[Lnc-business] Who the hell thought this was a good idea?

Thu Apr 13 23:10:09 EDT 2017

Patrick you were told incorrectly about the branding issue- it is more
nuanced than that.

I would be more than glad to discuss in person - not too much time tonight.

-Caryn Ann

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:08 PM Patrick McKnight <
patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been posting to the facebook site for almost a year and I still don't
> know what the rules are. I have even less understanding about how the
> design team works (and apparently I was removed from that group.)
>
> If all posts are to be branded and approved in advance why would we still
> need all these different people posting?
>
> How many people are currently posting and how do they get approved to join
> the page? How many people are designing content and who is in charge of
> that?
>
> I suspect that, as usual, we are making things too complicated and have
> too little delegation of specific responsibilities. I would like to think
> incidents like these would underscore the fact we have a serious
> communication and marketing problem in our organization.
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick McKnight
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is an excellent idea in there that I am thinking on with at least
>> the branded memes.  I know they are uploaded to a shared folder - memes
>> should first be uploaded into a "to be reviewed" folder and then released
>> from there.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Patrick McKnight <
>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we need to examine our social media policies, or the lack
>>> thereof. I see two issues:
>>>
>>> 1. There are no clear rules and APRC doesn't seem to be able to keep up
>>> with reviewing content.
>>> 2. It seems like we have a larger number of different people posting
>>> than in the past. Who approves new admins?
>>>
>>> I would suggest two courses of action:
>>>
>>> 1. Reduce the number of posts. Quality is more important than quantity.
>>> This will also make it easier for APRC to review.
>>> 2. Establish some sort of reliable quality control process. For example,
>>> I was told a few months ago we were only supposed to use branded posts.
>>> Then why not have APRC review the content as it's created instead of
>>> waiting for it to be posted?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am reaching out to Chris.
>>>>
>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ken, I was just giving a point of information over it.  I look forward
>>>>> to speaking with you in person.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I lost a committee member over it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ChristopherSThrasher/videos/10101101465082209/?notif_t=live_video&notif_id=1492129680368260
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, the post was deleted, 6 or 7 hours after it was posted. Damage
>>>>>>> is done.  Now, how do we prevent such problems in the future?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FYI the post has been deleted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We obviously need to change the policy about the FB page. There is
>>>>>>>>> way too much crap being posted in our name. This is not the first instance,
>>>>>>>>> and without action it will not be the last. These types of posts being made
>>>>>>>>> in OUR name do harm to the party, and make a mockery of the work that every
>>>>>>>>> contributor is making to satisfy someone's personal grind.  I hope that in
>>>>>>>>> lieu of APRC reeling in these posts, a motion will be made by the LNC to
>>>>>>>>> require it.  Please, no more trolling or sh*tposting on the FB page.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joshua is correct - FB is an unusual situation and is more
>>>>>>>>>> difficult to review.  I think with the upcoming meeting that each of us has
>>>>>>>>>> not reviewed as much as we normally do.  That is certainly true with me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>>>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The APRC handles FB posts.  We check the scheduled items.  I
>>>>>>>>>>> admit that I have not done so very often in the last few weeks.  But, as I
>>>>>>>>>>> often do, I'd also remind the LNC that the APRC is given only a limited
>>>>>>>>>>> jurisdiction.  Also, the process for FB is different than that for staff
>>>>>>>>>>> items - staff items are presented and need to receive affirmative
>>>>>>>>>>> approvals, whereas FB items are not presented in the same way and do not
>>>>>>>>>>> need affirmative approvals.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <
>>>>>>>>>>> whitneycb76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does APRC handle these FB posts, too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2017 6:07 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I honestly did not see this but I have been swamped with work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and travel the past few weeks.  I would have disallowed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What in the Hell (pun intended) is with this post?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/libertarians/photos/a.10150126121157726.302978.5978057725/10155188096782726/?type=3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who seriously thought this was a good idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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