[Lnc-business] cosponsors requested to have staff manage social media

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

The difference is this is a LNC discussion and the Chair can direct.  If he
so directs, I will take care of it.  Since it is part of potential
discipline against a volunteer, I believe that the Chair can direct.
Further action to be discussed in ES.

Please reach out to the Chair and request this instruction and I will take
care of forthwith.

I am exiting this discussion until further instruction.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:05 PM Aaron Starr <starrcpa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks,
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>
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> Eleven Facebook accounts have admin access, including the Chair, Vice
> Chair and Ms. Harlos. No other LNC member has that level of access.
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>
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> Any one of them has the power to delete that comment without an LNC
> directive, and we know for a fact that they have deleted entire posts in
> the past, when they deemed that they were inappropriate.
>
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>
> So, what’s different here?
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> Aaron Starr
>
> (805) 583-3308 Home
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> (805) 404-8693 Mobile
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> starrcpa at gmail.com
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Alicia Mattson
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:53 PM
>
>
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] cosponsors requested to have staff manage
> social media
>
>
>
> The admins can delete posts on their own, and they have in the past.  The
> LNC shouldn't have to call an executive session to order Nick to order the
> admins to delete it.
>
> -Alicia
>
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>
> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
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> An ES meeting can be called and a request can be made to Nick to request
> its deletion.
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>
> -Caryn Ann
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> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 7:39 PM Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Caryn Ann,
>
> I say lots of things at LNC meetings, but that doesn't mean that the LNC
> agreed to everything I said.
>
>
>
> So the volunteers, who are supposed to promote the Party on our Facebook
> page, can instead use the Party's public Facebook page and large audience
> to instead launch personal attacks...but because our email list is public
> and a smaller audience of insiders reads it, the LNC can't discuss the
> volunteer who did it?  Admins have deleted other posts in the past, but
> this one is still there.  There's not even a discussion of it in the closed
> LP Admins and Moderators group.  There's no private email list on which the
> board can address this since nobody else is going to.
>
>
>
> -Alicia
>
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> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Everyone, prior to last meeting and at last meeting when the issue of
> potentially discussing specific volunteers came up, I mentioned it should
> be in executive session, and though it was dicta, that seemed to be the
> instruction of the Chair last meeting as well.
>
>
>
> When a formal request for dismissal or discipline is requested against
> staff or volunteers, I do believe that is the proper approach, and thus
> unless the Chair specifically instructs differently, I do not think this is
> the place.
>
>
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
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> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
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> I think the word people are searching for here is "accountability".
>
>
>
> ken
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>
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> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Candidates aren't, in some sense, staff of the party.  Candidates are
> selected by either affiliates or, in 2 cases, the convention.  Volunteers
> are, in some very broad sense, 'staff.'
>
>
>
> I'm probably more surprised than I should be that we're having a
> conversation about this.  In a healthy organization, of course you can
> express productive criticism of both board and management, in ways likely
> to lead to changes in their actions.  On the other hand, in a healthy
> organization, no one should expect to publicly make unfounded accusations
> against board members, with absolutely no constructive component, and
> remain employed.
>
>
>
> But I'm disappointed that we're discussing it for another reason.  I think
> it is so far from proper corporate structure for a board to have a
> discussion about an individual volunteer, or to be aware that such activity
> is even going on, that it's hard to even form an opinion.  (Don't worry,
> though, I managed.)  Boards making personnel decisions about people other
> than the highest management-level employees is, in my view, poor form, and
> not helpful.  This is something staff ought to have it completely within
> their power and discretion to handle.  That's why I am cosponsoring a
> motion on that very topic.
>
>
>
> In the meantime, it seems like it's going to take board action to do what
> any other organization would do as a matter of course.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
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> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can someone explain how a volunteer criticizing a candidate is any
> different from a candidate criticizing an LNC member, if both identify
> themselves in ways that include their LP credibility? I have no problem
> with either, but it seems others do.
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Of course not, but internal criticism should be internal and not posted
>
> on public comment sites.  Or if it,  is the poster should not identify
>
> him/herself as an official of the LP.
>
>
>
> Sam
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> Sam Goldstein
>
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> Member at Large
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> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
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> Indianapolis IN 46260
>
> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone
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> 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
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> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What on earth? Are we suggesting that only staff should be able to
> comment?? Or that now internal criticism is no longer allowed?
>
>
>
> I
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> On May 27, 2017 9:02 PM, "Sam Goldstein" <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> This is outrageous and would join Mr. Starr in requesting that Mr. Barton
> immediately be
>
> dismissed from any role in our social media platform.  Mr. Starr has a
> long history of
>
> service to the party, and while some members many not agree with his
> stances or methods,
>
> I don't think anyone on the current or past LNCs would refer to him as a
> Republican.
>
>
>
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> Sam Goldstein
>
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> Member at Large
>
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>
> Indianapolis IN 46260
>
> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone
>
> 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
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>
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> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Aaron Starr <starrcpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Colleagues,
>
>
>
> While we are on the subject, earlier this week our staff posted this
> television news video clip on Facebook as an example of earned media by a
> candidate opposing a sewer tax increase and spearheading a recall effort
> against those elected officials who voted for that increase (
> https://www.lp.org/california-libertarian-interviewed-local-television-water-rate-increases/
> ).
>
>
>
> Please examine these screen shots (cropped to show only relevant
> portions). Note this comment:
>
>
>
> “Starr is a Republican pretending to be a Libertarian. Why he hangs out in
> the LP instead of just being a Republican (or joining the Constitution
> Party) is beyond me. This is a dude who regularly tries to use soft bribes
> to get his way in the party. Please, LP members of his region, vote this
> guy out. We don’t need him and folks like him. Not at all.”
>
> -Josh Barton, Social Media Volunteer at Libertarian Party
>
>
>
> I don’t believe I have ever met Josh Barton. When I hover over his name
> with my mouse I see that his Facebook profile states he is one of our
> party’s social media volunteers.
>
>
>
> It’s one thing to disagree with someone over public policy (perhaps Mr.
> Barton favors the Oxnard City Council’s sewer tax increase); it’s quite
> another to lash out with this personal attack.
>
>
>
> I understand we get some negative feedback from the public, but should we
> tolerate that from those who are part of the organizational structure? Who
> here believes that it is appropriate for someone touting himself as a
> social media volunteer for the party to be posting something like this on
> our Facebook page as a representative of the Party?
>
>
>
> Our staff would never post a comment such as this. They are accountable to
> the LNC and have a stake in our organization’s overall success, which makes
> them largely above the factionalism and personality conflicts we witness
> with some volunteers.
>
>
>
> When you agree to wear the party hat, you’ve agreed to a certain fiduciary
> duty to the organization.
>
> If I were the National Chair, I would without hesitation order the
> deletion of such an offensive comment and (absent a sincere public apology)
> would likely fire any volunteer (or member of staff) who wrote anything on
> our Facebook page like this about any of our candidates or board members.
>
>
>
> Aaron Starr
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> (805) 583-3308 Home
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> (805) 404-8693 Mobile
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> starrcpa at gmail.com
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Sam Goldstein
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 7:03 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] cosponsors requested to have staff manage
> social media
>
>
>
> Alicia,
>
>
>
> Yes, my concern is that the LNC needs a supervisory presence on social
> media beyond the limited ability of
>
> the APRC.  Ultimately, it is the LNC, not staff, that is responsible to
> the members and delegates in convention
>
> for the public image of the party.
>
>
>
> Sam
>
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> Member at Large
>
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>
> Indianapolis IN 46260
>
> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone
>
> 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sam,
>
> So is your desire to just have LNC members/alternates in a supervisory
> role, or in the role of posting public comment?  If it's just a supervisory
> role, I don't think it should be our job to do that, but I'm okay with
> allowing such access to the page.  But I'm not sure I want LNC
> members/alternates making the postings instead of staff.  If a 4th
> co-sponsor was interested with some tweaks, we could hash out some
> alternate language.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
>
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> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Alicia,
>
>
>
> Would you consider adding "members and alternates"  to your motion
> following "LNC"?  If so I will
>
> co-sponsor.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> Member at Large
>
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>
> Indianapolis IN 46260
>
> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone
>
> 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm asking for co-sponsors for a motion to insert a new Policy Manual
> Section 2.06.5 Social Media to read as follows:
>
> Only LNC employees and contractors shall serve as administrators of, serve
> as moderators of, or post content to, the Party’s social media accounts.
> Volunteer content creators may submit content for approval.
>
>
>
> At the LNC meeting there was majority support for the motion to both do
> the above and also to create a committee to review our social media
> processes.  I could have supported it, but if we know what we need to do to
> fix the problem, why spend the time to have a committee study it first?
> Just fix it.  I thought there was majority support for the other motion to
> simply turn control of our social media back over to staff.  Turns out that
> I was mistaken, and one person was not willing to turn control back over to
> staff without the creation of the committee, so then the other motion
> failed.  Because I misread the room, an option that actually had majority
> support didn't pass.
>
> Now that we have separately created the committee, I want to go back and
> re-visit turning control back over to our staff.
>
> Please note that the motion welcomes volunteers to submit material.  It
> does not eliminate their opportunity to contribute.
>
>
>
> I want to add some details to the discussion we had in Pittsburgh, with
> two Facebook PR blow-ups on our minds at the time.
>
> Since Pittsburgh, we have had yet another PR disaster.  Granted it was not
> on our official FB page, but on the personal page it was posted to, the
> person's party position was touted right there in the sidebar, and we took
> a lot of damage from it.  The Convention Oversight Committee lost two very
> valuable volunteers over this latest disaster -- volunteers who did a lot
> of work for us in Orlando and were again helping for New Orleans.  Gone.
>
>
>
> There are no group votes before volunteers post on the party's FB.  One
> person puts it into the schedule, and unless someone else sees it and
> objects, it goes public.  We publish so much material that the APRC doesn't
> always have time to review everything in advance.  Though the group has an
> informal rule against people posting their own material, people sometimes
> do it anyway.  The comments about the military could easily have been
> posted on our page.
>
> There was a very recent incident in which a new volunteer was driven to
> quit on the same day she joined for the crime of suggesting that we post
> more positive material and less negative material.  I don't want to hear
> that the LNC giving final control to staff is somehow disrespecting the
> work of the volunteers, when that new volunteer's desire to contribute was
> so summarily disrespected.
>
> We have some important policies that I don't believe the volunteers have
> even been informed about, and volunteers are not really accountable for
> following policies in the same way that our staff is.
>
> Policy Manual Section 2.09.6:
>
> Party resources shall not be used to provide information or services for
> any candidate for party office unless:
>
>    - such information or services are available and announced on an equal
>       basis to all Libertarians who have declared they are seeking that office,
>       or
>       - such information or services are generally available and
>       announced to all party member
>
> Not all party members have access to post on our Facebook page.  Not all
> candidates for internal party office are offered the chance to post on our
> Facebook page.
>
> I think some of our Facebook posts cross the line into personal promotion
> of people who intend to run for internal party office at the next
> convention.
>
> There was a time in the past when staff established criteria to try to
> manage application of this policy, with criteria for what constituted
> "news" or "earned media" that involved a candidate, etc.  I don't believe
> there is any such attention to his policy right now for our social media.
> Some candidates have already declared.  The closer we get to a national
> convention, the more these posts will be perceived as self-promotion that
> unfairly isn't available to their opponents.
>
> So I'm asking for co-sponsors for this motion, to return final decision
> power to our staff, who are expected to know and follow our policies, and
> who are accountable to the LNC.  The volunteer groups can continue to
> generate material just like they do now, but staff would schedule the
> actual posts.
>
> If the Social Media Process Review Committee comes back to us with
> suggestions for reasonable ways to manage this later, we can amend this
> policy.
>
>
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
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> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
>
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>
> *We defend your rights*
>
> *And oppose the use of force*
>
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
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> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
>
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>
> *We defend your rights*
>
> *And oppose the use of force*
>
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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