[Lnc-business] New Committee does not resolve the problem

Mon Apr 17 13:33:07 EDT 2017

The Libertarian Party made a gaffe last week with a religiously
controversial post last week.  *After the incident*, the Party Chair
Nicholas Sarwark announced to the Libertarian National Committee that he
would be taking interim measures to be sure no such thing repeats while a
committee is convened to recommend better safeguards and to move the LP's
social media into the future.  *This is a change to be sure that incidents
like this do not re-occur.*

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We handled it just right IMHO.  I was concerned, and remain so, that this
is a backdoor attempt to factionalize messaging that has continually
happened for years and I will fight that.  However, I do believe we need
better policies and practices.  I offer to unofficially assist this
committee at any opportunity.

**********

I once again thank the LNC for their hard work.

I urge us to appoint people on the current social media team on that
committee and not JUST people who will further make this seem like a power
grab for messaging.  I believe I am disqualified as an LNC member but I
have recommendations (unfortunately I think it should include Patrick and I
who I think are both disqualified).  Anyways disqualified or not, I hope
the volunteers are consulted or this will be viewed as a top-down
mistake.  *MATT
HASTY should definitely be on this committee.*

-Caryn Ann

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 4:04 AM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:

> How most react to negative press:  http://finance.yahoo.com/news
> /couple-says-were-kicked-off-185755927.html
>
>
> (emphasis added)
>
> United has been engulfed by controversy since a viral video emerged
> depicting 69-year-old David Dao
> <http://www.businessinsider.com/united-airlines-passenger-dragged-from-flight-name-2017-4> being
> violently dragged off a United Airlines flight after refusing to give up
> his seat to make room for crew members. Dao sustained injuries and plans
> to file a lawsuit
> <http://www.businessinsider.com/man-dragged-from-united-airlines-flight-will-file-lawsuit-2017-4> against
> the airline.
>
> *After the incident* involving Dao,* United enacted a new rule*
> stipulating that crew members will no longer be allowed to displace
> passengers already on board the plane, the Associated Press reported.
>
> United spokeswoman Maggie Schmerin said in an email to the AP on Sunday
> that *the change is an initial step in a review of policies and it's
> meant to ensure that situations like Dao's never happen again*.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am being ruthlessly and visciousky attacked.
>>
>> No good deed goes unpunished.
>>
>> I knkw what I did and everyone on this body knows I defended the
>> volunteers.  I'm deeply saddened but I don't regret doing so.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:38 AM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I saw that you're being attacked. Interestingly, but not
>>> surprising, by the same person I've received multiple reports from as being
>>> part of the problem with the current configuration.  My guess is that the
>>> person know they're being a problem, thinks this ends with them being
>>> reeled in, and so now they're lashing out.  But that's just a guess on my
>>> part.
>>>
>>> As one more metric, I was pointed to the number of Likes versus Follows
>>> and apparently that ratio is bad.  So while we have a lot of likes, we also
>>> have a lot of un-follows.  But it'll be 4 months before we officially do
>>> nothing, anyway.
>>>
>>> ken
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Im done too.  For all My all my defense of the volunteers I'm now the
>>>> bad guy .
>>>>
>>>> You and I disagree on very little Ken.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:22 AM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty much done with the topic. I don't know what I'm going to do
>>>>> next, other than post that it may be a good idea, in marketing, to consider
>>>>> the audience.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:07 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick assured us it was not.  Staff is not even answering all emails.
>>>>>> Scheduling is not as easy or quick as all that and likes it or not,
>>>>>> believes me or not, you will lose the volunteers.  I'm rethinking whether I
>>>>>> stil want to volunteer seeing how dismissive some things have been.  Some
>>>>>> may be think oh well.  Ask Matt or Nick how much I do.  Better yet ask
>>>>>> affiliates about the good will.  But we are willing to flush myself and
>>>>>> dozens of others work down the toilet.  That's not OK.  (We do need a
>>>>>> management structure - that us abundantly clear - without a doubt)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love itnso I doubt I will stop.  But I would hope we have concern
>>>>>> for everyone not just the "important" people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Volunteers are not gopher grunt slaves.  Not beimg worried about
>>>>>> algorithms just says the work the volunteers did for years is meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timing is not the smallest part of the problem though there are
>>>>>> others I will only say in executive session per our rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole comment on the APRC is illplaced.  We mostly check messages
>>>>>> from or suggested by STAFF and without violating confidentiality, there is
>>>>>> a reject rate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Facebook succeeds not by being safe and NOT by the false narrative we
>>>>>> are centrist.  Our Stament of Principles is bold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do I think it requires the devil? No,  God no.  But I see this as
>>>>>> being used to do exactly what you are talking about- factional pettiness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good news- all sides are mad at me,  I'm doing it right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are not a safe Party.  And to quote a famous fictional general,
>>>>>> affiliates will rebel.  The more we try to control things overly much, the
>>>>>> more star systems will slip through our fingers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:40 PM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was a concern about an "undue burden" on staff, but was staff
>>>>>>> even consulted, or is this just a justification?  Benedict made it clear in
>>>>>>> the meeting that staff used to run the FB account.  You schedule FB posts
>>>>>>> ahead of time, so one staff member could look at all the content that the
>>>>>>> volunteers create and simply be in charge of scheduling it within FB.
>>>>>>> Nothing changes except creating a final check on the situation.  Doherty
>>>>>>> made it clear that bad marketing hurts the party.  Ask the others what they
>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not even worried about the FB algorithms at this point. Before
>>>>>>> we even get to that level, I'm worried about what's being said by a group
>>>>>>> of volunteers in the name of the party.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've received messages from people who are and were in that group of
>>>>>>> volunteers, as I've mentioned before, who think things are being badly
>>>>>>> mismanaged and messages controlled to meet agendas of others with no title
>>>>>>> or role.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Satanic Temple thing was timing, sure.  Timing is one part of
>>>>>>> the problem.  It's the smallest part of the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The core purpose of the APRC is to prevent messages from going out
>>>>>>> in our name that are off-platform.  That's true.  But let's ask the
>>>>>>> question -- why?  Why would it ever be necessary to do that?  Because we're
>>>>>>> all volunteers, and people have their personal axes they like to grind. The
>>>>>>> entire premise is to stop things from going out that would hurt the party.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In essence, we are doing nothing. The status quo remains for 4
>>>>>>> months.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ken
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Larry is right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see an agenda here to strike at making a "centrist" party once
>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All I can say is that I see it and will strenuously oppose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are NOT centrists.  We are Libertarians and pushing the edge IS
>>>>>>>> part if our job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 9:15 PM Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just an opinion to take into consideration: The reason for the
>>>>>>>>> huge backlash on the Satanic post was timing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As many of you have heard me preach, emotion and culture matter.
>>>>>>>>> We just came off the "pro-choice on everything" event, that made many
>>>>>>>>> people feel unhappy. They saw it as an attack on their culture. And then we
>>>>>>>>> responded with logical reasons for its validity. Logical responses to
>>>>>>>>> emotional concerns rarely work. Accordingly, many of them were still
>>>>>>>>> emotionally raw. Then during Easter week the Satanic Pic was posted. And of
>>>>>>>>> course, many people again responded with logical reasons as to why it was
>>>>>>>>> acceptable. This felt like more disrespect and a pile-on attack to their
>>>>>>>>> culture.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If this Satanic pic had come out in July or August (and we had no
>>>>>>>>> similar instances in the meantime), this would have been a minor blip.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, just my opinion. I hope it's helpful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS - Yes, Joshua, that 5% was a nice gesture and I am pleased.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for acknowledging my emotions. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree with roughly 3/4 of Steven's email.  (To please Larry
>>>>>>>>>> Sharpe, I will increase it to 80%.)  I will leave it as a mystery which 3/4
>>>>>>>>>> it is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Steven Nekhaila <
>>>>>>>>>> steven.nekhaila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The APRC is beyond its scope of duty if it is going to be
>>>>>>>>>>> monitoring posts, creating a marketing strategy, etc. That is why this
>>>>>>>>>>> committee was founded and it will tally up our shortcomings and identify
>>>>>>>>>>> our opportunities while allowing us to double down on our strengths. This
>>>>>>>>>>> is not a committee to investigate the APRC, this committee will review all
>>>>>>>>>>> of our social media practices and evaluate our current strategies which
>>>>>>>>>>> will come back to the LNC as a report so we can take meaningful, effective
>>>>>>>>>>> action in the proper direction.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If we were to simply put the staff in charge of vetting posts it
>>>>>>>>>>> would be an undue burden, and more importantly it may not yield the
>>>>>>>>>>> effective results we are looking for. Social media is very complex and
>>>>>>>>>>> involves proprietary algorithms, while also varying from platform to
>>>>>>>>>>> platform, we need to keep our aces in their places while also looking for
>>>>>>>>>>> opportunities to improve brand protection and messaging.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By having a committee study our social media assets and
>>>>>>>>>>> procedures and returning a report to the LNC we will be able to uncover
>>>>>>>>>>> opportunities that we may not know exist and expound on solutions. I hope
>>>>>>>>>>> you can have confidence in us to bring something substantial to the table
>>>>>>>>>>> come next meeting or before, this will not be taken lightly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of attacking the situation with a hatchet, let's
>>>>>>>>>>> approach it with a scalpel, keep our teams motivated, and use this as a
>>>>>>>>>>> learning opportunity. I just ask you to trust our judgement and understand
>>>>>>>>>>> that we share your concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 2 Representative Alt
>>>>>>>>>>> 305-393-6412 <(305)%20393-6412>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Boxer | http://getboxer.com <http://bxr.io/PBI3C>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On April 16, 2017 at 5:11:26 PM EDT, Ken Moellman <
>>>>>>>>>>> lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> After my family events today, I returned to watch the last
>>>>>>>>>>> segment of the LNC meeting, which includes the creation of the committee to
>>>>>>>>>>> review how we're using Facebook.  I continue to have grave concerns about
>>>>>>>>>>> this.  We are not changing the status quo.  When most organizations make a
>>>>>>>>>>> giant mistake due to some sort of internal failing, they send in a "crisis
>>>>>>>>>>> management" team to take immediate action to handle the situation - to
>>>>>>>>>>> handle the external marketing and the internal procedure improvement.
>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, we just create yet another committee to study it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  We have "only" had 2 posts with very negative response, but
>>>>>>>>>>> there have been other bad posts as well. This motion does not prevent this
>>>>>>>>>>> from continuing. Nothing has been done to stop this behavior.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  We have FB volunteers communicating directly with people via
>>>>>>>>>>> FB private messaging, responding to negative comments. There is, to my
>>>>>>>>>>> understanding, no APRC oversight or approval on these communications that
>>>>>>>>>>> come across to the recipient as from "Libertarian Party".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. We have no marketing strategy. There's no messaging. There's
>>>>>>>>>>> no marketing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. We have no specific social media strategy.  The first step
>>>>>>>>>>> would be to have a messaging and marketing strategy, and then to apply that
>>>>>>>>>>> strategy within the realm of social media.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Simply put, creating a committee to review an existing committee
>>>>>>>>>>> (APRC) who reviews another committee (FB Admins) who reviews another
>>>>>>>>>>> committee (FB Volunteers) is not a solution.  It is an attempt to punt and
>>>>>>>>>>> gloss over a glaring problem with the party.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can spend hundreds of hours pushing ballot access. I can spend
>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of hours doing IT projects. No amount of foundation work matters
>>>>>>>>>>> when we intentionally allow the negligent burning down of the structure
>>>>>>>>>>> upon which its built.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am currently re-evaluating my role in the party and the amount
>>>>>>>>>>> of time I dedicate to the organization.  Maybe it's my political mid-life
>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. I just have to question why I kill myself for an organization that
>>>>>>>>>>> kills itself by refusing to not allow itself to be killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Larry Sharpe*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *The Neo-Sage Group, Inc.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://TheNeoSage.com/ <http://theneosage.com/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/TheNeoSageGroup>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/TheNeoSage
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/neosage
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *https://www.facebook.com/neosage
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/neosage>*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *212-307-3545 <212-307-3545>*
>>>>>>>>>   *Instructing – Advancing – Inspiring*
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>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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