[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-08: Budget Meeting

Tue May 2 09:02:52 EDT 2017

Starchild, I care not for the food etc but disagree on the image.  We are
not yet fortunately on the literal field of battle and meeting in a
comfortable place with plenty of room is necessary for the most efficient
use of our time and energies. We are not robots where that does not
matter.  I know that my mind and body are not of such that say a dank
basement would work as well.

Further these spaces makes it certain that members can attend comfortably
and they also are able to eat.

I don't find it unreasonable for what we get IOW.

-Caryn Ann

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:02 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> On Apr 30, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Daniel Hayes wrote:
>
> Starchild,
>
> There is a $1,000 F&B(catering) requirement associated with the use of the
> room.  Nick had said a working lunch was probable for the budget meeting
> and I passed the specs as per consultation with Robert on to our
> HelmsBriscoe rep who coordinated it with the Hyatt.
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
> Convention Oversight Committee Vice-Chair
>
>
>
>  Assuming Daniel Hayes is correct, and I have no reason to doubt him, *meeting
> at this location would cost the party $1000 in food and beverage purchase
> obligations to the hotel.*
>
> Certainly I accept any person's choice in spending his or her *individual*
> funds in any way that s/he chooses, and I am, for better or more likely for
> worse, probably as guilty as many libertarians of putting resources toward
> my own sensual gratification which I could put toward advancing the freedom
> movement. But regardless of our individual preferences or habits in this
> regard, as representatives of the members of the Libertarian Party I think
> we owe it to our members to spend the *collective* resources they have
> entrusted to us on advancing the cause of freedom.
>
> If there were some reason why expensive hotel rooms were truly necessary
> in order for us to meet, I would by all means support using party money to
> pay for those rooms, but they are *not* necessary. *There are plenty of
> places where we can reasonably meet and incur $0 in financial obligations
> instead of $1000. *
>
> Some have made an "image" argument – that we need to spend money to meet
> in upscale locations in order to look "serious" or "professional" or
> what-not. I do not think this makes us look serious about fighting for
> freedom. When the signers of the U.S. Declaration of Independence pledged
> their "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor", that wasn't just trying to look
> serious, it was *being* serious. I won't say they were being
> "professional"; it seems almost insulting to the memory of those who led
> that previous struggle for American independence to use the term in
> relation to their efforts. Is the struggle we are now engaged in any less
> important and critical for the future?
>
> I believe the path to freedom lies through manifesting as agents of
> change, not by emulating the well-heeled organizations that characterize
> the political establishment – *doing things that make us look more like
> an establishment organization or the party of the wealthy are
> contra-indicated.* They drive away our natural supporters who, for good
> reasons, mistrust and oppose that establishment. If it walks like a duck...
>
> But even more than how it looks, is what it is. Former vice-president Joe
> Biden has said many dumb things, but I've heard him credited with saying at
> least one wise thing. He reportedly said, don't tell me what your values
> are – show me your budget, and I'll tell you what your values are. Are
> you comfortable with what spending party money on hotel-catered food for
> meetings of party leaders when it isn't necessary tells people about our
> values? I am not.
>
> * I vote no*, and encourage my fellow National Committee members to vote
> this down and *instead* *get behind a motion to meet at a different
> location in New Orleans that would not incur such an unjustifiable expense*
> .
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                    ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>                                    @StarchildSF
>
>
>
> On May 1, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>
> I vote yes.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>
>>
>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 1, 2017 at 11:59:59pm
>> Pacific time.*
>> *Co-Sponsors:*  Hayes, Harlos, Goldstein, Bilyeu, Redpath
>>
>> *Motion:*  The 2017 LNC budget meeting shall be held at the New Orleans
>> Hyatt Regency on December 9th and 10th, 2017.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
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*Caryn Ann Harlos*
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Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
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