[Lnc-business] Convention Oversight Committee Housekeeping

Wed Jun 28 20:31:37 EDT 2017

I don't know that the COC will be taking earth-shattering votes on July
3rd.  Maybe there's something bigger on the horizon than I'm thinking, but
I think we'd be okay even if Erin were only technically participating as a
volunteer for that one meeting.

-Alicia

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree with Alicia's responses above and am OK with her proposed change
> to the
> policy manual.  This is a matter of some urgency since the next COC
> meeting be
> on July 3rd.
>
> Sam
>
> Sam Goldstein
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> Member at Large
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> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alicia makes very good points.
>>
>> It seems to really matter in some committees and not as critical in
>> others.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:09 PM Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not in favor of a general rule which says that once an appointment
>>> is made, it is good for the duration of the term even if eligibility
>>> changes in the meantime.
>>>
>>> Consider the Employment Policy and Compensation Committee.  Our policy
>>> makes the LNC Chair ineligible to serve.  Suppose a Chair is hit by the
>>> proverbial bus.  Suppose the person chosen to fill the Chair vacancy was
>>> previously appointed to the EPCC.  Having the Chair (staff supervisor)
>>> serve on the EPCC could be a problem.  Suppose the new Chair asks staff to
>>> violate some policies.  The EPCC is the entity that the staff should
>>> contact in such a situation, but now their boss is on the EPCC, so they're
>>> not going to do that.
>>>
>>> Consider the Executive Committee.  The 4 officers are ex-officio members
>>> of the ExComm.  Suppose an officer resigns.  Do we want that person to
>>> continue to serve on the ExComm, though they're no longer on the LNC?
>>>
>>> There are probably other examples as well that could be problematic.
>>> Let's just address the situation at hand and not monkey with the system
>>> further.
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:53 AM, David Demarest <
>>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From a common sense perspective, I will support the proposal for adding
>>>> a provision that a subsequent LNC status change would not affect a prior
>>>> Committee appointment for the duration of the committee appointment term.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2017 1:40 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a particular reason we couldn't fix it this way, by email?
>>>>>
>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, the reason for not waiting till August is we will possibly be
>>>>>> having some very substantive votes before the August LNC meeting and I
>>>>>> would rather have the full COC able to legally vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be in favour of that.  Often times person who will end up
>>>>>> filling LNC vacancies are those involved already somewhere and showing
>>>>>> leadership.  I don't think we should be removing those people from
>>>>>> consideration to fill a remaining term or making the other committees
>>>>>> suffer.  The spirit of the rule is to make a good faith to diversify
>>>>>> positions, but having a crystal ball shouldn't be part of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I would support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <
>>>>>> danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was actually considering broaching that change for the meeting in
>>>>>>> Kansas City.  I think we should add a provision that if you are on a
>>>>>>> committee and your status changes by becoming LNC or Alternate or other
>>>>>>> such shift like being one of the regional reps on the ASC and you end up
>>>>>>> appointed as in an At Large position, you maintain your position on the
>>>>>>> committee for the duration of that term.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I prefer the second.  And wouldn't there be a different threshold?
>>>>>>> If we are going to over-ride the policy manual  - we do it the right way by
>>>>>>> editing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think perhaps this brings up something that might need to be a
>>>>>>> permanent change - when people end up on the LNC but were not when they
>>>>>>> were appointed.  I would be amenable to looking at something on that route
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Daniel Hayes <
>>>>>>> danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We find ourselves with a bit a problem that needs fixing.  The
>>>>>>>> policy manual defines the Convention Oversight Committee as follows:  "Four
>>>>>>>> LNC Members or Alternates, plus 3 non-LNC members who are recommended by
>>>>>>>> the Convention Oversight Committee"  "LNC members selected by the LNC,
>>>>>>>> non-LNC members selected by the LNC Chair".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erin Adams has moved from being a non-LNC member to being a LNC
>>>>>>>> Alternate.  I have two alternatives on how to do it.  I highly value Erin's
>>>>>>>> work ethic and contribution to the COC and wish to keep her as a full
>>>>>>>> voting member of the committee.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, we could just do the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Move to ratify Erin Adams, Whitney Bilyeu, William Brackeen, Sam
>>>>>>>> Goldstein, Daniel Hayes, Alicia Mattson, and BetteRose Ryan as members of
>>>>>>>> the Convention Oversight Committee for the current term, notwithstanding
>>>>>>>> any rules in the LNC Policy Manual."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I included all the names because if we ratified one person but not
>>>>>>>> the others, that might create some other problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This following option is a bit messier but more certain:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Move to amend the chart in the LNC policy manual section 1.03 to
>>>>>>>> define the size of the Convention Oversight Committee as,
>>>>>>>> 'Seven members composed of up to five LNC Members or Alternates,
>>>>>>>> plus up to three non-LNC members who are recommended by the Convention
>>>>>>>> Oversight Committee.';
>>>>>>>> to sunset upon expiration of the current COC term and to ratify
>>>>>>>> Erin Adams' position as a member of the Convention Oversight Committee."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My reason for the "up to" language is because life has a funny way
>>>>>>>> of throwing us twists.  IF for some reason a LNC member of the COC were to
>>>>>>>> vacate their seat before the end of their term, I would expect us to
>>>>>>>> restore the composition to 4 LNC and 3 non LNC members of the COC. The
>>>>>>>> sunset is there to restore the original intent once this term is over.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not seeking co-sponsors for either motion yet, as I am
>>>>>>>> checking a sense of the body to see which route we prefer to use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>>> LNC COC Vice-Chair
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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