[Lnc-business] New Committee does not resolve the problem

Mon Apr 17 03:11:18 EDT 2017

I am being ruthlessly and visciousky attacked.

No good deed goes unpunished.

I knkw what I did and everyone on this body knows I defended the
volunteers.  I'm deeply saddened but I don't regret doing so.

-Caryn Ann

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:38 AM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:

> Yeah, I saw that you're being attacked. Interestingly, but not surprising,
> by the same person I've received multiple reports from as being part of the
> problem with the current configuration.  My guess is that the person know
> they're being a problem, thinks this ends with them being reeled in, and so
> now they're lashing out.  But that's just a guess on my part.
>
> As one more metric, I was pointed to the number of Likes versus Follows
> and apparently that ratio is bad.  So while we have a lot of likes, we also
> have a lot of un-follows.  But it'll be 4 months before we officially do
> nothing, anyway.
>
> ken
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Im done too.  For all My all my defense of the volunteers I'm now the bad
>> guy .
>>
>> You and I disagree on very little Ken.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:22 AM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty much done with the topic. I don't know what I'm going to do
>>> next, other than post that it may be a good idea, in marketing, to consider
>>> the audience.
>>>
>>> http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:07 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nick assured us it was not.  Staff is not even answering all emails.
>>>> Scheduling is not as easy or quick as all that and likes it or not,
>>>> believes me or not, you will lose the volunteers.  I'm rethinking whether I
>>>> stil want to volunteer seeing how dismissive some things have been.  Some
>>>> may be think oh well.  Ask Matt or Nick how much I do.  Better yet ask
>>>> affiliates about the good will.  But we are willing to flush myself and
>>>> dozens of others work down the toilet.  That's not OK.  (We do need a
>>>> management structure - that us abundantly clear - without a doubt)
>>>>
>>>> I love itnso I doubt I will stop.  But I would hope we have concern for
>>>> everyone not just the "important" people.
>>>>
>>>> Volunteers are not gopher grunt slaves.  Not beimg worried about
>>>> algorithms just says the work the volunteers did for years is meaningless.
>>>>
>>>> Timing is not the smallest part of the problem though there are others
>>>> I will only say in executive session per our rules.
>>>>
>>>> The whole comment on the APRC is illplaced.  We mostly check messages
>>>> from or suggested by STAFF and without violating confidentiality, there is
>>>> a reject rate.
>>>>
>>>> Facebook succeeds not by being safe and NOT by the false narrative we
>>>> are centrist.  Our Stament of Principles is bold.
>>>>
>>>> Do I think it requires the devil? No,  God no.  But I see this as being
>>>> used to do exactly what you are talking about- factional pettiness.
>>>>
>>>> Good news- all sides are mad at me,  I'm doing it right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are not a safe Party.  And to quote a famous fictional general,
>>>> affiliates will rebel.  The more we try to control things overly much, the
>>>> more star systems will slip through our fingers.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:40 PM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There was a concern about an "undue burden" on staff, but was staff
>>>>> even consulted, or is this just a justification?  Benedict made it clear in
>>>>> the meeting that staff used to run the FB account.  You schedule FB posts
>>>>> ahead of time, so one staff member could look at all the content that the
>>>>> volunteers create and simply be in charge of scheduling it within FB.
>>>>> Nothing changes except creating a final check on the situation.  Doherty
>>>>> made it clear that bad marketing hurts the party.  Ask the others what they
>>>>> think.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not even worried about the FB algorithms at this point. Before we
>>>>> even get to that level, I'm worried about what's being said by a group of
>>>>> volunteers in the name of the party.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've received messages from people who are and were in that group of
>>>>> volunteers, as I've mentioned before, who think things are being badly
>>>>> mismanaged and messages controlled to meet agendas of others with no title
>>>>> or role.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Satanic Temple thing was timing, sure.  Timing is one part of the
>>>>> problem.  It's the smallest part of the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> The core purpose of the APRC is to prevent messages from going out in
>>>>> our name that are off-platform.  That's true.  But let's ask the question
>>>>> -- why?  Why would it ever be necessary to do that?  Because we're all
>>>>> volunteers, and people have their personal axes they like to grind. The
>>>>> entire premise is to stop things from going out that would hurt the party.
>>>>>
>>>>> In essence, we are doing nothing. The status quo remains for 4 months.
>>>>>
>>>>> ken
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry is right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see an agenda here to strike at making a "centrist" party once
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I can say is that I see it and will strenuously oppose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are NOT centrists.  We are Libertarians and pushing the edge IS
>>>>>> part if our job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 9:15 PM Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just an opinion to take into consideration: The reason for the huge
>>>>>>> backlash on the Satanic post was timing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As many of you have heard me preach, emotion and culture matter. We
>>>>>>> just came off the "pro-choice on everything" event, that made many people
>>>>>>> feel unhappy. They saw it as an attack on their culture. And then we
>>>>>>> responded with logical reasons for its validity. Logical responses to
>>>>>>> emotional concerns rarely work. Accordingly, many of them were still
>>>>>>> emotionally raw. Then during Easter week the Satanic Pic was posted. And of
>>>>>>> course, many people again responded with logical reasons as to why it was
>>>>>>> acceptable. This felt like more disrespect and a pile-on attack to their
>>>>>>> culture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If this Satanic pic had come out in July or August (and we had no
>>>>>>> similar instances in the meantime), this would have been a minor blip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, just my opinion. I hope it's helpful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS - Yes, Joshua, that 5% was a nice gesture and I am pleased.
>>>>>>> Thanks for acknowledging my emotions. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with roughly 3/4 of Steven's email.  (To please Larry
>>>>>>>> Sharpe, I will increase it to 80%.)  I will leave it as a mystery which 3/4
>>>>>>>> it is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Steven Nekhaila <
>>>>>>>> steven.nekhaila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The APRC is beyond its scope of duty if it is going to be
>>>>>>>>> monitoring posts, creating a marketing strategy, etc. That is why this
>>>>>>>>> committee was founded and it will tally up our shortcomings and identify
>>>>>>>>> our opportunities while allowing us to double down on our strengths. This
>>>>>>>>> is not a committee to investigate the APRC, this committee will review all
>>>>>>>>> of our social media practices and evaluate our current strategies which
>>>>>>>>> will come back to the LNC as a report so we can take meaningful, effective
>>>>>>>>> action in the proper direction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If we were to simply put the staff in charge of vetting posts it
>>>>>>>>> would be an undue burden, and more importantly it may not yield the
>>>>>>>>> effective results we are looking for. Social media is very complex and
>>>>>>>>> involves proprietary algorithms, while also varying from platform to
>>>>>>>>> platform, we need to keep our aces in their places while also looking for
>>>>>>>>> opportunities to improve brand protection and messaging.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By having a committee study our social media assets and procedures
>>>>>>>>> and returning a report to the LNC we will be able to uncover opportunities
>>>>>>>>> that we may not know exist and expound on solutions. I hope you can have
>>>>>>>>> confidence in us to bring something substantial to the table come next
>>>>>>>>> meeting or before, this will not be taken lightly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Instead of attacking the situation with a hatchet, let's approach
>>>>>>>>> it with a scalpel, keep our teams motivated, and use this as a learning
>>>>>>>>> opportunity. I just ask you to trust our judgement and understand that we
>>>>>>>>> share your concerns.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>>>>>>>> Region 2 Representative Alt
>>>>>>>>> 305-393-6412 <(305)%20393-6412>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On April 16, 2017 at 5:11:26 PM EDT, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After my family events today, I returned to watch the last segment
>>>>>>>>> of the LNC meeting, which includes the creation of the committee to review
>>>>>>>>> how we're using Facebook.  I continue to have grave concerns about this.
>>>>>>>>> We are not changing the status quo.  When most organizations make a giant
>>>>>>>>> mistake due to some sort of internal failing, they send in a "crisis
>>>>>>>>> management" team to take immediate action to handle the situation - to
>>>>>>>>> handle the external marketing and the internal procedure improvement.
>>>>>>>>> Apparently, we just create yet another committee to study it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1.  We have "only" had 2 posts with very negative response, but
>>>>>>>>> there have been other bad posts as well. This motion does not prevent this
>>>>>>>>> from continuing. Nothing has been done to stop this behavior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2.  We have FB volunteers communicating directly with people via
>>>>>>>>> FB private messaging, responding to negative comments. There is, to my
>>>>>>>>> understanding, no APRC oversight or approval on these communications that
>>>>>>>>> come across to the recipient as from "Libertarian Party".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. We have no marketing strategy. There's no messaging. There's no
>>>>>>>>> marketing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4. We have no specific social media strategy.  The first step
>>>>>>>>> would be to have a messaging and marketing strategy, and then to apply that
>>>>>>>>> strategy within the realm of social media.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Simply put, creating a committee to review an existing committee
>>>>>>>>> (APRC) who reviews another committee (FB Admins) who reviews another
>>>>>>>>> committee (FB Volunteers) is not a solution.  It is an attempt to punt and
>>>>>>>>> gloss over a glaring problem with the party.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can spend hundreds of hours pushing ballot access. I can spend
>>>>>>>>> hundreds of hours doing IT projects. No amount of foundation work matters
>>>>>>>>> when we intentionally allow the negligent burning down of the structure
>>>>>>>>> upon which its built.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am currently re-evaluating my role in the party and the amount
>>>>>>>>> of time I dedicate to the organization.  Maybe it's my political mid-life
>>>>>>>>> crisis. I just have to question why I kill myself for an organization that
>>>>>>>>> kills itself by refusing to not allow itself to be killed.
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Larry Sharpe*
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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