[Lnc-business] Convention Oversight Committee Housekeeping

Wed Jun 28 14:53:30 EDT 2017

>From a common sense perspective, I will support the proposal for adding a
provision that a subsequent LNC status change would not affect a prior
Committee appointment for the duration of the committee appointment term.

Thoughts?

On Jun 28, 2017 1:40 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a particular reason we couldn't fix it this way, by email?
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Also, the reason for not waiting till August is we will possibly be
>> having some very substantive votes before the August LNC meeting and I
>> would rather have the full COC able to legally vote.
>>
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would be in favour of that.  Often times person who will end up filling
>> LNC vacancies are those involved already somewhere and showing leadership.
>> I don't think we should be removing those people from consideration to fill
>> a remaining term or making the other committees suffer.  The spirit of the
>> rule is to make a good faith to diversify positions, but having a crystal
>> ball shouldn't be part of it.
>>
>> So I would support.
>>
>> Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>
>>>
>>> I was actually considering broaching that change for the meeting in
>>> Kansas City.  I think we should add a provision that if you are on a
>>> committee and your status changes by becoming LNC or Alternate or other
>>> such shift like being one of the regional reps on the ASC and you end up
>>> appointed as in an At Large position, you maintain your position on the
>>> committee for the duration of that term.
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel Hayes
>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I prefer the second.  And wouldn't there be a different threshold?  If
>>> we are going to over-ride the policy manual  - we do it the right way by
>>> editing.
>>>
>>> I think perhaps this brings up something that might need to be a
>>> permanent change - when people end up on the LNC but were not when they
>>> were appointed.  I would be amenable to looking at something on that route
>>> too.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> We find ourselves with a bit a problem that needs fixing.  The policy
>>>> manual defines the Convention Oversight Committee as follows:  "Four LNC
>>>> Members or Alternates, plus 3 non-LNC members who are recommended by the
>>>> Convention Oversight Committee"  "LNC members selected by the LNC, non-LNC
>>>> members selected by the LNC Chair".
>>>>
>>>> Erin Adams has moved from being a non-LNC member to being a LNC
>>>> Alternate.  I have two alternatives on how to do it.  I highly value Erin's
>>>> work ethic and contribution to the COC and wish to keep her as a full
>>>> voting member of the committee.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> First, we could just do the following:
>>>>
>>>> "Move to ratify Erin Adams, Whitney Bilyeu, William Brackeen, Sam
>>>> Goldstein, Daniel Hayes, Alicia Mattson, and BetteRose Ryan as members of
>>>> the Convention Oversight Committee for the current term, notwithstanding
>>>> any rules in the LNC Policy Manual."
>>>>
>>>> I included all the names because if we ratified one person but not the
>>>> others, that might create some other problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This following option is a bit messier but more certain:
>>>>
>>>> "Move to amend the chart in the LNC policy manual section 1.03 to
>>>> define the size of the Convention Oversight Committee as,
>>>> 'Seven members composed of up to five LNC Members or Alternates, plus
>>>> up to three non-LNC members who are recommended by the Convention Oversight
>>>> Committee.';
>>>> to sunset upon expiration of the current COC term and to ratify Erin
>>>> Adams' position as a member of the Convention Oversight Committee."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My reason for the "up to" language is because life has a funny way of
>>>> throwing us twists.  IF for some reason a LNC member of the COC were to
>>>> vacate their seat before the end of their term, I would expect us to
>>>> restore the composition to 4 LNC and 3 non LNC members of the COC. The
>>>> sunset is there to restore the original intent once this term is over.
>>>>
>>>> I am not seeking co-sponsors for either motion yet, as I am checking a
>>>> sense of the body to see which route we prefer to use.
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>> LNC COC Vice-Chair
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
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