[Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to support campaign of Joe Buchman

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Joe got in the debates - this is getting momentum.  I am once again asking
for the needed co-sponsors.

-Caryn Ann

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Nick,
>
> I am sure you are already on it but would this warrant a letter from
> Oliver?  It sounds like it may.  Only including two people from the old
> establishment parties in the debate, for the sake of time as the criteria I
> have seen for the inclusion, doesn't seem unbiased to me.  AFP is a
> non-profit as I recall. That might put AFP in an even more precarious
> position than the television station in Montana.
>
> As this is regarding potential legal action, I don't expect much of a
> response here on this public list.  I am certain the letters,
> correspondence, filings and other actions, if appropriate, will be put into
> action by those with the letters J.D. behind their name.
>
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dr. Buchman sent this to me this morning to provide an answer to Ken's
> inquiry and to give information and a request about the debates he has been
> excluded from.  It did not make it to my inbox however and he re-sent to me
> after speaking on the phone this evening and since that time he has been
> officially denied debate access (as per the response I posted in another
> LNC business thread).  But please take this information into consideration
> in this request.
>
> I know that we want to develop a candidate assistance procedure.  And I
> understand that is on the agenda for August. But I ask please do not let
> that get in the way of assisting a candidate now.  It is not the fault of
> the candidates that we don't yet have such a procedure and this is in the
> only Federal race now - great opportunity to get attention for a committed
> Libertarian candidate.  Please consider this request..... and in member
> relations purpose, it does not help member confidence when we are not
> assisting when we can in a race that has the sole stage right now.
>
> >>>Why won't we assist with the campaign of this candidate in the Federal
> race?
>
> >>>Because we don't have criteria for assistance.
>
> >>>Why don't you have criteria?
>
> >>>Because we haven't done it yet.
>
> >>>So candidates suffer from LNC lack of establishment of protocol?
>
> The Mark Wicks donation invigorated that race and our members.  This could
> do likewise.  Please co-sponsor my request.
>
> The below is from Dr. Buchman:
>
> ===========
>
> I am asking for help from those who have connections with Americans for
> Prosperity in my request to be included in their Third District candidate
> debates.  Please see the email I sent to them copied below and help if you
> can.
>
> As I said in the KSL interview, the first step toward winning is getting
> into these debates.  I see getting into the debates as where the focus
> should be, just as a mountain climber focuses on the next step, or Governor
> Johnson focuses on the next curve in his mountain road.  To focus on
> "winning the race" rather than those immediate intermediate goals is not a
> winning strategy; it's delusional.   I did not say, and have never said,
>  "I am not going to win."  What I said was: "I am not running to win . .
> . primarily I am running, first, to get into the debates."   I also said:
> "The chances of a Libertarian winning the Third District in Utah are not
> impossible; I’m swinging; I’m going to go for it; I’m giving it everything
> I have. "
>
> I sure wish saying that had made every KSL and LNC listener "happy."
>
> I'll leave it to others to discern if my interview with Doug Wright (has
> invited me back again) is fairly characterized as a "concession speech."
>
> If that has left you off-put for listening to the entire interview, I'd
> ask you  read the following for the full context and  reconsider:
>
> WRIGHT: This gentleman has some KSL connections that we’ll talk about some
> other time, but I want to really get into the motivation, what caused you
> to want to get into this race; you’ve got a PhD, you’re running as a
> Libertarian, so let’s just set the stage. Give us a little background on
> you and why you are in this race.
>
>
>
> BUCHMAN: You know Doug, when I walked into your waiting room, I see there
> in the lobby, huge letters on the wall, “A Light of Truth in the World.”
> The truth that I run on is the foundation of Libertarian politics which is
> the fundamental principle in our philosophy that drives our politics, our
> ethics, our morality and those other fields of philosophy of which politics
> is one, is pretty simple, that is that no human being should have the right
> to initiate force, violence against others, to initiate force. And then the
> second core principle is that you either own your physical body, it’s yours
> to do with as you see fit, or you’re part slave; you’re owned by someone
> else. So we take the principles of non-initiation of aggression and
> self-ownership and we apply them to politics.
>
>
>
> Like you said, I am a college professor, that’s where I am coming from.  I
> am not running to win, the chances of a Libertarian winning the Third
> District in Utah are not impossible; I’m swinging; I’m going to go for it;
> I’m giving it everything I have . . .
>
>
>
> WRIGHT: right . . .
>
>
>
> BUCHMAN: . . . if I can get Rosie O’ Donnell to retweet something, who
> knows . . .
>
>
>
> WRIGHT: It worked for Dr. Allen.
>
>
>
> BUCHMAN: . . . or Drew Carey, or Penn & Teller or some other Libertarians
> who we are reaching out to, who knows? Anything is possible; but primarily
> I am running, first of all, to get into the debates. We need a Libertarian
> voice in the debates.
>
>
>
> My email to Americans for Prosperity:
>
>
> From: Joseph Buchman <drbuchman at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 3:45 PM
> Subject: Third District Candidate debate
> To: infout at afphq.org
>
> I am writing as the Libertarian Party of Utah's candidate for the Third
> District to request inclusion in the debates sponsored by Americans For
> Prosperity.
>
> See, for example, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154532862
> 572120&set=gm.1744266952269118&type=3&theater
>
> I am on the ballot as a General Election candidate for this office, see:
>
> https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-candidate-filings
>
> In the absence of an invitation to participate in your debates, may I
> inquire of the standards/process for your selection of candidates?
>
> Thanks for your attention to this request,
>
> Joe
>
>
> These debates were announced on Friday; the first debate is to be held
> tomorrow (Tuesday evening).  I'll be there either in the audience or on
> the stage. See:
>
> http://www.sltrib.com/news/5485360-155/two-debates-set-for-t
> hree-republican
>
> And while they are now being repurposed as for the "Republican primary
> candidates only" please note the portion of the article which indicates the
> Democrat was invited.
>
> "Democrat Kathie Allen — who's raised nearly $700,000 in donations — did
> not respond to an invitation to join the event, Everton said."
>
> Evelyn Everton is the Utah State Director for Americans for Prosperity.
>
> Again any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I hope you'll listen to the entire KSL interview and form your own opinion
> of it.  I'm sure I could have done better and continue to seek your
> constructive feedback as well as help in having Americans for Prosperity
> include the Libertarian in their debates.
>
> Thanks again for your consideration,
>
> Joe
> _______________________
> Joseph G. Buchman, PhD
> 584 Hillside Circle
> Alpine UT 84004
> +++++++++++
>
>
> ---------Caryn Ann
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Very good points Starchild and both views are represented in our
>> membership.
>>
>> I certainly hope we don't divisively "take sides" on that.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> You're certainly not the first Libertarian to express a disappointed
>>> emotional reaction to a candidate's realistic appraisal of his or her
>>> chances, but to you and any other Libertarian who has felt this way, I say
>>> take heart! One can lose in conventional terms and still win in libertarian
>>> terms. A *conventional* win means the warm body you support occupying
>>> the sought-after office. A *libertarian* win, however, means advancing
>>> the cause of freedom! Such wins can happen in any number of ways – building
>>> momentum for a future run, exposing more people to libertarian ideas,
>>> building the party, etc. Of course the cause of freedom is *usually*
>>> more likely to be advanced by a Libertarian occupying the sought-after
>>> office than by not occupying it – but it isn't the be-all, end-all it's too
>>> often made out to be. In some ways, the real fight begins *after* an
>>> election is won. If an elected Libertarian isn't mentally prepared to stick
>>> to his or her libertarian principles and positions, or doesn't have solidly
>>> libertarian principles or positions to begin with, the real, post-election
>>> fight for what s/he will do in office is as good as lost. Amid the statist
>>> culture and pressures in which s/he will be immersed, such an elected
>>> Libertarian will have little chance of surviving with an agenda to advance
>>> the cause of freedom intact.
>>>
>>> *Predicting* an election loss also isn't the same thing as *conceding*.
>>> When a candidate *concedes* a race, s/he is saying "the campaign is
>>> over, my opponent won". Clearly Joe Buchman is saying no such thing! From
>>> appearances, he is running and will continue to run a vigorous campaign and
>>> seek as much exposure for our ideas and as many votes as possible. He is
>>> running to win in libertarian terms. But is it wise to predict a loss at
>>> the ballot box? While miracles occasionally do happen and I've suggested
>>> candidates leave the perceptions door open by not entirely ruling out the
>>> possibility of getting elected, I would much rather see a Libertarian
>>> fighting a long-shot campaign – and this is obviously a long-shot campaign;
>>> no Libertarian has come close to being elected to Congress – say flat-out
>>> that s/he won't win, than to flat-out say that s/he will. Any candidate
>>> facing those kind of odds who predicts electoral victory is either
>>> deceiving him/herself, or attempting to deceive others. The former shows a
>>> poor grasp of reality, while the latter shows a lack of integrity. Neither
>>> reflects well on the candidate! Joe, by contrast, showed his good character
>>> by giving an honest and realistic assessment of his chances. For every
>>> person out there who thinks, 'I want to vote for someone who tells me
>>> s/he's going to win', I believe there's another person out there thinking,
>>> 'I want to vote for someone who has integrity and tells the truth'. To
>>> which type of voter mentality should we, as the Party of Principle, be
>>> trying to appeal?
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>>                                      ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>                           RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>                                   (415) 625-FREE
>>>                                    @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:00 AM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>
>>> I found out about this campaign yesterday (now, 2 days ago) and the
>>> referenced KSL interview almost immediately starts with the candidate
>>> saying "I'm not going to win."  It made me sad. More importantly, I can't
>>> agree to give money to someone who has already conceded the race.  I mean,
>>> what is the money going to be used for?  Losing better?
>>>
>>> By contrast, from what I can see, candidates like Laura Ebke and at
>>> least one of the recent converts in NH are gearing up re-election campaigns
>>> with the intent to win. They certainly haven't publicly conceded, anyway.
>>> There are lots of candidates throughout the country gearing up for 2018
>>> races. 4 L converts and many other candidates looking to run winnable
>>> races.
>>>
>>> If this body decides to support candidates, I'd really rather see this
>>> body support candidates that are running to win.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello everyone, I received the below request from Dr. Joe Buchman
>>>> (Utah) and have been speaking with him about this for the past few weeks.
>>>> I would like us to consider assisting him to our maximum allowed of 5K.
>>>>
>>>> ========
>>>>
>>>> To the members of the LNC:
>>>>
>>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz nine days ago from the Third
>>>> District of Utah has created a Special Election to be held 7 November
>>>> 2017.
>>>>
>>>> Joe Buchman is the Libertarian Candidate for that seat and following a
>>>> special election convention by the Libertarian Party of Utah is on the
>>>> ballot for November 7th.   There is a Democratic opponent.  Three
>>>> Republicans will face each other in a primary next month.
>>>>
>>>> See: https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-cand
>>>> idate-filings
>>>>
>>>> This is, we believe, the only remaining contest for federal office in
>>>> 2017 with a Libertarian candidate.
>>>>
>>>> To date Dr. Buchman has invested $1,000.00 of his personal funds in the
>>>> campaign and has raised approximately $250.00 from other donors, with
>>>> promises for about $500 in process.
>>>>
>>>> Joe has just been scheduled as the sole guest for the first hour of
>>>> Coast to Coast AM, a national networked late-night radio talk show with an
>>>> estimated *2.5 million listeners*, for *Saturday evening, July 29th,
>>>> 10:05PM to 11:00PM Pacific time*.  Past show hosts Art Bell and Rollye
>>>> James were self-identified Libertarians, and past guests have included
>>>> Judge Jim Gray, Michael Badnarik, Aaron Russo, Harry Browne, Andre Marrou
>>>> and Dr. Buchman himself (in 2008, when he last ran for the US Congress).
>>>>
>>>> See: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/search/?query=libertarian
>>>>
>>>> Joe will be discussing his campaign for the US Congress, his platform
>>>> as an expression of the NAP and Self-Ownership paradigms, will be directing
>>>> listeners to his website and will be requesting donations.  The Coast to
>>>> Coast website will also provide a link to his campaign site -
>>>> www.GotoL.vote
>>>>
>>>> This is a request for national party funding for this singularly
>>>> important Special Election campaign.
>>>>
>>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz has already generated
>>>> significant national media attention, and this race is likely to continue
>>>> to generate national media coverage as the replacement of Congressman
>>>> Chaffetz will reflect, to some degree, a measure of voter confidence in the
>>>> Trump administration.
>>>>
>>>> The Libertarian Party nationally will benefit from this election, the
>>>> last of 2017 to include a Libertarian candidate for federal office.
>>>>
>>>> If a funding agreement can be reached prior to the show, Dr. Buchman
>>>> would then appeal to Coast to Coast listeners with a promise that any
>>>> donations received during the show will be matched dollar-for-dollar.  The
>>>> show will be replayed and will also be available as a download from the
>>>> network website.
>>>>
>>>> Joe has been interviewed by three local papers (the Salt Lake Tribune,
>>>> Deseret News and City Weekly) and by KSL Radio's Doug Wright.
>>>>
>>>> That 9 minute radio interview can be found at:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ksl.com/?nid=1388&a=11898
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line: Joe is experienced with media interviews, had a prior
>>>> career in radio (including working with Bill Redpath at WTTS radio in the
>>>> 1970s), is passionate about both Libertarian political pragmatism and
>>>> philosophy, *and is currently scheduled for one of the most visible
>>>> media appearances by any Libertarian Candidate this month* (and
>>>> perhaps for the remainder of this year).
>>>>
>>>> This special election creates something of a special case for funding;
>>>> an amount equivalent to that provided to the recent candidate in Montana
>>>> would seem equitable.
>>>>
>>>> With gratitude for your consideration of this request,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> PS If you do choose to listen to the KSL interview and/or to review the
>>>> website and links to the print interviews there; ALL feedback, suggestions
>>>> for improvement are also welcomed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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