone, cell phone, internet,
>>
>> >>>> digital TV (Direct TV): P.O. Box 2678, Omaha, NE 68103; phone:
>>
>> >>>> 800-244-1111 <(800)%20244-1111>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> *Home telephone: After I had moved into the new house on the
>>
>> >>>> 21st Street for few months, the home telephone line did not work. I
>>
>> >>>> had to pay for the technician of Qwest to come in to fix it. From
>>
>> >>>> then on the phone line was controlled. If I called law offices, the
>>
>> >>>> American Civil Liberties Union or other people to get legal help,
>>
>> >>>> the phone line was very noisy, or I could not hear people who were
>>
>> >>>> on the phone line with me.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> *Internet: It could stop working at any time, especially when
>>
>> >>>> I searched for legal service. One time I had to call the Qwest
>>
>> >>>> Internet
>>
>> >>>> 24 Hours Service for the whole night because they hung up or did
>>
>> >>>> not answer the phone.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> *Cell phone: Qwest and Verizon Wireless cheated me by informed
>>
>> >>>> me that Qwest and Verizon Wireless worked together, I could renew
>>
>> >>>> the contract either with Qwest or Verizon Wireless, and the fee
>>
>> >>>> would be the same. I renewed with Verizon Wireless, then the fee
>>
>> >>>> was higher than it had been. I canceled the service and agreed to
>>
>> >>>> pay one hundred seventy five dollars for early end contracted, but
>>
>> >>>> again the amount was higher than that. I did not pay, and they put
>>
>> >
>>
>>
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