[Lnc-business] For your consideration...(Cuban Prisoner Resolution)

Wed Mar 1 08:50:45 EST 2017

Patrick,

I agree on the semantics hair-splitting but let’s get this resolution vote out of the way and move on to your wise suggestion to focus on Trump’s authoritarian agenda. Okay with you?

Thoughts?

~David

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~David Pratt Demarest

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Patrick McKnight
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 7:45 AM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] For your consideration...(Cuban Prisoner Resolution)

I'm confused. Why is the LNC spending it's time splitting hairs over the wording of symbolic resolutions about Central American dictatorships when the rest of the country is galvanising against Trump's authoritarian agenda here at home?

Thanks,

Patrick McKnight

On Mar 1, 2017 7:57 AM, "David Demarest" <dpdemarest at centurylink.net <mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net> > wrote:

Thanks Alicia.

Whitney and Caryn Ann, are you okay with narrowing this motion down to one version?

If so, Whitney, can you formally offer the following revised motion incorporating the word “strongly” or reiterate your previous version using the word “wholeheartedly”? I will co-sponsor and vote “YES” on either version. Let’s formalize the final version being offered, solicit two more co-sponsors and move on to an email vote. Whitney and Caryn Ann, how does that work for you?

The Libertarian National Committee strongly opposes the unjust arrest and detention of peaceful individuals.  The arrests on February 2, 2017, and subsequent detention of libertarian activists, Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel Velazquez, in Cuba illustrate the threats to freedom we all face around the world.

The Libertarian Party calls on the Cuban government to immediately release details of the above-mentioned arrests and detentions, including the specific charges being levied against the individuals in question.  In the absence of such information, we call for the release of these prisoners.  

Libertarian activism worldwide must not be deterred by the attempts of authoritarian leaders, totalitarian governments, and dictatorial regimes to silence the voice of freedom.  We condemn any acts of official oppression, and uphold the promotion of limited government and free markets in any country.  Furthermore, we call on the U.S. Department of State to publicly denounce violations of the right to free speech, the right to peaceably assemble, and the right to due process abroad.

Thoughts?

~David

Dec 28-Jan 1 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy New Year’s Extravaganza

Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE

~David Pratt Demarest

LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)

Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee

Cell:      402-981-6469 <tel:(402)%20981-6469> 

Home: 402-493-0873 <tel:(402)%20493-0873> 

From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> ] On Behalf Of Alicia Mattson
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 3:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] For your consideration...(Cuban Prisoner Resolution)

David,  

None of the versions have achieved the 4 co-sponsors to become an email ballot.  If you'll check back through the related threads, you'll find that:

Joshua Katz offered an option.  Ms. Harlos wanted to co-sponsor only part of it and then said she would offer a different version.  You said you may co-sponsor part of it but would wait to see what Caryn Ann drafted.

Caryn Ann then put a version out, which was co-sponsored by you and Joshua.

Whitney Bilyeu's version has been co-sponsored by you and Caryn Ann.

-Alicia

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 11:01 AM, David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com <mailto:dprattdemarest at gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks Whitney!

Alicia, where are we on co-sponsors or settling on a final revised version?

Let's get the necessary co-sponsors and vote before it becomes a moot point.

Thoughts?

On Feb 28, 2017 12:52 PM, "Whitney Bilyeu" <whitneycb76 at gmail.com <mailto:whitneycb76 at gmail.com> > wrote:

I agree with David's substitution of the word 'strongly'!

Whitney Bilyeu

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 12:44 PM, David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com <mailto:dprattdemarest at gmail.com> > wrote:

I would substitute "strongly" for "wholeheartedly" but since both words fail the emotional test (not a valid test from my perspective because effective arguments connect at the emotional level first before moving on to the objective level) which would suggest that neither should be used.

However, in the interest of showing support for the two dissents in question before they die of old age or we conclude this hair-splitting semantics delaying tactic argument, whichever comes first, I will co-sponsor Whitney's otherwise excellent wording of this motion.

These debates are certainly (yes, emotional) enlightening but I am concerned (again, emotional) that we will all die of old age before we reach a consensus on important issues before it is too (emotional) late and they become moot points.

Perhaps we should focus instead on inspiring and empowering individual grassroots Libertarians to go out and get stuff done without getting stuck in the quicksand of institutional authoritarian consensus and bureaucratic inertia. 

Thoughts?

On Feb 28, 2017 11:40 AM, "Whitney Bilyeu" <whitneycb76 at gmail.com <mailto:whitneycb76 at gmail.com> > wrote:

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The Libertarian National Committee wholeheartedly opposes the unjust arrest and detention of peaceful individuals.  The arrests on February 2, 2017, and subsequent detention of libertarian activists, Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel Velazquez, in Cuba illustrate the threats to freedom we all face around the world.

The Libertarian Party calls on the Cuban government to immediately release details of the above-mentioned arrests and detentions, including the specific charges being levied against the individuals in question.  In the absence of such information, we call for the release of these prisoners.  

Libertarian activism worldwide must not be deterred by the attempts of authoritarian leaders, totalitarian governments, and dictatorial regimes to silence the voice of freedom.  We condemn any acts of official oppression, and uphold the promotion of limited government and free markets in any country.  Furthermore, we call on the U.S. Department of State to publicly denounce violations of the right to free speech, the right to peaceably assemble, and the right to due process abroad.  

----

Whitney Bilyeu

Region 7 Rep

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