[Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to support campaign of Joe Buchman
David Demarest
dprattdemarest at gmail.com
Tue Jul 11 14:08:37 EDT 2017
I will co-sponsor.
On Jul 11, 2017 12:32 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Joe got in the debates - this is getting momentum. I am once again asking
> for the needed co-sponsors.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nick,
>>
>> I am sure you are already on it but would this warrant a letter from
>> Oliver? It sounds like it may. Only including two people from the old
>> establishment parties in the debate, for the sake of time as the criteria I
>> have seen for the inclusion, doesn't seem unbiased to me. AFP is a
>> non-profit as I recall. That might put AFP in an even more precarious
>> position than the television station in Montana.
>>
>> As this is regarding potential legal action, I don't expect much of a
>> response here on this public list. I am certain the letters,
>> correspondence, filings and other actions, if appropriate, will be put into
>> action by those with the letters J.D. behind their name.
>>
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dr. Buchman sent this to me this morning to provide an answer to Ken's
>> inquiry and to give information and a request about the debates he has been
>> excluded from. It did not make it to my inbox however and he re-sent to me
>> after speaking on the phone this evening and since that time he has been
>> officially denied debate access (as per the response I posted in another
>> LNC business thread). But please take this information into consideration
>> in this request.
>>
>> I know that we want to develop a candidate assistance procedure. And I
>> understand that is on the agenda for August. But I ask please do not let
>> that get in the way of assisting a candidate now. It is not the fault of
>> the candidates that we don't yet have such a procedure and this is in the
>> only Federal race now - great opportunity to get attention for a committed
>> Libertarian candidate. Please consider this request..... and in member
>> relations purpose, it does not help member confidence when we are not
>> assisting when we can in a race that has the sole stage right now.
>>
>> >>>Why won't we assist with the campaign of this candidate in the Federal
>> race?
>>
>> >>>Because we don't have criteria for assistance.
>>
>> >>>Why don't you have criteria?
>>
>> >>>Because we haven't done it yet.
>>
>> >>>So candidates suffer from LNC lack of establishment of protocol?
>>
>> The Mark Wicks donation invigorated that race and our members. This
>> could do likewise. Please co-sponsor my request.
>>
>> The below is from Dr. Buchman:
>>
>> ===========
>>
>> I am asking for help from those who have connections with Americans for
>> Prosperity in my request to be included in their Third District candidate
>> debates. Please see the email I sent to them copied below and help if you
>> can.
>>
>> As I said in the KSL interview, the first step toward winning is getting
>> into these debates. I see getting into the debates as where the focus
>> should be, just as a mountain climber focuses on the next step, or Governor
>> Johnson focuses on the next curve in his mountain road. To focus on
>> "winning the race" rather than those immediate intermediate goals is not a
>> winning strategy; it's delusional. I did not say, and have never said,
>> "I am not going to win." What I said was: "I am not running to win . .
>> . primarily I am running, first, to get into the debates." I also
>> said: "The chances of a Libertarian winning the Third District in Utah
>> are not impossible; I’m swinging; I’m going to go for it; I’m giving it
>> everything I have. "
>>
>> I sure wish saying that had made every KSL and LNC listener "happy."
>>
>> I'll leave it to others to discern if my interview with Doug Wright (has
>> invited me back again) is fairly characterized as a "concession speech."
>>
>> If that has left you off-put for listening to the entire interview, I'd
>> ask you read the following for the full context and reconsider:
>>
>> WRIGHT: This gentleman has some KSL connections that we’ll talk about
>> some other time, but I want to really get into the motivation, what caused
>> you to want to get into this race; you’ve got a PhD, you’re running as a
>> Libertarian, so let’s just set the stage. Give us a little background on
>> you and why you are in this race.
>>
>>
>>
>> BUCHMAN: You know Doug, when I walked into your waiting room, I see there
>> in the lobby, huge letters on the wall, “A Light of Truth in the World.”
>> The truth that I run on is the foundation of Libertarian politics which is
>> the fundamental principle in our philosophy that drives our politics, our
>> ethics, our morality and those other fields of philosophy of which politics
>> is one, is pretty simple, that is that no human being should have the right
>> to initiate force, violence against others, to initiate force. And then the
>> second core principle is that you either own your physical body, it’s yours
>> to do with as you see fit, or you’re part slave; you’re owned by someone
>> else. So we take the principles of non-initiation of aggression and
>> self-ownership and we apply them to politics.
>>
>>
>>
>> Like you said, I am a college professor, that’s where I am coming from.
>> I am not running to win, the chances of a Libertarian winning the Third
>> District in Utah are not impossible; I’m swinging; I’m going to go for it;
>> I’m giving it everything I have . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> WRIGHT: right . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> BUCHMAN: . . . if I can get Rosie O’ Donnell to retweet something, who
>> knows . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> WRIGHT: It worked for Dr. Allen.
>>
>>
>>
>> BUCHMAN: . . . or Drew Carey, or Penn & Teller or some other Libertarians
>> who we are reaching out to, who knows? Anything is possible; but primarily
>> I am running, first of all, to get into the debates. We need a Libertarian
>> voice in the debates.
>>
>>
>>
>> My email to Americans for Prosperity:
>>
>>
>> From: Joseph Buchman <drbuchman at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 3:45 PM
>> Subject: Third District Candidate debate
>> To: infout at afphq.org
>>
>> I am writing as the Libertarian Party of Utah's candidate for the Third
>> District to request inclusion in the debates sponsored by Americans For
>> Prosperity.
>>
>> See, for example, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154532862
>> 572120&set=gm.1744266952269118&type=3&theater
>>
>> I am on the ballot as a General Election candidate for this office, see:
>>
>> https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-candidate-filings
>>
>> In the absence of an invitation to participate in your debates, may I
>> inquire of the standards/process for your selection of candidates?
>>
>> Thanks for your attention to this request,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> These debates were announced on Friday; the first debate is to be held
>> tomorrow (Tuesday evening). I'll be there either in the audience or on
>> the stage. See:
>>
>> http://www.sltrib.com/news/5485360-155/two-debates-set-for-t
>> hree-republican
>>
>> And while they are now being repurposed as for the "Republican primary
>> candidates only" please note the portion of the article which indicates the
>> Democrat was invited.
>>
>> "Democrat Kathie Allen — who's raised nearly $700,000 in donations — did
>> not respond to an invitation to join the event, Everton said."
>>
>> Evelyn Everton is the Utah State Director for Americans for Prosperity.
>>
>> Again any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> I hope you'll listen to the entire KSL interview and form your own
>> opinion of it. I'm sure I could have done better and continue to seek your
>> constructive feedback as well as help in having Americans for Prosperity
>> include the Libertarian in their debates.
>>
>> Thanks again for your consideration,
>>
>> Joe
>> _______________________
>> Joseph G. Buchman, PhD
>> 584 Hillside Circle
>> Alpine UT 84004
>> +++++++++++
>>
>>
>> ---------Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Very good points Starchild and both views are represented in our
>>> membership.
>>>
>>> I certainly hope we don't divisively "take sides" on that.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ken,
>>>>
>>>> You're certainly not the first Libertarian to express a disappointed
>>>> emotional reaction to a candidate's realistic appraisal of his or her
>>>> chances, but to you and any other Libertarian who has felt this way, I say
>>>> take heart! One can lose in conventional terms and still win in libertarian
>>>> terms. A *conventional* win means the warm body you support occupying
>>>> the sought-after office. A *libertarian* win, however, means advancing
>>>> the cause of freedom! Such wins can happen in any number of ways – building
>>>> momentum for a future run, exposing more people to libertarian ideas,
>>>> building the party, etc. Of course the cause of freedom is *usually*
>>>> more likely to be advanced by a Libertarian occupying the sought-after
>>>> office than by not occupying it – but it isn't the be-all, end-all it's too
>>>> often made out to be. In some ways, the real fight begins *after* an
>>>> election is won. If an elected Libertarian isn't mentally prepared to stick
>>>> to his or her libertarian principles and positions, or doesn't have solidly
>>>> libertarian principles or positions to begin with, the real, post-election
>>>> fight for what s/he will do in office is as good as lost. Amid the statist
>>>> culture and pressures in which s/he will be immersed, such an elected
>>>> Libertarian will have little chance of surviving with an agenda to advance
>>>> the cause of freedom intact.
>>>>
>>>> *Predicting* an election loss also isn't the same thing as *conceding*.
>>>> When a candidate *concedes* a race, s/he is saying "the campaign is
>>>> over, my opponent won". Clearly Joe Buchman is saying no such thing! From
>>>> appearances, he is running and will continue to run a vigorous campaign and
>>>> seek as much exposure for our ideas and as many votes as possible. He is
>>>> running to win in libertarian terms. But is it wise to predict a loss at
>>>> the ballot box? While miracles occasionally do happen and I've suggested
>>>> candidates leave the perceptions door open by not entirely ruling out the
>>>> possibility of getting elected, I would much rather see a Libertarian
>>>> fighting a long-shot campaign – and this is obviously a long-shot campaign;
>>>> no Libertarian has come close to being elected to Congress – say flat-out
>>>> that s/he won't win, than to flat-out say that s/he will. Any candidate
>>>> facing those kind of odds who predicts electoral victory is either
>>>> deceiving him/herself, or attempting to deceive others. The former shows a
>>>> poor grasp of reality, while the latter shows a lack of integrity. Neither
>>>> reflects well on the candidate! Joe, by contrast, showed his good character
>>>> by giving an honest and realistic assessment of his chances. For every
>>>> person out there who thinks, 'I want to vote for someone who tells me
>>>> s/he's going to win', I believe there's another person out there thinking,
>>>> 'I want to vote for someone who has integrity and tells the truth'. To
>>>> which type of voter mentality should we, as the Party of Principle, be
>>>> trying to appeal?
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>
>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:00 AM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I found out about this campaign yesterday (now, 2 days ago) and the
>>>> referenced KSL interview almost immediately starts with the candidate
>>>> saying "I'm not going to win." It made me sad. More importantly, I can't
>>>> agree to give money to someone who has already conceded the race. I mean,
>>>> what is the money going to be used for? Losing better?
>>>>
>>>> By contrast, from what I can see, candidates like Laura Ebke and at
>>>> least one of the recent converts in NH are gearing up re-election campaigns
>>>> with the intent to win. They certainly haven't publicly conceded, anyway.
>>>> There are lots of candidates throughout the country gearing up for 2018
>>>> races. 4 L converts and many other candidates looking to run winnable
>>>> races.
>>>>
>>>> If this body decides to support candidates, I'd really rather see this
>>>> body support candidates that are running to win.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone, I received the below request from Dr. Joe Buchman
>>>>> (Utah) and have been speaking with him about this for the past few weeks.
>>>>> I would like us to consider assisting him to our maximum allowed of 5K.
>>>>>
>>>>> ========
>>>>>
>>>>> To the members of the LNC:
>>>>>
>>>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz nine days ago from the
>>>>> Third District of Utah has created a Special Election to be held 7
>>>>> November 2017.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Buchman is the Libertarian Candidate for that seat and following a
>>>>> special election convention by the Libertarian Party of Utah is on the
>>>>> ballot for November 7th. There is a Democratic opponent. Three
>>>>> Republicans will face each other in a primary next month.
>>>>>
>>>>> See: https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-cand
>>>>> idate-filings
>>>>>
>>>>> This is, we believe, the only remaining contest for federal office in
>>>>> 2017 with a Libertarian candidate.
>>>>>
>>>>> To date Dr. Buchman has invested $1,000.00 of his personal funds in
>>>>> the campaign and has raised approximately $250.00 from other donors, with
>>>>> promises for about $500 in process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe has just been scheduled as the sole guest for the first hour of
>>>>> Coast to Coast AM, a national networked late-night radio talk show with an
>>>>> estimated *2.5 million listeners*, for *Saturday evening, July 29th,
>>>>> 10:05PM to 11:00PM Pacific time*. Past show hosts Art Bell and
>>>>> Rollye James were self-identified Libertarians, and past guests have
>>>>> included Judge Jim Gray, Michael Badnarik, Aaron Russo, Harry Browne, Andre
>>>>> Marrou and Dr. Buchman himself (in 2008, when he last ran for the US
>>>>> Congress).
>>>>>
>>>>> See: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/search/?query=libertarian
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe will be discussing his campaign for the US Congress, his platform
>>>>> as an expression of the NAP and Self-Ownership paradigms, will be directing
>>>>> listeners to his website and will be requesting donations. The Coast to
>>>>> Coast website will also provide a link to his campaign site -
>>>>> www.GotoL.vote
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a request for national party funding for this singularly
>>>>> important Special Election campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz has already generated
>>>>> significant national media attention, and this race is likely to continue
>>>>> to generate national media coverage as the replacement of Congressman
>>>>> Chaffetz will reflect, to some degree, a measure of voter confidence in the
>>>>> Trump administration.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Libertarian Party nationally will benefit from this election, the
>>>>> last of 2017 to include a Libertarian candidate for federal office.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a funding agreement can be reached prior to the show, Dr. Buchman
>>>>> would then appeal to Coast to Coast listeners with a promise that any
>>>>> donations received during the show will be matched dollar-for-dollar. The
>>>>> show will be replayed and will also be available as a download from the
>>>>> network website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe has been interviewed by three local papers (the Salt Lake Tribune,
>>>>> Deseret News and City Weekly) and by KSL Radio's Doug Wright.
>>>>>
>>>>> That 9 minute radio interview can be found at:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ksl.com/?nid=1388&a=11898
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottom line: Joe is experienced with media interviews, had a prior
>>>>> career in radio (including working with Bill Redpath at WTTS radio in the
>>>>> 1970s), is passionate about both Libertarian political pragmatism and
>>>>> philosophy, *and is currently scheduled for one of the most visible
>>>>> media appearances by any Libertarian Candidate this month* (and
>>>>> perhaps for the remainder of this year).
>>>>>
>>>>> This special election creates something of a special case for funding;
>>>>> an amount equivalent to that provided to the recent candidate in Montana
>>>>> would seem equitable.
>>>>>
>>>>> With gratitude for your consideration of this request,
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> PS If you do choose to listen to the KSL interview and/or to review
>>>>> the website and links to the print interviews there; ALL feedback,
>>>>> suggestions for improvement are also welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
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>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
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