[Lnc-business] Request for assistance from Mark Wicks

Tue May 9 23:19:29 EDT 2017

In answer to the four questions:

Mark was not a national party member.  I am sending him a link and he said
he will become one now.
He will use the word Libertarian in any ad paid for by any LNC money.
If he is asked a question in which his answer differs from our Platform he
will state that such is his position.
He would agree to some of the candidate pledges but not others because of
his constituency, but does commit to reduce government in any way he can.

Mark thanks the LNC very much for their consideration.

-Caryn Ann

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My god, what have I done?  <Its>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> RONR provides no guidance because it's general advice is that, if you
>> decide to use email voting, you are on your own.  Our own rules, though,
>> are clear.  A vote closes after 10 days OR when all LNC members, not
>> including alternates, have cast a vote.  If we want to expedite the
>> process, everyone needs to vote quickly.  It would be improper to take
>> action when even a majority of the full LNC has cast "yes" votes because
>> votes may be changed until the vote closes (and for the more obvious but
>> less practical reason that, until it closes, nothing has been decided).
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:54 PM, David Demarest <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> *Nick*, *Alicia*:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To Tim’s point, the election is a mere 16 days away. If we start the
>>> email ballot tonight, the full 10-day email ballot process would leave only
>>> 6 days left before the election. Would that be sufficient for Mr. Wickes to
>>> take full advantage of our $5,000? Or should we consider either
>>> Johnny/Jill-on-the-spot with all our votes or taking action immediately
>>> after the required number of Yes votes has been received?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joshua, *Aaron*: What guidance does RONR provide on the latter question?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Assuming all 17 votes would be cast, what would be the number of Yes
>>> votes required to pass this motion?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will be voting Yes on this motion as soon as it is opened for voting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dec 28-Jan 1 Omaha Roads to Liberty Un-Convention*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>
>>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>>
>>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>>
>>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 9:42 PM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Request for assistance from Mark Wicks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick would that be the language?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:19 PM Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I will sponsor a motion for the LNC to contribute $5,000 to the Mark
>>> Wicks for Congress campaign.
>>>
>>> Our counsel and many others worked very hard to make sure Mr. Wicks
>>> could be in the televised debate (that he did very well in), I think
>>> it would be good to follow through and this is a very reasonable
>>> request after the candidate (a) raised a similar amount of money and
>>> (b) put in a similar amount of money on his own.
>>>
>>> -Nick
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I will get the appropriate links and commentary about the debate from
>>> Mr.
>>> > Wicks.
>>> >
>>> > -Caryn Ann
>>> >
>>> > So we have myself and Joshua willing to co-sponsor a motion for
>>> $5,000.  We
>>> > would need two more.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I take that to mean that there is no ballot access retention based on
>>> this
>>> >> race.  It might be true that better voter numbers than we have ever
>>> seen
>>> >> before makes a difference for us, perhaps even a national-scale
>>> difference
>>> >> (which is what it takes, short of ballot access, in my eyes, to invest
>>> >> national money).  What I'm less sure of, though, is that investing
>>> money
>>> >> into this campaign will achieve that.  Is the debate video available
>>> >> somewhere, or commentary saying he won the debate?  That makes a
>>> difference,
>>> >> and I can certainly see the value of $5,000 to amplify that if it is
>>> >> credible and exists.
>>> >>
>>> >> I also note that, while it's a 3-way race, the Democrat doesn't
>>> strike me
>>> >> as particularly serious, which could be an opportunity.  I don't think
>>> >> either of those candidates has been able to demonstrate that they
>>> care, and
>>> >> if Wicks can do that, if he had debate moments like Bill Clinton's
>>> answer on
>>> >> the national debt in that town hall debate, and we can make an ad
>>> with a 5
>>> >> second clip like that, I'm sold.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm less excited about the fact that this is an at-large Congressional
>>> >> seat.  Yes, online ads have the greatest reach, but don't across to
>>> most as
>>> >> being as credible, and there's no other real way for him, with his
>>> budget,
>>> >> to reach across the state.
>>> >>
>>> >> He is right that $5,000 is a small amount to invest.  I don't like
>>> >> investing small amounts.  As I argued at the last meeting about the
>>> >> consultants, people tell you what they are worth.  Someone pricing
>>> >> themselves well below market is telling you something.  Wicks is not
>>> pricing
>>> >> himself low, but I'm not convinced that $5,000 can do anything for
>>> him.  It
>>> >> can get him an online ad, but I'm not sure it can get enough
>>> impressions to
>>> >> get people talking.  So let me ask against - what is the maximum we
>>> can
>>> >> give?  Also, if we gave more than $5,000, does he have the campaign
>>> >> infrastructure to use it effectively?  I'm more interested in
>>> spending money
>>> >> where it can do good than in minimizing the money spent in a given
>>> place.
>>> >>
>>> >> I like that the ask is for less than he's raised.  I'm less thrilled
>>> that,
>>> >> with the full ask, he'd have $11,600 for a statewide Congressional
>>> race.
>>> >> I'm not concerned about that because it's not enough to win - I'm
>>> concerned
>>> >> about that because I don't know that it's enough to be heard outside
>>> of a
>>> >> small echo chamber.
>>> >>
>>> >> He has a very nice website.  It looks good, it draws you in, it's
>>> fairly
>>> >> interactive, and it focuses on applying our ideas in ways that matter
>>> to
>>> >> Montanans.  On the other hand, with $6k raised, he didn't use a
>>> professional
>>> >> photographer, I think, for his photos.  He looks much better in his
>>> tv shots
>>> >> than in his own pictures.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bernie Sanders is campaigning for the Democrat (like I said, not
>>> serious)
>>> >> while Trump and Pence are both campaigning for the Republican.  The
>>> >> Republicans, between party and PACs, are spending $1,600,000.
>>> Democrats are
>>> >> spending somewhere in the 6 digits.  I don't think $11,600 is enough
>>> to have
>>> >> a voice, but $20,000 might be, if used correctly.  This is a unique
>>> >> opportunity and a strong race.  We've already put national firepower
>>> into
>>> >> getting him into the debate.  I would like to see us give more, and
>>> >> accompany it with a national staffer acting as campaign adviser to
>>> improve a
>>> >> few of the nuts and bolts and making sure the amplification works out
>>> well.
>>> >> In the meantime, I will cosponsor a motion to give $5,000.  I will not
>>> >> cosponsor a motion to give $2,500.
>>> >>
>>> >> On the bigger picture: I agree that we need a better structure than
>>> having
>>> >> this board make such decisions on the basis of limited information,
>>> without
>>> >> much time to research.  I had wanted to come up with such a
>>> structure, but
>>> >> life has gotten in the way, both for me and for the LNC.  I also
>>> acknowledge
>>> >> that our budget is in a deficit - but our budget does include a line
>>> for
>>> >> candidates and campaigns, and only half of that line has been
>>> allocated, so
>>> >> we've already put aside money for this (in a sense).  Furthermore,
>>> our cash
>>> >> position is entirely the result of our own decisions.  I don't think
>>> we can
>>> >> make ourselves cash-poor, write a budget that shows a deficit (which I
>>> >> didn't vote for, for that reason among others), and then use that as a
>>> >> reason that we cannot help our candidates who can, in fact, make a
>>> >> difference and help grow this party - growth that will, hopefully,
>>> close
>>> >> that gap next year.  Last year, we took in quite a bit more than we
>>> budgeted
>>> >> for - in large part based on the attention our national ticket was
>>> getting,
>>> >> and in large part because, I think, people wanted us to support key
>>> races.
>>> >> Is this a key race?  I think it is, given the timing, the lack of a
>>> serious
>>> >> Democrat, the spending imbalance between the Rs and Ds, and so on, but
>>> >> that's for each of us to decide.  Our candidate has also not just
>>> gotten
>>> >> into a debate, but shown that he knows what he's doing once there,
>>> and in
>>> >> the process gotten himself useful soundbites for an ad campaign (I'm
>>> >> assuming affirmative answers to my questions above).
>>> >>
>>> >> Joshua A. Katz
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mark Wicks provided these responses and apologized that he is not as
>>> >>> eloquent as possible as he was calling from the campaign trail:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "I think this is being looked at the wrong way. Both parties are
>>> looking
>>> >>> for a win to prove their agenda is supported by the American people.
>>> We need
>>> >>> to show that both parties are being rejected. A win cements that but
>>> we also
>>> >>> win with better voter numbers than we have ever seen before. It gives
>>> >>> legitimacy, and that helps all of us. It sets me up for 2018 and
>>> other
>>> >>> candidates as well. We can't raise money without some measure of
>>> success.
>>> >>> $5000 is a small investment into a campaign that will pay dividends
>>> for all
>>> >>> candidates. We won a battle getting into the debate, I won the
>>> debate, now
>>> >>> we are positioning pieces for the next war and trying to inflict as
>>> much
>>> >>> damage as possible in this one."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -Caryn Ann
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:08 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Alicia, yes, and running strong campaigns.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Caryn Ann
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:36 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Also, is this looking to be a 3-way race with both the Democrats
>>> and
>>> >>>>> Republicans running candidates?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -Alicia
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On behalf of Montana candidate Mark Wicks running for the vacated
>>> seat
>>> >>>>>> by the appointment of Zinke, he is requesting the LNC assist his
>>> campaign
>>> >>>>>> financially.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I had let him know specific information we would need, and would
>>> like
>>> >>>>>> to share that information:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I know you asked for a budget for how I will spend the money and
>>> with
>>> >>>>>> time constraints and getting the word out online media seems to
>>> be the way
>>> >>>>>> to go. We have ads that are being readied and ready to go
>>> anytime. Flathead
>>> >>>>>> county is having a Liberty Bash combined with a send the work
>>> truck event.
>>> >>>>>> We can get a live remote and good online adds for $2500. That
>>> will cover the
>>> >>>>>> valley really well. The east side of the state is taken care of
>>> and all the
>>> >>>>>> big towns are covered except Great Falls. I can use as much as
>>> the LP can
>>> >>>>>> send, but I think $5000 would make a good impact. We have
>>> received $3600,
>>> >>>>>> plus I have put in about $3000 total. I can't give any measure of
>>> impact.
>>> >>>>>> People are really searching for a third choice so even minimal
>>> presentation
>>> >>>>>> will go a long ways.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> If any LNC member is interested in co-sponsoring a motion to
>>> assist in
>>> >>>>>> any amount please let me know so we can craft.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> In Liberty,
>>> >>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> >>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington) -
>>> >>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> >>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> >>>>>> We defend your rights
>>> >>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> >>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> In Liberty,
>>> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington) -
>>> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> >>>> We defend your rights
>>> >>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> >>>> Taxation is theft
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> In Liberty,
>>> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona,
>>> >>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>> >>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> >>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> >>>
>>> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> >>> We defend your rights
>>> >>> And oppose the use of force
>>> >>> Taxation is theft
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > In Liberty,
>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona,
>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>> > Harlos at LP.org
>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> >
>>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> > We defend your rights
>>> > And oppose the use of force
>>> > Taxation is theft
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Lnc-business mailing list
>>> > Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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