[Lnc-business] LNC blogging / LP News columns

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I find Arvin's points persuasive and would not be in favour of the
alternate.

-Caryn Ann

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> I don't think alternates can *formally* make motions Ken, but the
> distinction is minimal; you or anyone with access to this list can post
> proposed language for a motion, and any libertarian reading this and not
> able to post to the LNC list who has ideas for a motion can send them to
> me, and I will post them here.
>
> But what do you all think of Arvin's suggestion? I think he makes a good
> point about links to our personal websites not doing much to draw traffic
> to LP.org, which imho ought to be one of the goals here. Not that I have
> a problem with links to outside sites – I continue to feel that we should
> link more movement sites like Libertarian Republic on the liberty links
> page (https://www.lp.org/liberty-links/), and don't see anything wrong
> with Ken's proposal, as far as it goes, though I agree that an LNC member
> having a personal link on LP.org to a site in which they had a financial
> interest would be questionable. However it does little to address the
> bullet points I raised in my previous message below.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                   ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                (415) 625-FREE
>                                  @StarchildSF
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>
> Yes.  Dr. Ruwart did post blogs in the past. As did Wayne Root, and
> others. The problem, of course, is that when a member posts a blog entry on
> LP.org, they're creating confusion for the public as to who that person
> is speaking for -- the individual or the party? Will APRC really say no to
> a fellow LNC member?
>
> Anyway, my compromise idea was come upon to meet several goals, including
> keeping the site cleaner and on-point while also allowing LNC members to
> have a way to have their personal opinion easily found.
>
> If I remember correctly, I can make a motion, but it doesn't count toward
> the number of sponsors. Also, it doesn't look like many people support the
> idea. So to keep things clean, I'm not going to make such a motion unless
> more members want the compromise proposal.
>
> ken
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So much this.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 9:52 AM Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Having LNC blogging on LP.org, subject to APRC review, is a good idea.
>>>
>>> First, we already have people producing content on facebook, personal
>>> blogs, etc. While what goes out on facebook sometimes tends to be more
>>> incendiary, there is also plenty of content that is toned down and entirely
>>> appropriate for the website.
>>>
>>> More importantly, it draws people to LP.org, where they can then learn
>>> how to volunteer, run for office, donate, etc. That part is the more
>>> important part. LP.org should be exciting, not tedious. People should
>>> want to go there to see what's new.
>>>
>>> I would generally oppose personal website linkage from LP.org. That
>>> doesn't bring people to LP.org site, but rather just advertises our own
>>> personal web pages. I don't think it is at all appropriate for LP.org
>>> to be used in that way. As a simple example, if Austin Petersen were on the
>>> LNC, would it be considered above board to link to The Libertarian
>>> Republic, his ad-supported news page?
>>>
>>> It also robs Lp.org of all viral marketing. Under this suggestion, if a
>>> post goes viral, it will just send people to the LNC member's personal
>>> webpage. If content is hosted at LP.org, viral posts will bring people
>>> back to Lp.org.
>>>
>>> In terms of staff response: I believe this may be underestimating our
>>> staff. Staff in the past has been very quick to oppose phrasing that they
>>> consider problematic, or facebook memes they consider problematic, etc.
>>> Staff members have been perfectly open with suggested rewrites of my
>>> materials, or of the writing put out by the Chair.
>>>
>>> I recommend we take steps roughly like this:
>>>
>>> 1. Do a 2 month test run with a few LNC volunteers, ideally those who
>>> have some kind of measurable track record.
>>>
>>> 2. Maintain APRC oversight on blog content, as is done now with blog
>>> content.
>>>
>>> 3. At the end of the trial period, revisit the issue.
>>>
>>> Note that similar things have been done successfully in the past. Dr.
>>> Ruwart and others posted things at lp.org, and the long term virality
>>> of those posts kept bringing people back to lp.org.
>>>
>>> Let's make LP.org an exciting destination. The potential gains are
>>> huge, and the risk is minor.
>>>
>>> -Arvin
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 10:35 AM, David Demarest <
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ken, if you offer your compromise in a motion, I will co-sponsor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am excited about this opportunity!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Oct 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy Un-Convention*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>
>>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>>
>>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>>
>>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net]
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 18, 2017 9:31 AM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Cc:* 'Ken Moellman' <ken.moellman at lpky.org>; 'David Demarest' <
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net>; dprattdemarest at gmail.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] LNC blogging / LP News columns
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I like Ken’s suggestion for a "Personal Website link under the image of
>>> each LNC member who wishes it”. His proposal is an excellent compromise
>>> and very practical starting point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ken’s approach would not only simplify the APRC task of keeping the LNC
>>> collaborative message on point. It would also achieve Starchild’s purpose
>>> of encouraging individual LNC members to speak their mind in a setting that
>>> that gives them the freedom to express their individual Libertarian
>>> perspective without the imperative to regurgitate the necessarily cleansed
>>> official collaborative LNC message.
>>>
>>> The text of our individual links under our LNC page images could say
>>> “Dear Starchild”, “Dear Ken”, “Dear Caryn Ann”, “Dear Joshua”, “Dear
>>> Daniel”, “Dear David”, et cetera. LOL – that would likely draw some traffic
>>> and enhance the official collaborative LNC message while maintaining the
>>> Libertarian spirit of individual voices of freedom!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ken, what a great compromise!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Oct 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy Un-Convention*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>
>>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>>
>>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>>
>>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Starchild
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 18, 2017 8:30 AM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Cc:* Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] LNC blogging / LP News columns
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             The point of having a more interactive website, with more
>>> blogging and ability for site visitors to post comments, isn't only to help
>>> people find out more about who we as LNC members are, although that would
>>> be one benefit. Other positives would likely include:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> • Drawing more traffic to our website, thereby raising it in search
>>> rankings, and making more people more likely to discover it, resulting in
>>> more inquiries, memberships, donations, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> • Giving the LP the bandwidth to publicly address topical issues with
>>> greater frequency than we do now, and increasing the likelihood of media
>>> coverage of our statements
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> • Making the party more participatory and bottom-up by decentralizing
>>> power a bit and giving members more of a soapbox than they are currently
>>> allowed to have
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> • Reinvigorating the party and making LP News and LP.org more
>>> interesting to read by having more Libertarian voices and less
>>> institutionalism and sterility, as per David and Caryn Ann's comments below
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>>                                   ((( starchild )))
>>>
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>>                                (415) 625-FREE
>>>
>>>                                  @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A personal website is even more problematic... would rather things be
>>> vetted by APRC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to propose a compromise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How about, on the LNC members page, we put a "Personal Website" link
>>> under the image of each LNC member who wishes it.  In that scenario, it
>>> keeps the primary LP.org "clean" or on-point, but also allows us to
>>> each, individually, allow people find out more about who we are.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That will prevent the APRC issues with approving content.  That will
>>> prevent fights over content on our party's website.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a thought.
>>>
>>> ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-02-15 19:47, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> I think this is better discussed in person, but I am generally in
>>> favour.  Frankly what comes out sometimes has been sanitized to death and
>>> we have become a bit sterile, and not the vibrant passion-filed wildfire to
>>> liberty I see in our historical documents.  This isn't meant as a
>>> criticism, it is I think natural.  And I think we have to consciously go
>>> back to the vanguard voice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This topic came up, if I recall correctly, early last term.  When first
>>> suggested, it made perfect sense to me - how can we, the board, delegate
>>> the authority to do these things without having it?  I lost interest as the
>>> direction of the discussion turned towards wanting a uniformity of message
>>> or tone, which pointed out to me some of the practical difficulties with
>>> implementation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While Mr. Demarest is correct that, philosophically, it is nonsensical
>>> to speak of organizations as having a voice, it isn't meant as a
>>> philosophical claim, but rather as a description of how (some)
>>> organizations present themselves.  I want to ensure that everything that
>>> comes out from this party, with our stamp of approval, is true,
>>> professional, on-message, and strategic.  We pay staff to do that (although
>>> they could do it better with some advance strategic and image guidance from
>>> the board).  Starchild speaks of anything written by board members passing
>>> through the APRC, which does solve the objection that, as I said
>>> separately, our position vis a vis the party is as members of the board,
>>> not as individuals - would it also be evaluated by staff for the things I
>>> mentioned, and possibly edited?  If so, will it be signed when it comes
>>> out?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If it is, I find that problematic.  Staff might not be in a great
>>> position to say that a piece is not useful/timely/etc. to a person who
>>> votes on their contract and pay.  EPCC and EC members might be viewed
>>> differently in this regard, as well.  If not, well, we've made staff's job
>>> of presenting this party to the world a little harder by providing another
>>> channel outwards from the party, and it's not clear to me exactly what we'd
>>> be getting in return.  Yes, many of us may well have things worth saying,
>>> and many of us do say them, in our personal capacity.  Do we really have
>>> such indispensible insights that they must be distributed by the party
>>> itself?  (If we do think that, well, feel free to organize a giveaway of my
>>> book.)  Personally, I am satisfied with staff and our chair being our
>>> public voice.  Certainly, of course, board members often make media
>>> appearances and identify ourselves with our board position, speak at
>>> various events, and so on, and I think that's all well and good, but,
>>> again, we're not speaking as the party when we do that.  At this point, it
>>> is hard for me to see what is gained from this proposal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:24 AM, David Demarest <
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Starchild: Your suggestion certainly opens a can of worms. However, it
>>> is a can that must be opened if we are to effectively embrace our
>>> ideological and methodological diversity and connect effectively with the
>>> broader audience within and external to the Libertarian Party. Your
>>> blogging brainstorm presents an exciting challenge and long-overdue
>>> opportunity to develop and refine our personal Libertarian messaging
>>> technique and targeting strategies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We need to keep in mind that individual living, breathing Libertarians
>>> are the voices of our institutions, not vice versa. The notion that
>>> inanimate institutions have a "voice" is philosophical nonsense and a
>>> classic example of authoritarian groupthink that we Libertarians are or
>>> should be fighting against.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are at least as many Libertarian philosophies as there are
>>> Libertarians. Nevertheless, individual Libertarians each have inspirational
>>> message worthy of an equally remarkable messaging technique and targeting
>>> strategy. It is high time to develop innovative individual messaging
>>> technique and targeting strategies so we can effectively communicate our
>>> inspirational personal Libertarian messages of freedom.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel: I agree that website integrity takes precedence but should not
>>> be used as a delaying tactic to prevent the discussion of the viability of
>>> Starchild's ground-breaking blog proposal. While the website is a critical
>>> tool, it is only a vehicle to express our individual voices, the core of
>>> our Libertarianism.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Oct 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy Un-Convention*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>
>>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>>
>>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>>
>>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Are you volunteering to be in charge of rebuttals when
>>> somebody says later, "Why didn't you propose that change when the website
>>> was being overhauled, instead of waiting until now that we finally have
>>> everything running smoothly!"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>>                                   ((( starchild ))) At-Large
>>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>>                                (415) 625-FREE
>>>
>>>                                   @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Daniel Hayes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Starchild,
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Absolutely not at the moment.  Let's get the website under control
>>> first before we even talk about something like that.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Daniel
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >> On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>   Thanks, guys!  I'll have to keep that in mind if I get really hard
>>> up... Not that I'm convinced there's a great market for my advice; here on
>>> the LNC, it's hard to even give it away sometimes, LOL.   ;-)
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>   Regarding columns however, I do think LNC members being able to
>>> blog on our website along with staff (of course what we write could
>>> likewise be vetted by the Advertising & Publications Review Committee),
>>> with LP members allowed to comment on those blog posts, would be a good
>>> idea that could draw more traffic to our site, spur greater member
>>> participation/engagement, and help spread the libertarian message. Perhaps
>>> each LNC member could also have the option to publish an occasional column
>>> in LP News, like the chair's column that appears every issue, but less
>>> frequently. Anyone else interested in a motion on either or both of these
>>> ideas?
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >> Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>> >>                                  ((( starchild ))) At-Large
>>>
>>> >> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>> >>                               (415) 625-FREE
>>>
>>> >>                                  @StarchildSF
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >> P.S. – For those wondering what David and Daniel were referring to,
>>> it was a response I wrote to a very long letter that was recently sent to a
>>> number of LNC members (perhaps everyone on the committee, I didn't check).
>>> Normally when I receive something that's sent to more than two or three LNC
>>> members, I will respond and post my response to this list along with the
>>> original letter, however I didn't initially do that in this case, because
>>> the letter had basically nothing to do with the Libertarian Party and I
>>> suspected people would generally not want to read it. When replying, in
>>> fact, I "bcc'd" my LNC colleagues, which I normally don't do, lest she hit
>>> "reply all" and send us all additional correspondence.  Since it's now been
>>> discussed (indirectly) on the list however, I've posted the correspondence
>>> at bottom for the sake of transparency – and also in case anyone else
>>> reading would like to write back to her with any words of encouragement or
>>> other things that I should have said in my reply, but didn't.
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >> To put it gently, the writer appears to be experiencing "consensus
>>> reality" a bit differently than most of us. But her final line (for those
>>> who managed to read that far), also suggested possible suicidal tendencies,
>>> which made me feel I should try to provide more than a cursory response. (I
>>> haven't heard anything back, although it's only been a couple days.) She
>>> did write to us for help, and she does have concerns about government –
>>> although I think they may be less well-founded than the usual concerns that
>>> libertarians have about government! Not that her letter contains any
>>> particular indication that she is a libertarian, just someone who sounds
>>> like she could use some help.
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 AM, David Demarest wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> Starchild,
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> I second Daniel's motion. Seriously, what a great idea! The next
>>>
>>> >>> challenge will be to find a media outlet worthy of a 'Dear
>>>
>>> >>> Starchild' column. Let's tackle that challenge head-on.
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> ~David
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> Oct 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy Un-Convention
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> >>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI) Secretary,
>>>
>>> >>> LPNE State Central Committee
>>>
>>> >>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>>
>>> >>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> >>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] On Behalf
>>>
>>> >>> Of Daniel Hayes
>>>
>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 12:06 AM
>>>
>>> >>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>
>>> >>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Dear Starchild
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> Starchild,
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> You should get a "Dear Starchild" column in one of the remaining
>>>
>>> >>> print newspapers  around the country. Take this comment entirely at
>>> face value .
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> Daniel
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> >>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>
>>> >>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>
>>> >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Julie Nguyen wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> Every day it becomes more lawless. The government became stealer
>>>
>>> >>>> and robber. Before they had stolen some valueless things like brand
>>>
>>> >>>> new camera, brand new bed cover sheet set and other secondhand
>>>
>>> >>>> things. Now I lost three thousand dollars cash. They cannot cheat
>>>
>>> >>>> me to rob my money anymore, now they rob my money in other way. I
>>>
>>> >>>> may lose more money and my jewelery. Please stop them. Please help
>>>
>>> >>>> me to find a civil right attorney who dares to bring this evil to
>>>
>>> >>>> light. I want to do something to stop this dirty game.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> I have been harassed, abused, hurt by the government for long time.
>>>
>>> >>>> They are pushing me to do and live the way they want. I don't do
>>>
>>> >>>> and will never accept it, so they block all ways of my life. I
>>>
>>> >>>> cannot find justice, no laws support me, all my rights have been
>>>
>>> >>>> trampled. All people can hurt me, cheat me, insult me and they are
>>>
>>> >>>> not punished by laws, they are all safe under the government
>>>
>>> >>>> protection. The harassment keeps increasing with time, now my life
>>>
>>> >>>> is completely deadlock.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> First, all people I knew such as neighbors, acquaintances... hinted
>>>
>>> >>>> me to join some groups of Vietnamese community; contact the family
>>>
>>> >>>> in Vietnam; sponsor some people from Vietnam to the US...; they
>>>
>>> >>>> directed me to get along with more other people of Asian races:
>>>
>>> >>>> Chinese, Japanese, Indian...; they had an attitude of superiority
>>> to
>>>
>>> >>>> my life, my personal
>>>
>>> >>>> things: the clothes I wore, the money I spent, the time I used...;
>>>
>>> >>>> they questioned me why I did this, why I did not do that... I
>>> ignored
>>>
>>> >>>> and stopped contact them. From then on I had trouble everywhere, at
>>>
>>> >>>> home, at any business services, at public places... I had to wait
>>> for
>>>
>>> >>>> long time at any business services, and the jobs were not done
>>>
>>> >>>> well, redid again and again. So I must see people longer and hear
>>> what they said.
>>>
>>> >>>> They set the scene that I must see and have contact with Asian
>>>
>>> >>>> people at any fields and must do what they hinted. If I did not
>>>
>>> >>>> come to the right places or the right persons, I had no business
>>>
>>> >>>> services. If I did not do what they hinted, the harassment would
>>> increase.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> I don't care about politics. It is not my business if the
>>>
>>> >>>> government wants to support Asian people to have place in the
>>>
>>> >>>> system. But they have no rights to force me to follow their way. I
>>>
>>> >>>> will provide the main information for over ten years from the
>>>
>>> >>>> beginning to present, from low to high level of harassment.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> In 2003, I lived in the condominium at 4300 NE, Sunset Blvd F8,
>>>
>>> >>>> Renton, Washington 98059. I have been bothered by anonymous phone
>>>
>>> >>>> calls, day and night, every day, just asking some certain names or
>>>
>>> >>>> impolite talk. I tracked their phone numbers by using the local
>>>
>>> >>>> telephone company service, but I could not know what they were and
>>>
>>> >>>> filed a complaint to the Renton police department. They did not
>>>
>>> >>>> take any actions, and the problem still continued. I called the
>>>
>>> >>>> police few times later to request their help. They did not say or
>>>
>>> >>>> do anything, but the phone harassment was ended. I found out from
>>>
>>> >>>> the police that one phone call was from a Vietnamese man who was my
>>>
>>> >>>> insurance agent, and he moved to California few months later.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> Next, a Vietnamese neighbor in unit F1 which was behind the wall of
>>>
>>> >>>> my bedroom. He bothered me by loud noise, and tried to get my
>>>
>>> >>>> attention by doing car wash in my parking lot, standing in front of
>>>
>>> >>>> me... Some strange cars often parked in my parking lot when I got
>>>
>>> >>>> home late in the evening. They installed a device furtively into
>>>
>>> >>>> the smoke alarm in my bedroom. It sounded a big noise every two
>>>
>>> >>>> seconds. They did spot jamming on some TV channel. It was a start
>>>
>>> >>>> time people let me wait long time at some business services at some
>>> locations.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> One day the food waste disposer did not work. I called many people
>>>
>>> >>>> to fix it, but all of them refused to do. Later I asked the right
>>>
>>> >>>> man that they wanted him to do for me, he came quickly.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> At the same time, I began to receive a lot of junk mails for the
>>>
>>> >>>> receiver's name Phong Nguyen. I had lived at this address for
>>>
>>> >>>> several years before, and had never had any correspondence with
>>>
>>> >>>> that name, and nobody in my home had that name either. It was a
>>>
>>> >>>> huge amount of junk mails every day to the day I moved out.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> In January 2005 I moved to the new house at 2407 Camas Ave NE,
>>>
>>> >>>> Renton, Washington 98056. The builder, Crescent Home, intended to
>>>
>>> >>>> make a lot of mistakes. The tiles were not placed correctly, the
>>>
>>> >>>> sink leaked water, and the nails came out on some areas under the
>>>
>>> >>>> carpet. It was really painful if someone accidentally stepped on.
>>>
>>> >>>> The builder did not want to fix the mistakes until I wanted to take
>>>
>>> >>>> the problem to the third party.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> At this house on the Camas Ave., I continued to receive junk mails
>>>
>>> >>>> for the receiver's name Phong Nguyen with my new address on the
>>>
>>> >>>> junk mails. One day, I received a cell phone bill from Sprint
>>>
>>> >>>> Company for Phong Nguyen at my new address on it. I called the
>>> Sprint Company.
>>>
>>> >>>> People did not want to talk to me, they let me wait for long time
>>>
>>> >>>> then disconnected the line. I had to call many times until they
>>>
>>> >>>> talked to me. I warned them that nobody in this house knew Phong
>>>
>>> >>>> Nguyen, if I still received the bill for Phong Nguyen at my
>>>
>>> >>>> address, I would file a complaint to the District Attorney. After
>>>
>>> >>>> that they stopped the mail harassment.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> Cheating and delaying had been increased to new level.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> The technician from ADT monitor security protection did not come to
>>>
>>> >>>> install the system. At the end of the day we had to call them to
>>>
>>> >>>> reschedule to another day while they requested us had to be home at
>>>
>>> >>>> that time, if not, we had to pay for that fault. Then the
>>>
>>> >>>> technician did not do a good job, redid again.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> Other business services did the same.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> At this new address. The Vietnamese man next door bothered me
>>>
>>> >>>> terribly. Besides making noise he always stayed before me to do
>>>
>>> >>>> provocative actions every time I came out. To avoid having trouble
>>>
>>> >>>> with the neighbor, I moved to another place after less than two
>>>
>>> >>>> years living there.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> I moved to the new house at 4005 NE 21st Street, Renton, Washington
>>>
>>> >>>> 98056 in October 2006. The builder, American Classic, did the same
>>>
>>> >>>> like the other builder: The sink leaked water, the power system did
>>>
>>> >>>> not work well... The technician kept coming back many times, and
>>> the
>>>
>>> >>>> mistakes still remained to the day I moved out.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> At this location, after installing the alarm system in the house,
>>>
>>> >>>> the Pinnacle Security technician told me that I had to call the
>>>
>>> >>>> Indian guy's cell phone one a month, so he would come to check the
>>>
>>> >>>> system, it was a requirement (there were two guys at that time). I
>>>
>>> >>>> canceled the service immediately, and the main device immediately
>>>
>>> >>>> sounded noisily, a big noise every two seconds even I had taken it
>>>
>>> >>>> off the wall and thrown out of the house.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> The Asian neighbors in the front and in the back of the house did
>>>
>>> >>>> the same like the other neighbors. They tried to catch me every
>>>
>>> >>>> time I came out to get my attention on them.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> They installed some devices furtively again into each smoke alarm
>>>
>>> >>>> in the house. They sounded a big noise every two seconds. I had to
>>>
>>> >>>> disconnect the power line to all of them.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> ·         A & E Factory Service – North West Service District: 4786
>>>
>>> >>>> First Ave. S, Seattle, Washington 98134; phone: 800-905-9505
>>> <(800)%20905-9505>
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> After two years living on the 21st Street, they damaged the
>>>
>>> >>>> dishwasher when nobody was home. I called A & E Factory Service
>>>
>>> >>>> many times, and fought with people on the phone because it costed
>>>
>>> >>>> my money and time, but the dishwasher never got done. Their
>>>
>>> >>>> technician came to my house many times, they pretended to repair
>>>
>>> >>>> it, after they left the dishwasher remained not working. Each time
>>>
>>> >>>> I called, they gave appointment after five days or over. One time,
>>>
>>> >>>> just a few minutes after the technician left, the dishwasher got
>>>
>>> >>>> fire. I had to call the fire department. It was repaired a year
>>>
>>> >>>> later after I had sent out all of the harassment to a lot of people.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> They kept damaging something in the house after the other things
>>>
>>> >>>> had been fixed, so if something was not a major part, I had to bear
>>>
>>> >>>> with it.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>> ·         Qwest Services: Home telephone, cell phone, internet,
>>>
>>> >>>> digital TV (Direct TV): P.O. Box 2678, Omaha, NE 68103; phone:
>>>
>>> >>>> 800-244-1111 <(800)%20244-1111>
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>>      *Home telephone: After I had moved into the new house on the
>>>
>>> >>>> 21st Street for few months, the home telephone line did not work. I
>>>
>>> >>>> had to pay for the technician of Qwest to come in to fix it. From
>>>
>>> >>>> then on the phone line was controlled. If I called law offices, the
>>>
>>> >>>> American Civil Liberties Union or other people to get legal help,
>>>
>>> >>>> the phone line was very noisy, or I could not hear people who were
>>>
>>> >>>> on the phone line with me.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>>      *Internet: It could stop working at any time, especially when
>>>
>>> >>>> I searched for legal service. One time I had to call the Qwest
>>>
>>> >>>> Internet
>>>
>>> >>>> 24 Hours Service for the whole night because they hung up or did
>>>
>>> >>>> not answer the phone.
>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> >>>>      *Cell phone: Qwest and Verizon Wireless cheated me by informed
>>>
>>> >>>> me that Qwest and Verizon Wireless worked together, I could renew
>>>
>>> >>>> the contract either with Qwest or Verizon Wireless, and the fee
>>>
>>> >>>> would be the same. I renewed with Verizon Wireless, then the fee
>>>
>>> >>>> was higher than it had been. I canceled the service and agreed to
>>>
>>> >>>> pay one hundred seventy five dollars for early end contracted, but
>>>
>>> >>>> again the amount was higher than that. I did not pay, and they put
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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