[Lnc-business] Email system and state party website domains
Joshua Katz
joshua.katz at lp.org
Sat May 20 08:30:31 EDT 2017
Note the email address I am sending from.
Joshua A. Katz
At-Large Representative,
Libertarian National Committee
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 1:31 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I always cringe when I see a local LP leader using an email address like
> BigDog47 at yahoo.com
>
>
> Hmm... Although I would prefer Underdog47 at yahoo.com, I kinda like that
> address! Now if it were MadDog47 at yahoo.com I might be a bit concerned we
> were dealing with a Trump supporter.... ;-)
>
> In all seriousness, I do see some value in having the LP.org email
> addresses. Not because of "professionalism", which I think is overrated and
> less of a positive in politics than people sometimes make it out to be
> (which is more "professional", the world inside the D.C. beltway, or the
> world of Podunk, Idaho? Which is more libertarian?) but for several other
> virtues: They help spread the word about the party and its website, are
> short and easy to use, make people easier to locate due to the standardized
> aspect (although the downside of that might be more spam), provide a ready
> option to LP officials seeking an email address to use for party matters,
> and – potentially – such an in-house system could allow official party
> emails to be archived for the sake of transparency and posterity.
>
> As previously expressed, if a $5000/year email package included such
> addresses for officials in all 51 affiliates, I could see it being a
> worthwhile expense. But I think that would depend on whether the system was
> transparent and bottom-up-friendly, and whether state parties wanted to use
> it. If, like Colorado, many or most are happy with what they're getting now
> for free, our funds might be better put toward other purposes.
>
> The problem is that it means we have to deal with other affiliates' stuff
> when we do DNS moves and things like that
>
>
> I'm not a techie, but if we own a series of domain names like CA.LP.org
> for each state, as long as we have them linked so as to direct users to
> LPC.org or whatever the relevant state party's own webpage is, does this
> have to entail any complex back-end stuff? I thought it was a relatively
> simple matter to have a particular URL redirect people to a different URL.
>
> Joshua, I'm not sure whether your question "The ability to do what now?"
> was addressed to me. If so, please clarify, as I don't understand what
> you're asking.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
>
>
> On May 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>
> The problem is that it means we have to deal with other affiliates' stuff
> when we do DNS moves and things like that. They're not all that common,
> but the current blip is an example of problems that can come up. I'd
> rather not set someone up to break LPCA or LPNY in the future. heh.
>
> The email server provides more than just the lists. It also provides the
> xxx at lp.org email aliases that provide professionalism. I always cringe
> when I see a local LP leader using an email address like
> BigDog47 at yahoo.com. We should standardize within affiliates to look
> professional and serious. In the grand scheme, I believe that providing
> email services for 51 affiliates is worth $5k/year. That's $100 per
> affiliate, per year. Since email hosting at a "Regular" place would cost
> about $4/mo/user, that's a mere 2 mailboxes per affiliate.
>
> ken
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Joshua Katz <joshua.katz at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> The ability to do what now? ;-)
>>
>> The problem with xx.lp.org, I would think, is that it means national
>> staff and IT support need to provide maintenance for the affiliate, but we
>> also want to allow the affiliate to make choices in how things work,
>> forcing staff and IT support to work through potentially 52 different
>> arrangements (50 states, DC, and national).
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>> At-Large Representative,
>> Libertarian National Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Ken. I remember you talking about this, and it does sound like a
>>> promising step in the right direction, but I'm still dubious about the
>>> value of paying thousands of dollars a year for in-house email lists. After
>>> all, the "economy of scale" for free is still free! If this is part of a
>>> package that would allow all LNC members and national staff to *send* (as
>>> well as receive, which we can do currently) mail at LP.org email
>>> addresses, and extend this capability to state affiliates, it seems like
>>> that might be worth the cost. But state party affiliates rightly value
>>> their autonomy, and I expect state party leaders might be reluctant to
>>> adopt a communications system controlled at the national level, especially
>>> if details of how it works and who has what access are murky. One question
>>> would be whether the system is equally accessible from the state and
>>> national levels. For instance if (some? all?) people at the national level
>>> would be able to use it to read state-level email traffic, would the
>>> transparency extend both ways so that some or all state-level officials
>>> could read national-level email traffic as well?
>>>
>>> I am glad to hear the duplicative and (as far as I've ever been able to
>>> tell) non-value-adding "hq.lp.org" lists/addresses will be eliminated,
>>> along with the confusion they've sometimes generated. However it seems like
>>> there is value in having the standard formula "XX.LP.org" (where XX is
>>> the 2-letter state abbreviation) lead to that state party's website when
>>> typed into a browser window. What is the rationale for getting rid of this
>>> feature?
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>> ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> Wonderful.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So the answer is, I broke it (on accident) but it works for most
>>>> people. Only Yahoo whines. I'll try to fix this on Sunday. I'm totally
>>>> booked until then.
>>>>
>>>> On the upside, the new system will only be about $5K per year and be
>>>> able to co-host every state affiliate who chooses to use it. Economies of
>>>> scale! Then our folks can spend less time fighting technology problems and
>>>> more time doing outreach and candidate support!
>>>>
>>>> Also I'll fix (read: eliminate) the legacy hq.lp.org versus lp.org
>>>> stuff, too. hq.lp.org will go away. All of the xx.LP.org addresses
>>>> are going away except CA and NY, and I would love to see them phase them
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> ken
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the email system for which we are paying – what was the figure
>>>>> again, $8000 a year? Another pot of money that could be better spent being
>>>>> donated to Mark Wicks or another Libertarian candidate or campaign, and we
>>>>> could use a free Yahoo or Google list, like most of the email lists I'm on
>>>>> which as far as I can tell don't seem to have as many problems as the LNC's
>>>>> super-expensive email system does.
>>>>>
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 18, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had not seen anything from you prior to this one which did make it.
>>>>> So I'll confirm receipt. This one made it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The list can tell me when an email from AOL/Yahoo/Earthlink addresses
>>>>> doesn't get distributed due to DMARC policies. Those make it into the
>>>>> archive, and I can forward them to the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> This issue is something completely different. It happened to Tim once
>>>>> before maybe a couple of weeks ago, and I thought perhaps it was a one-time
>>>>> quirk. But here it is again. The nature of this sounds to me like
>>>>> something that we might get from routing servers outside of our direct
>>>>> control, but the fact that it has happened to the same person twice is
>>>>> probably a clue for people that know more than I do about email routing....
>>>>>
>>>>> At least Tim gets some sort of notice back that there was a
>>>>> problem...though if it happened while he was trying to vote close to the
>>>>> deadline, he might not get the notification in time to let someone know he
>>>>> was having posting trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently my vote did not go through. I keep getting "No mx record
>>>>>> found for domain=hq.lp.org".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> *To:* "lnc-business at hq.lp.org" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 10:41 PM
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-10: Donation to the
>>>>>> Mark Wicks campaign
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I vote no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 9, 2017 11:19 PM
>>>>>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-10: Donation to the Mark
>>>>>> Wicks campaign
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 19, 2017 at 11:59:59pm
>>>>>> Pacific time.*
>>>>>> *Sponsor:* Sarwark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Motion:* that the LNC contribute $5,000 to the Mark Wicks for
>>>>>> Congress campaign
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
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