[Lnc-business] Who the hell thought this was a good idea?

Fri Apr 14 11:16:18 EDT 2017

It is my opinion that these discussions may veer off into the same
territory as staff critique and should be handled the same way thus I won't
be giving input here.

If staff critique us handled with discretion I feel volunteers need the
same courtesy or protocol.

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 9:23 AM Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Btw, I ask about authority to remove in response to Patrick saying he was
> removed from the design group...I heard about a staff member also being
> kicked out of that group...so, I'm curious who's 'in charge'.
>
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2017 10:29 PM, "Whitney Bilyeu" <whitneycb76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How does someone in the FB design group, or whatever it is called, have
>> the authority to remove someone else? Who has that authority?
>>
>> Whose group is it, actually?
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2017 10:11 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Patrick you were told incorrectly about the branding issue- it is more
>> nuanced than that.
>>
>> I would be more than glad to discuss in person - not too much time
>> tonight.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:08 PM Patrick McKnight <
>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been posting to the facebook site for almost a year and I still
>>> don't know what the rules are. I have even less understanding about how the
>>> design team works (and apparently I was removed from that group.)
>>>
>>> If all posts are to be branded and approved in advance why would we
>>> still need all these different people posting?
>>>
>>> How many people are currently posting and how do they get approved to
>>> join the page? How many people are designing content and who is in charge
>>> of that?
>>>
>>> I suspect that, as usual, we are making things too complicated and have
>>> too little delegation of specific responsibilities. I would like to think
>>> incidents like these would underscore the fact we have a serious
>>> communication and marketing problem in our organization.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is an excellent idea in there that I am thinking on with at least
>>>> the branded memes.  I know they are uploaded to a shared folder - memes
>>>> should first be uploaded into a "to be reviewed" folder and then released
>>>> from there.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Patrick McKnight <
>>>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think we need to examine our social media policies, or the lack
>>>>> thereof. I see two issues:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. There are no clear rules and APRC doesn't seem to be able to keep
>>>>> up with reviewing content.
>>>>> 2. It seems like we have a larger number of different people posting
>>>>> than in the past. Who approves new admins?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest two courses of action:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Reduce the number of posts. Quality is more important than
>>>>> quantity. This will also make it easier for APRC to review.
>>>>> 2. Establish some sort of reliable quality control process. For
>>>>> example, I was told a few months ago we were only supposed to use branded
>>>>> posts. Then why not have APRC review the content as it's created instead of
>>>>> waiting for it to be posted?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am reaching out to Chris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken, I was just giving a point of information over it.  I look
>>>>>>> forward to speaking with you in person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I lost a committee member over it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ChristopherSThrasher/videos/10101101465082209/?notif_t=live_video&notif_id=1492129680368260
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, the post was deleted, 6 or 7 hours after it was posted.
>>>>>>>>> Damage is done.  Now, how do we prevent such problems in the future?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FYI the post has been deleted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We obviously need to change the policy about the FB page. There
>>>>>>>>>>> is way too much crap being posted in our name. This is not the first
>>>>>>>>>>> instance, and without action it will not be the last. These types of posts
>>>>>>>>>>> being made in OUR name do harm to the party, and make a mockery of the work
>>>>>>>>>>> that every contributor is making to satisfy someone's personal grind.  I
>>>>>>>>>>> hope that in lieu of APRC reeling in these posts, a motion will be made by
>>>>>>>>>>> the LNC to require it.  Please, no more trolling or sh*tposting on the FB
>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua is correct - FB is an unusual situation and is more
>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to review.  I think with the upcoming meeting that each of us has
>>>>>>>>>>>> not reviewed as much as we normally do.  That is certainly true with me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>>>>>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The APRC handles FB posts.  We check the scheduled items.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit that I have not done so very often in the last few weeks.  But, as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> often do, I'd also remind the LNC that the APRC is given only a limited
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisdiction.  Also, the process for FB is different than that for staff
>>>>>>>>>>>>> items - staff items are presented and need to receive affirmative
>>>>>>>>>>>>> approvals, whereas FB items are not presented in the same way and do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> need affirmative approvals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whitneycb76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does APRC handle these FB posts, too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2017 6:07 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I honestly did not see this but I have been swamped with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work and travel the past few weeks.  I would have disallowed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Ken Moellman <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What in the Hell (pun intended) is with this post?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/libertarians/photos/a.10150126121157726.302978.5978057725/10155188096782726/?type=3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who seriously thought this was a good idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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