[Lnc-business] Convention Oversight Committee Housekeeping

Sam Goldstein goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
Wed Jun 28 16:29:41 EDT 2017


Write it up, Danno.  I'll co-sponsor.

Sam

Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
Member at Large
8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
Indianapolis IN 46260
317-850-0726 Phone
317-582-1773 Fax

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Works for me, although I haven't thought carefully about the last part
> yet.
> On Jun 28, 2017 2:37 PM, "Daniel Hayes" <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> Joshua,
>>
>> How about we make the amendment now to "5 LNC members and Alternates and
>> 2 non-LNC members". Appoint Erin to the COC.  Then in KC we can create the
>> rule that allows members already appointed to a committee to finish their
>> term if something changes in their status.  At that point we can change the
>> policy manual back to 4 LNC or Alternates and 3 non-LNC members.
>>
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not at the moment. I'll work on some tonight. I think I'd prefer the idea
>> of making a rule letting people stay on committees, though.
>> On Jun 28, 2017 1:49 PM, "Sam Goldstein" <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joshua,
>>>
>>> That is why Daniel is floating these ideas here.  To get the current
>>> problem resolved
>>> ASAP since the COC has some important votes before the August LNC
>>> meeting.
>>>
>>> Can you propose revised language for option 2?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Member at Large
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone
>>> 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a particular reason we couldn't fix it this way, by email?
>>>>
>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, the reason for not waiting till August is we will possibly be
>>>>> having some very substantive votes before the August LNC meeting and I
>>>>> would rather have the full COC able to legally vote.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be in favour of that.  Often times person who will end up
>>>>> filling LNC vacancies are those involved already somewhere and showing
>>>>> leadership.  I don't think we should be removing those people from
>>>>> consideration to fill a remaining term or making the other committees
>>>>> suffer.  The spirit of the rule is to make a good faith to diversify
>>>>> positions, but having a crystal ball shouldn't be part of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I would support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <
>>>>> danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was actually considering broaching that change for the meeting in
>>>>>> Kansas City.  I think we should add a provision that if you are on a
>>>>>> committee and your status changes by becoming LNC or Alternate or other
>>>>>> such shift like being one of the regional reps on the ASC and you end up
>>>>>> appointed as in an At Large position, you maintain your position on the
>>>>>> committee for the duration of that term.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer the second.  And wouldn't there be a different threshold?
>>>>>> If we are going to over-ride the policy manual  - we do it the right way by
>>>>>> editing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think perhaps this brings up something that might need to be a
>>>>>> permanent change - when people end up on the LNC but were not when they
>>>>>> were appointed.  I would be amenable to looking at something on that route
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Daniel Hayes <
>>>>>> danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We find ourselves with a bit a problem that needs fixing.  The
>>>>>>> policy manual defines the Convention Oversight Committee as follows:  "Four
>>>>>>> LNC Members or Alternates, plus 3 non-LNC members who are recommended by
>>>>>>> the Convention Oversight Committee"  "LNC members selected by the LNC,
>>>>>>> non-LNC members selected by the LNC Chair".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erin Adams has moved from being a non-LNC member to being a LNC
>>>>>>> Alternate.  I have two alternatives on how to do it.  I highly value Erin's
>>>>>>> work ethic and contribution to the COC and wish to keep her as a full
>>>>>>> voting member of the committee.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, we could just do the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Move to ratify Erin Adams, Whitney Bilyeu, William Brackeen, Sam
>>>>>>> Goldstein, Daniel Hayes, Alicia Mattson, and BetteRose Ryan as members of
>>>>>>> the Convention Oversight Committee for the current term, notwithstanding
>>>>>>> any rules in the LNC Policy Manual."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I included all the names because if we ratified one person but not
>>>>>>> the others, that might create some other problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This following option is a bit messier but more certain:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Move to amend the chart in the LNC policy manual section 1.03 to
>>>>>>> define the size of the Convention Oversight Committee as,
>>>>>>> 'Seven members composed of up to five LNC Members or Alternates,
>>>>>>> plus up to three non-LNC members who are recommended by the Convention
>>>>>>> Oversight Committee.';
>>>>>>> to sunset upon expiration of the current COC term and to ratify Erin
>>>>>>> Adams' position as a member of the Convention Oversight Committee."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My reason for the "up to" language is because life has a funny way
>>>>>>> of throwing us twists.  IF for some reason a LNC member of the COC were to
>>>>>>> vacate their seat before the end of their term, I would expect us to
>>>>>>> restore the composition to 4 LNC and 3 non LNC members of the COC. The
>>>>>>> sunset is there to restore the original intent once this term is over.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not seeking co-sponsors for either motion yet, as I am checking
>>>>>>> a sense of the body to see which route we prefer to use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>> LNC COC Vice-Chair
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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