[Lnc-business] Platform and Bylaws application

Mon Mar 6 01:02:31 EST 2017

Emails blasts are reviewed by the APRC.  Facebook posts are reviewed by the
APRC.  There is certainly a substantial difference between a meme and the
application for a committee that will be in charge of recommending changes
to our governing documents and information that is needed by at least some
of the LNC.  When this is a duty of the entire LNC, the entire LNC (or at
least those that have a concern) should have input on the form.  It is not
appropriate, IMHO, for one person to be the sole gatekeeper on that. I
object to that as someone who should have a say, on behalf of the nine
states in Region 1, in this process.

-Caryn Ann

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

> CAH>And one member should not have complete control over the very
> important wording of the application.<CAH
>
> We send email blasts all the time that are written by one person.
>
> As one of our Facebook admins, you make Facebook posts all by yourself in
> the name of the Libertarian Party.
>
> We don't have each one of those to come to the LNC email list for us to
> wordsmith first, and this discussion highlights why that wouldn't be a good
> idea.  We only require an APRC review for anything that violates
> bylaws/platform/policies, and then out they go to the universe...even
> though only one person wrote them.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Daniel did not pursue that and that is the only other suggestion - once
>> floated - and dropped.  Daniel did not volunteer to continue the
>> discussion.  I did and I think my POV is one of 4 members perhaps
>> (certainly of Arvin and I)- enough to float a motion if I am correct but
>> that shouldn't even be necessary.
>>
>> And yes they could.  They could write love  poems and green cheese
>> proposals.  But as we have taken it upon ourselves to suggest things, the
>> one thing that is absolutely directly relevant and a key point that some of
>> us explicitly want to review, it is equipping the candidates to assist the
>> LNC.
>>
>> Again the resistance is baffling.  I never  dreamed my compromise
>> reasonable request in email would blow up to such a controversy.
>>
>> And one member should not have complete control over the very important
>> wording of the application .
>>
>> As the Chair directed, we need to work it out amongst ourselves which is
>> more than just a unilateral decision.
>>
>> I mean do we actually have to have a motion and vote?
>>
>> I really hope not.
>>
>> My request is reasonable and relevant.  I really would like us to just
>> get this out and move on to other work here and in our state parties.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:33 PM Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tim, they DO have that option.  They can discuss anything they want to.
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is the cheeseburger in the Happy Meal made with green cheese?
>>>
>>> I would also support having an option for applicants for the Platform
>>> Committee to discuss political philosophy. On the other hand, it's not
>>> a factor that I would consider for the Bylaws Committee.
>>>
>>> Tim Hagan
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Aaron Starr <starrcpa at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:59 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Platform and Bylaws application
>>>
>>> Colleagues,
>>>
>>> Since my name came up, I figured I would respond.
>>>
>>> If there is one thing we have no shortage of in this party, it is people
>>> who know philosophy. That’s especially true with people who want to serve
>>> on a Platform Committee. Where we *do* have a shortage is in people who
>>> will actually do work and who can turn an idea into a well-crafted written
>>> proposal stated in grammatically correct English.
>>>
>>> When I mentioned having applicants write a proposal about “green cheese”
>>> I wasn’t suggesting that we ask applicants to come up with a platform
>>> proposal on that particular topic. My main point was that I want to see
>>> them put forward a written proposal, any proposal. Of course, if they
>>> actually do submit a proposal on green cheese, I will likely conclude that
>>> the applicant is several fries short of a Happy Meal.
>>>
>>> Aaron Starr
>>> (805) 583-3308 Home
>>> (805) 404-8693 Mobile
>>> starrcpa at gmail.com
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 6:26 PM
>>> *To:* Libertarian National Committee list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Platform and Bylaws application
>>>
>>> Whitney, it might for the one item they propose but that is one item
>>> that might be minor and not really philosophically based.  And as Aaron
>>> said during the meeting, the proposal could be about "green cheese" (I
>>> believe that was his example but if not exactly, it is similar) - it was to
>>> prove they could put a thought together.
>>>
>>> A sample proposal itself is pretty limited and just because one proposal
>>> might be a bit "off" they still could have a good grasp but need some
>>> guidance on what is appropriate fodder for a platform.
>>>
>>> Some people when in a productive group, as long as they have a
>>> foundation, can be focused as long as they have the principles.
>>>
>>> And this is precisely the discussion I wanted - thank you so much for
>>> your input.
>>>
>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Whitney I prefer my wording, but am open to a discussion. And yes I
>>> agree - optional - just like all of the other items.  My original position
>>> was required, and then seeing the proposed application language, I
>>> compromised to "optional" in an attempt to work things out.
>>>
>>> What libertarianism means to someone can be different from what is
>>> relevant to the platform.  That is what is wonderful about it - there is a
>>> lot of freedom in personal application.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Regardless of what transpired between the members involved so far, I
>>> could support the inclusion of an OPTIONAL item regarding the applicant's
>>> basic understanding of our Party's principles.
>>>
>>> Could it could be as simple as "Briefly describe what libertarianism
>>> means to you...."?
>>>
>>> Whitney
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 5, 2017 1:13 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Fellow members
>>>
>>> Last LNC meeting we decided to solicit applications for the LNC
>>> appointed members of the Bylaws and Platform Committees and some discussion
>>> arose on what should be included in the application request.  The final
>>> responsibility for getting a notice out and organizing responses lies with
>>> the Party Secretary but Nick directed that as far as content that we should
>>> work it out amongst ourselves.  To that end I volunteered to work with
>>> Alicia.  We have communicated but I am not satisfied that the result was
>>> working it out amongst ourselves. The result was that nothing was
>>> substantially changed from years past.
>>>
>>> Arvin and I (and I believe at least Starchild and David concur) believe
>>> that a request for a brief understanding of Libertarian philosophy should
>>> be included.  I softened that request to be in line with the way the form
>>> is currently written to be a "suggestion" (rather than a requirement)  for
>>> such along with other suggestions that the applicant could choose among.
>>> This was rejected and I just don't think that is a reasonable way to work
>>> it out amongst ourselves.  The result is no different than if I didn't
>>> volunteer input.
>>>
>>> I would like other members to weigh in on this.  I'm not trying to be
>>> difficult but I just don't think reasonable requests should be summarily
>>> rejected.
>>>
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>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
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