[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-08: Budget Meeting

Tue May 2 17:43:10 EDT 2017

	I'm not familiar with the area myself Tim, but I think a logical approach would be to let local Libertarians in New Orleans know of our interest to hold a meeting there in a space with the characteristics you mention, and give them a little while to see what they come up with. I think this should be standard operating procedure whenever we identify dates for an upcoming meeting and a city in which we wish to meet.

Love & Liberty,
                                  ((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
                               (415) 625-FREE
                                 @StarchildSF

On May 2, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Tim Hagan wrote:

> What alternative location are you suggesting? Is it within walking distance from the Hyatt, so we can easily include a tour of its facility? How large is the location's meeting space, and does it have Wifi?
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> Tim Hagan
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 3:01 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
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> On Apr 30, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Daniel Hayes wrote:
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>> Starchild,
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>> There is a $1,000 F&B(catering) requirement associated with the use of the room.  Nick had said a working lunch was probable for the budget meeting and I passed the specs as per consultation with Robert on to our HelmsBriscoe rep who coordinated it with the Hyatt.
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>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>> Convention Oversight Committee Vice-Chair
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> 	 Assuming Daniel Hayes is correct, and I have no reason to doubt him, meeting at this location would cost the party $1000 in food and beverage purchase obligations to the hotel. 
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> 	Certainly I accept any person's choice in spending his or her individual funds in any way that s/he chooses, and I am, for better or more likely for worse, probably as guilty as many libertarians of putting resources toward my own sensual gratification which I could put toward advancing the freedom movement. But regardless of our individual preferences or habits in this regard, as representatives of the members of the Libertarian Party I think we owe it to our members to spend the collective resources they have entrusted to us on advancing the cause of freedom.
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> 	If there were some reason why expensive hotel rooms were truly necessary in order for us to meet, I would by all means support using party money to pay for those rooms, but they are not necessary. There are plenty of places where we can reasonably meet and incur $0 in financial obligations instead of $1000. 
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> 	Some have made an "image" argument – that we need to spend money to meet in upscale locations in order to look "serious" or "professional" or what-not. I do not think this makes us look serious about fighting for freedom. When the signers of the U.S. Declaration of Independence pledged their "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor", that wasn't just trying to look serious, it was being serious. I won't say they were being "professional"; it seems almost insulting to the memory of those who led that previous struggle for American independence to use the term in relation to their efforts. Is the struggle we are now engaged in any less important and critical for the future?
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> 	I believe the path to freedom lies through manifesting as agents of change, not by emulating the well-heeled organizations that characterize the political establishment – doing things that make us look more like an establishment organization or the party of the wealthy are contra-indicated. They drive away our natural supporters who, for good reasons, mistrust and oppose that establishment. If it walks like a duck...
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> 	But even more than how it looks, is what it is. Former vice-president Joe Biden has said many dumb things, but I've heard him credited with saying at least one wise thing. He reportedly said, don't tell me what your values are – show me your budget, and I'll tell you what your values are. Are you comfortable with what spending party money on hotel-catered food for meetings of party leaders when it isn't necessary tells people about our values? I am not.
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> 	I vote no, and encourage my fellow National Committee members to vote this down and instead get behind a motion to meet at a different location in New Orleans that would not incur such an unjustifiable expense. 
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> Love & Liberty,
>                                    ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>                                    @StarchildSF
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> On May 1, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
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>> I vote yes.
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>> -Alicia
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>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
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>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 1, 2017 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
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>> Co-Sponsors:  Hayes, Harlos, Goldstein, Bilyeu, Redpath
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>> Motion:  The 2017 LNC budget meeting shall be held at the New Orleans Hyatt Regency on December 9th and 10th, 2017.
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>> -Alicia
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