[Lnc-business] FYI - Also shared on Facebook

Sun May 21 20:29:15 EDT 2017

Thank you opening up discourse, and making those on both sides better
because of it. By the way, there already is a AAA for the sea, it is called
SeaTow, and they operate in the Florida Keys, you can even get a yearly
membership. Yes, I've used their services before.

Sincerely,

Steven Nekhaila

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 6:15 PM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
wrote:

> Arvin, I accept with the hope that our acceptance will not result in your
> critically important agenda being swept under the rug. Whatever your
> motivations were for your swift kick in the pants method of getting our
> attention, intentional or otherwise, it certainly worked effectively to get
> the discussion of your outstanding agenda on the table front and center for
> discussion. The ensuing hubbub has helped keep your agenda on the table.
>
>
>
> Now comes the hard part, actually doing something as you have suggested to
> truly help veterans and the rest of us deal with the difficult issue of
> incrementally reducing our enabling of the government on their strategy of
> overwhelming us with cronyism moral dilemmas.
>
>
>
> Let’s get on with it.
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>
> Thoughts?
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>
> ~David
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>
> *Dec 28-Jan 1 Omaha Roads to Liberty Un-Convention*
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> ~David Pratt Demarest
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> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
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> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
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> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Larry Sharpe
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 21, 2017 3:25 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] FYI - Also shared on Facebook
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>
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> I accept.
>
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>
> On May 21, 2017 14:13, "Whitney Bilyeu" <whitneycb76 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thank you, Arvin.
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>
>
> Whitney Bilyeu
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> On May 21, 2017 12:59 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Much respect Arvin. Thank you.
>
>
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yesterday, I discussed my views on the military at the Libertarian Party
> of Rhode Island state convention. Here's what I presented.
>
> There are some parts of the military that do something useful. Those parts
> should be handled by the free market, and would be improved if they were
> handled by the free market.
>
> The Coast Guard rescues people. It's a good thing to do. However, they are
> also the largest part of the war on drugs, in terms of the value of the
> assets that they steal from businesses.
>
> Groups like AAA and various insurance companies are able to provide
> roadside assistance on the millions of miles of roads. These private sector
> services work reliably, and don't squander effort and resources on things
> as ludicrous as the War on Drugs. Would people be able to afford to pay for
> a AAA of the sea? My thought is if you have the money for a boat, you
> probably have the money for rescue insurance.
>
> The Navy protects shipping lanes. Again, a good thing to do. But it does
> so at an astronomical expense, with firepower levels disproportionately
> greater than any current or expected threat of piracy or impressment. Could
> the several multibillion dollar shipping companies find a way to pay for
> that? I think so. If not, the other option would be for companies to
> produce things domestically. Instead of outsourcing production overseas,
> having the shipments sent back to the U.S., with protection paid for by our
> tax dollars, companies would have to do a proper risk-reward calculation.
> It might increase domestic production (note that the U.S. is a net importer
> of physical goods).
>
> But then there are things that no one should be doing, at all. All U.S.
> involvement in foreign civil wars should end. All U.S. foreign military
> bases should be shut down today, and the troops should be brought home. We
> should immediately leave NATO, and let Europe pay for its own defense.
> Whatever supposed "influence" we are buying at the cost of such huge
> military spending is not worth it, and it is not working.
>
> NATO is allowing Europe to become socialist, as they don't have to be
> financially responsible enough to pay for their own defense. It is forcing
> us to become socialist, since we have to pay unacceptable taxes to fund
> that defense.
>
> Finally, the issue of culpability came up. I pointed out that good
> intentions don't erase bad actions done by the individual, or by the
> collective that they voluntarily support, but that those bad actions
> similarly don't erase the good intentions. Larry Sharpe
> <https://www.facebook.com/neosage?fref=mentions> pointed out that
> according to law and custom, culpability is what separates crimes like
> murder 1, 2, 3, manslaughter, etc., and that the intent had to be weighed
> very, very heavily. I found myself agreeing with Larry's perspective on
> this. I also agreed with his position on not behaving as Americans did with
> Vietnam vets, which lead to an entirely lost generation. Instead of
> converting vets into a powerful force for freedom, it simply hurt them for
> the sake of hurting them.
>
> On reflection, I am forced to recognize that while opposing military
> worship, which is often used to manipulate people into immoral acts, is
> right, and fighting the military industrial complex is right, and fighting
> military policy that creates enemies and reduces safety is right, and
> provoking people to reexamine their world view is right, creating
> collateral damage is wrong. I have no intention of being the kind of leader
> who can challenge the views of others, but cannot challenge his own.
>
> Words can hurt brutally. That's why I use them against the state, and the
> worship of the state. But they should be used carefully for that same
> reason. During the last week, I failed to be careful enough with those
> words. While they helped some people, they also hurt a lot of people. To
> those who were hurt by my words, I apologize to you, specifically, for both
> what I said, and for the impact it had.
>
> I know it will be a long time before many of you who have been involved in
> the military will be able to trust me again, if ever. I'll do my best to
> earn your trust the only way I know how to earn trust. I'll speak to you
> honestly. I'll fight for your freedoms with every weapon I have. My aim
> with a weapon is frankly laughable, but my words can do some damage.
>
> Whether you end up trusting me again or not, I will be fighting with you,
> against the state, for our shared goal of liberty.
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Arvin Vohra <https://www.facebook.com/VohraEducation/?fref=mentions>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Arvin Vohra
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> VoteVohra at gmail.com
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
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