[Lnc-business] Discussion on proposed Motion on Records Move (historical committee)

Tue Mar 21 19:21:29 EDT 2017

I would financially support a crowd-funding effort at the the committee or
project level supplemented by a matching contribution from the LNC to
minimize LNC member budgetary concerns about treating the LNC as a cash
cow.

On Mar 21, 2017 5:21 PM, "Daniel Hayes" <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:

> Wes,
>
> You are the ED. I think this is an executive level decision that can be
> directed by the chair if need be.  If it's going to be crowd funded, then
> there is even less to worry about.  Different things motivate different
> people to donate.
>
> Once we go through all this stuff we may find we don't need much of this
> stuff and we can throw away the holy rent receipt from 1985.  It's scanned
> and stored and sent to be recycled.  Downsizing our clutter won't be a bad
> thing.
>
> I think this will save us money down the road.  What we don't need to do
> is burn 50 hours of staff time with endless emails back and forth. Do what
> ya need to do.
>
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:
>
> David, my backup plan, if Caryn Ann gets hit by a truck, is that my name,
> Robert Kraus's name, and Nick Sarwark's names will be on the storage unit
> lease. Caryn Ann's will be on it as as user with access, but not the owner
> of the contents or in control of the unit. LPHQ will have a copy of any
> keys to locks to the unit.
>
> AWOL activists is relatively common (whether by bus accident or change of
> heart), and is definitely something I've worried about and have been stung
> by in the past. Usually it has involved state party webmasters who
> disappear and refuse to turn over the keys to state party websites or
> county websites (or even the county party chairmanship itself).
>
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <(202)%20333-0008>, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>
> On 3/21/2017 5:42 PM, David Demarest wrote:
>
> Caryn Ann, your historical preservation initiative is outside my
> experience and not my cup of tea. I will, however, continue to support your
> worthwhile initiative and offer to co-sponsor an associated fund-raising
> motion when you get to that point.
>
> That being said, in regards to the archive move to Colorado, can you walk
> us through the backup plan in the event, heaven forbid, that you get hit by
> a truck?
>
> On Mar 21, 2017 4:27 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joshua, I could have spent the entire $5K originally budgeted already
>> if I didn't care to take a lot of care and maximize its value.  It is
>> allotted for professional scanning of records but I need to know what we
>> have in order to prioritize properly.  A volunteer started inventorying
>> (another one will be inventorying on Monday) and thus, the money will now
>> be started to be spent (though I am seeking volunteers wherever possible -
>> including, if necessary - me going out and spending time in VA to do some
>> work myself, not out of the budget, but out of my own personal money).  So
>> the original funds are for what I promised I would use them for, direct
>> preservation of the records.  In the time since the motion passed, the
>> committee was formed, a massive amount of work was done on LPedia (well
>> over fifty hours put into it - the disrepair it was in for over five years
>> was very very intensive to fix) to get it ready.  It is near ready - within
>> the next two weeks. Then the original budget will begin to be spent.  It
>> would have been financially irresponsible to do so before.  It is planned
>> through a pretty thorough committee to be spent by years end.  We are being
>> very cautious and responsible.  The bulk of the scanning will be done in
>> the third and fourth quarter.  Some has started with volunteers - I will
>> have some work product to show you well before the next LNC meeting, and of
>> course, a thorough report will be available for that meeting.
>>
>> Staff costs will be zero if items moved.  And I believe the cost after
>> fundraising will be low.  (I would not say zero due to the fungibility
>> issue as you say).
>>
>> If they remain, it stays at 5K (not 10K) plus staff costs (I have already
>> raised over 20%) - the move will eliminate staff costs and provide more
>> value towards the completion.  Either way, things will get done.  *More*
>> will get done and *better* if they are moved, but the committee will do
>> what it has to do either way.  In any event, I will do everything I can to
>> minimize staff time.  Since Wes' and I original discussions, a good system
>> has been arranged.  But the shipping (or coordination with a Virginia
>> scanning company) will have to be done.  If here, I would handle all of
>> that.
>>
>> The cost has not doubled - to be more efficient and a better project,
>> that is the preferred solution, but preservation will take place either way
>> as originally passed.
>>
>> I echo what Wes has said - the project will happen, the question is what
>> is the best product we could have.  The committee appointed is excellent
>> and there will be results.  I want the best and most results for something
>> the Party has let lay fallow for many years (and incidentally will calm the
>> complaints about LP.org to a great extent and head off future ones in
>> future upgrades).  And the net cost will be low ultimately.  It is not
>> going to be often (if ever again) that the Party will have someone eager
>> and willing to do this and who obviously is passionate about it.  I think
>> Wes is underestimating the exponential value of having it close to me at
>> 3X.  One thing I have proven, I get shit done. A lot.  And either way over
>> a thousand dollars is coming out of my pocket.  It can go to hotels, food,
>> and airline, or I can make that contribution to the Party along with
>> probably twenty thousand dollars of professional time if I took that time
>> and got paid for it doing another job rather than donating as I am offering.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Before venturing an opinion on the two proposals before us, I would ask
>>> to see what the committee has planned for the $5,000 budgeted already.  I
>>> will say that I am concerned, especially given past experience, when the
>>> cost of a project doubles within a few weeks.  At the same time, I am not
>>> quite clear on why we need to increase the budget by $5,000 at this point
>>> when the proposal will cost $5,000 and nothing has been spent, so before
>>> doing so, I want to know what the original money is designated for.
>>>
>>> I do appreciate, at the same time, that there is an effort to fundraise
>>> specifically for this project.  In my view, the cost, even if completely
>>> crowd-funded, will still be non-zero because of fungibility, but obviously
>>> will be low.  Since our budget does not fund compensation out of functional
>>> lines, there's also an unaccounted-for decrease in staff costs associated
>>> with doing it this way instead of continuing the project but not moving the
>>> items.  Wes, do you have guess on that - less, equal to, or more than $5k?
>>>
>>> Even when things are crowd-funded, of course, it is the responsibility
>>> of this board to set priorities for projects that should get done,
>>> especially when staff time is required.  We voted that this is something
>>> worth doing at a cost of $5k plus stuff costs.  Is it also worth doing at
>>> $10k plus staff costs?  That seems to be, in large part, the question, I
>>> would think.
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to amend the motion to designate the Harlos residence as
>>>> the David Nolan Memorial Library, Museum and
>>>> Cannabis Cafe.
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> Member at Large
>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>> 317-850-0726 <%28317%29%20850-0726> Phone
>>>> 317-582-1773 <%28317%29%20582-1773> Fax
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, I stated that if approved, I would sign up for a payment plan
>>>>> life membership.  I am willing to do that because it will cost me
>>>>> personally that much to make several trips at my own cost to VA to do
>>>>> supervise and organize the off site storage.  The Party will get back
>>>>> records usable for years and years to come and they will be available for
>>>>> Party members. A lot of other benefits were discussed in the other thread.
>>>>> If I am right about this being high by about $1000 (Dunbar can stay at my
>>>>> home in CO), and then my pledge to give $1,500 over 12 months, we are
>>>>> looking at $2,500 (if I'm wrong it is $3,500).  Wes believes he can raise
>>>>> it (and if we raise more it can offset the other approved amount for which
>>>>> I personally have already raised about $1,200 and once LPedia is up I will
>>>>> get more).  Lastly I believe the CO storage will be about 15% per month
>>>>> cheaper. All around this is a good deal for the party if it wants to takes
>>>>> its history and records seriously (and I cannot underestimate the good will
>>>>> there will be with members when these records are online).
>>>>>
>>>>> As most of you know, I am a professional paralegal.  I have worked
>>>>> large large document intensive cases. The Committee I appointed are
>>>>> professionals. The amount of volunteer value that the Party is getting is
>>>>> tremendous - we couldn't afford it if we were to pay the people working on
>>>>> this.  Now is the time, and ultimately, I believe it will all be funded
>>>>> through donations by end of year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Members are passionate about this.  I have been quiet on the fund
>>>>> raising push because I want to have LPedia open first with some great
>>>>> content (and its getting there- initial "grand opening" will likely be
>>>>> within two weeks).
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My first thought along the process was "gee, Caryn Ann, I sure wish
>>>>>> you lived in the DC area. All this would be so much easier. Then you could
>>>>>> come in the office and take care of all of this yourself, and manage the
>>>>>> volunteers." Then later I thought "you know what, I just moved most of
>>>>>> these materials (some of them twice). I could easily move them again to
>>>>>> where Caryn Ann is." Then she and I wouldn't have to call and send several
>>>>>> emails to each other for each minor step of work on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure they'll be an added moving cost, but the simplification of doing
>>>>>> the work for Caryn Ann and me will be greatly facilitated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <%28202%29%20333-0008>, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/21/2017 1:33 PM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The original idea to move the stuff to Colorado was mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got the idea after several phone calls with Caryn Ann talking about
>>>>>> how to get various volunteers into the office, talking about what would
>>>>>> they do, who would answer their questions, then who would pack up what and
>>>>>> ship to where as needed. We've had one volunteer come in to start listing
>>>>>> what's in our basement and that one arrangement, as simple as it sounds,
>>>>>> took many emails and a couple phone calls. "Would we be here Saturday for
>>>>>> the volunteer?" Answer: "probably from "10 a.m. to 3 p.m." Later: "Looks
>>>>>> like I can have another staffer here later on Saturday if needed." Later:
>>>>>> "Oops, not coming in after all."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coordinating the work of semi-reliable volunteers between Caryn Ann
>>>>>> Harlos and me is going to take a significant amount of my time even in the
>>>>>> best of circumstances.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of the volunteer help for this project is going to come from
>>>>>> Caryn Ann, and many volunteers she'll be able to recruit in her state and
>>>>>> nearby states.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds counter-intuitive on one level, but I think it will cost a
>>>>>> whole lot less, and save me a whole lot of time, to deliver the items to
>>>>>> Colorado for a couple years for Caryn Ann to work on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's my idea. I think Caryn Ann is going to work hard on this
>>>>>> valuable project. I think I could raise the funds with a couple emails to
>>>>>> cover the added cost. And I'd be saving myself a lot of time in the future
>>>>>> coordinating with Caryn Ann about who can volunteer when and where, and
>>>>>> where do we ship what, and how do we label what folders what.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm only for this because Caryn Ann has already demonstrated her
>>>>>> reliability and hard work. I would not be for this if just any old
>>>>>> committee chair asked for it. I'd be paranoid the materials would be
>>>>>> forgotten forever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <%28202%29%20333-0008>, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/21/2017 1:13 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why on earth would we want to pay to move this stuff to CO when the
>>>>>> party headquarters
>>>>>> is in the D.C. area?  Are you planning a David Nolan Libertarian
>>>>>> Party Library and Museum?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>> 317-850-0726 <%28317%29%20850-0726> Phone
>>>>>> 317-582-1773 <%28317%29%20582-1773> Fax
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay now that we have discussed the moving of the historical
>>>>>>> records, I am ready to put forth a proposed motion but am asking for
>>>>>>> feedback before asking for co-sponsors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Move to budget up to an additional $5,000 (budget line 90) to
>>>>>>> relocate the historical records in the Duke Street basement and in the
>>>>>>> off-site storage facility to a location in Colorado to be determined by
>>>>>>> Historical Preservation Committee Chair.  The facility will be paid by for
>>>>>>> and under the control of the LNC and will be obtained at a cost equal or
>>>>>>> less to the price paid for the similar facility in Virginia.  The Executive
>>>>>>> Director will be directed to send out up to two fundraising letters to
>>>>>>> cover this expense and the prior budgeted Historical Committee expense
>>>>>>> (credit to budget line 25).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
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>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
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>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
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