[Lnc-business] Request for assistance from Mark Wicks

Tue May 9 18:48:35 EDT 2017

Full debate:

http://www.krtv.com/story/35286238/video-gianforte-quist-and-wicks-debate-in-us-house-race
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Post-debate analysis:

https://www.facebook.com/mtpolitics/videos/1479649542086908/

-Caryn Ann

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> PS: Joshua thank you for your lengthy response.  Mark is an enthusiastic
> candidate that connects well with Montanans. And I didn't vote for that
> "deficit on paper" budget either.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I will get the appropriate links and commentary about the debate from Mr.
>> Wicks.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> So we have myself and Joshua willing to co-sponsor a motion for $5,000.
>> We would need two more.
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I take that to mean that there is no ballot access retention based on
>>> this race.  It might be true that better voter numbers than we have ever
>>> seen before makes a difference for us, perhaps even a national-scale
>>> difference (which is what it takes, short of ballot access, in my eyes, to
>>> invest national money).  What I'm less sure of, though, is that investing
>>> money into this campaign will achieve that.  Is the debate video available
>>> somewhere, or commentary saying he won the debate?  That makes a
>>> difference, and I can certainly see the value of $5,000 to amplify that if
>>> it is credible and exists.
>>>
>>> I also note that, while it's a 3-way race, the Democrat doesn't strike
>>> me as particularly serious, which could be an opportunity.  I don't think
>>> either of those candidates has been able to demonstrate that they care, and
>>> if Wicks can do that, if he had debate moments like Bill Clinton's answer
>>> on the national debt in that town hall debate, and we can make an ad with a
>>> 5 second clip like that, I'm sold.
>>>
>>> I'm less excited about the fact that this is an at-large Congressional
>>> seat.  Yes, online ads have the greatest reach, but don't across to most as
>>> being as credible, and there's no other real way for him, with his budget,
>>> to reach across the state.
>>>
>>> He is right that $5,000 is a small amount to invest.  I don't like
>>> investing small amounts.  As I argued at the last meeting about the
>>> consultants, people tell you what they are worth.  Someone pricing
>>> themselves well below market is telling you something.  Wicks is not
>>> pricing himself low, but I'm not convinced that $5,000 can do anything for
>>> him.  It can get him an online ad, but I'm not sure it can get enough
>>> impressions to get people talking.  So let me ask against - what is the
>>> maximum we can give?  Also, if we gave more than $5,000, does he have the
>>> campaign infrastructure to use it effectively?  I'm more interested in
>>> spending money where it can do good than in minimizing the money spent in a
>>> given place.
>>>
>>> I like that the ask is for less than he's raised.  I'm less thrilled
>>> that, with the full ask, he'd have $11,600 for a statewide Congressional
>>> race.  I'm not concerned about that because it's not enough to win - I'm
>>> concerned about that because I don't know that it's enough to be heard
>>> outside of a small echo chamber.
>>>
>>> He has a very nice website.  It looks good, it draws you in, it's fairly
>>> interactive, and it focuses on applying our ideas in ways that matter to
>>> Montanans.  On the other hand, with $6k raised, he didn't use a
>>> professional photographer, I think, for his photos.  He looks much better
>>> in his tv shots than in his own pictures.
>>>
>>> Bernie Sanders is campaigning for the Democrat (like I said, not
>>> serious) while Trump and Pence are both campaigning for the Republican.
>>> The Republicans, between party and PACs, are spending $1,600,000.
>>> Democrats are spending somewhere in the 6 digits.  I don't think $11,600 is
>>> enough to have a voice, but $20,000 might be, if used correctly.  This is a
>>> unique opportunity and a strong race.  We've already put national firepower
>>> into getting him into the debate.  I would like to see us give more, and
>>> accompany it with a national staffer acting as campaign adviser to improve
>>> a few of the nuts and bolts and making sure the amplification works out
>>> well.  In the meantime, I will cosponsor a motion to give $5,000.  I will
>>> not cosponsor a motion to give $2,500.
>>>
>>> On the bigger picture: I agree that we need a better structure than
>>> having this board make such decisions on the basis of limited information,
>>> without much time to research.  I had wanted to come up with such a
>>> structure, but life has gotten in the way, both for me and for the LNC.  I
>>> also acknowledge that our budget is in a deficit - but our budget does
>>> include a line for candidates and campaigns, and only half of that line has
>>> been allocated, so we've already put aside money for this (in a sense).
>>> Furthermore, our cash position is entirely the result of our own
>>> decisions.  I don't think we can make ourselves cash-poor, write a budget
>>> that shows a deficit (which I didn't vote for, for that reason among
>>> others), and then use that as a reason that we cannot help our candidates
>>> who can, in fact, make a difference and help grow this party - growth that
>>> will, hopefully, close that gap next year.  Last year, we took in quite a
>>> bit more than we budgeted for - in large part based on the attention our
>>> national ticket was getting, and in large part because, I think, people
>>> wanted us to support key races.  Is this a key race?  I think it is, given
>>> the timing, the lack of a serious Democrat, the spending imbalance between
>>> the Rs and Ds, and so on, but that's for each of us to decide.  Our
>>> candidate has also not just gotten into a debate, but shown that he knows
>>> what he's doing once there, and in the process gotten himself useful
>>> soundbites for an ad campaign (I'm assuming affirmative answers to my
>>> questions above).
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark Wicks provided these responses and apologized that he is not as
>>>> eloquent as possible as he was calling from the campaign trail:
>>>>
>>>> "I think this is being looked at the wrong way. Both parties are
>>>> looking for a win to prove their agenda is supported by the American
>>>> people. We need to show that both parties are being rejected. A win cements
>>>> that but we also win with better voter numbers than we have ever seen
>>>> before. It gives legitimacy, and that helps all of us. It sets me up for
>>>> 2018 and other candidates as well. We can't raise money without some
>>>> measure of success. $5000
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/1705462263069738/?multi_permalinks=1898512803764682%2C1898487450433884%2C1898483643767598&notif_t=group_activity&notif_id=1494240976827562#>
>>>> is a small investment into a campaign that will pay dividends for all
>>>> candidates. We won a battle getting into the debate, I won the debate, now
>>>> we are positioning pieces for the next war and trying to inflict as much
>>>> damage as possible in this one."
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:08 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alicia, yes, and running strong campaigns.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:36 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, is this looking to be a 3-way race with both the Democrats and
>>>>>> Republicans running candidates?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On behalf of Montana candidate Mark Wicks running for the vacated
>>>>>>> seat by the appointment of Zinke, he is requesting the LNC assist his
>>>>>>> campaign financially.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had let him know specific information we would need, and would
>>>>>>> like to share that information:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know you asked for a budget for how I will spend the money and
>>>>>>> with time constraints and getting the word out online media seems to be the
>>>>>>> way to go. We have ads that are being readied and ready to go anytime.
>>>>>>> Flathead county is having a Liberty Bash combined with a send the work
>>>>>>> truck event. We can get a live remote and good online adds for $2500
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/messages/?threadid=1068158245&timestamp=1494282486430#>.
>>>>>>> That will cover the valley really well. The east side of the state is taken
>>>>>>> care of and all the big towns are covered except Great Falls. I can use as
>>>>>>> much as the LP can send, but I think $5000
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/messages/?threadid=1068158245&timestamp=1494282486430#>
>>>>>>> would make a good impact. We have received $3600
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/messages/?threadid=1068158245&timestamp=1494282486430#>,
>>>>>>> plus I have put in about $3000
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/messages/?threadid=1068158245&timestamp=1494282486430#>
>>>>>>> total. I can't give any measure of impact. People are really searching for
>>>>>>> a third choice so even minimal presentation will go a long ways.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If any LNC member is interested in co-sponsoring a motion to assist
>>>>>>> in any amount please let me know so we can craft.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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