[Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to support campaign of Joe Buchman
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Sat Jul 15 18:31:18 EDT 2017
Starchild - wrong thread
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 3:11 PM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I vote *yes*.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 7:04 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Thank you Alicia.
>
> Sam, I am copying from the ballot Alicia started:
>
> *Co-Sponsors:* Harlos, Bilyeu, Demarest, Starchild
>
> *Motion:* for the LNC to contribute $5,000 to support the Congressional
> campaign of Joe Buchman (Utah)
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 6:07 AM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Caryn Ann,
>>
>> Please restate your motion and list the other co-sponsors. I can't find
>> it in this
>> very long email stream.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Member at Large
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone
>> 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:22 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I am just making sure this gets bumped up as I have the necessary
>>> co-sponsors and Dr. Buchman was inquiring about the time frame for a vote.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Correction: Joe is running in 2018 when he WINS this race too :) That
>>>> campaign has already started as well.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Joe's doggedness has impressed me and he is campaigning hard. Further
>>>>> in this period of time where members are looking for us to keep up the
>>>>> momentum, this will please members as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once the email vote goes up, please, please vote yes. Do not allow our
>>>>> failure to develop guidelines hurt a life
>>>>> member/hard-working-activist/multiple time candidate. Further he is going
>>>>> to run in 2018 as well if he does not win this race so we are laying
>>>>> groundwork for TWO campaigns. That is amazing.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:00 PM, David Demarest <
>>>>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Starchild, thank you for your careful evaluation of this challenging
>>>>>> question. I agree with your conclusion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the spirit of Libertarianism, competitive bidding is a desired
>>>>>> goal, particularly for governance and social services. However, compulsory
>>>>>> representative democracy is a dysfunctional governance artifice to begin
>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Accordingly, competitive bidding for our campaign financial support
>>>>>> has its limitations and would be impossible to quantify. Guidelines would
>>>>>> be helpful, albeit inevitably subjective based on our evaluation of
>>>>>> candidate merits and electoral race relevance based on our diverse
>>>>>> individual Libertarian principle perspectives that complicate reaching a
>>>>>> consensus. Ad hoc debates like this may be the only realistic option.
>>>>>> Again, however, guidelines would help and the sooner available, the better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suggest that we proceed post haste with guideline development but
>>>>>> in the meantime do not shirk our duty on ad hoc candidate vetting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2017 1:29 PM, "Starchild" <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been torn over this. I consider Joe both a good friend and a
>>>>>>> principled libertarian with excellent ethical instincts, a lack of burning
>>>>>>> ambition, and solid enough balls to stand up and speak out on principle
>>>>>>> when he sees something wrong going on – in short, just the kind of
>>>>>>> Libertarian we need in office. He is waging a radical and spirited campaign
>>>>>>> for public office using wit and humor, the kind of campaign that does us
>>>>>>> credit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nevertheless I am also very much in agreement with Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>> that we need to stop appropriating candidate funds in an ad hoc manner. To
>>>>>>> do so is unfair and probably on the whole produces results that are far
>>>>>>> from optimum, much like awarding contracts without competitive bidding or
>>>>>>> hiring new employees without an open call for applicants. Having not long
>>>>>>> before we received this request presented to the LNC a proposal to address
>>>>>>> this situation, I was at that time of a mind not to support any more such
>>>>>>> requests until we either approve it, or adopt some other reasonable
>>>>>>> approach that strives for fairness, consistency, and equal opportunity in
>>>>>>> how we allocate funds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet against this intent I must now weigh the obvious merits of Joe
>>>>>>> Buchman's campaign and Caryn Ann's strong case on his behalf, including the
>>>>>>> fact that this is the big national campaign we have going right now, and
>>>>>>> Joe is getting great exposure. In the end it is possible I am allowing
>>>>>>> myself to be swayed by friendship and personal familiarity and regard,
>>>>>>> which is precisely the danger of the way we are conducting this process (or
>>>>>>> lack of a process), and if some feel I am making the wrong decision I can't
>>>>>>> really blame them. Nevertheless, I'm going to go ahead and co-sponsor in
>>>>>>> the knowledge that we'll be supporting a terrific candidate and a man of
>>>>>>> integrity who I trust to spend the money wisely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I gather we now have the requisite four votes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe did very well in the debate - he only had the questions ahead of
>>>>>>> time for a few hours while the old party candidates had them for a few
>>>>>>> weeks. He is now working hard to get in the next major debate. This is a
>>>>>>> candidate doing a real campaign... looking for one more co-sponsor.
>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://kutv.com/news/local/3rd-district-candidates-try-to-break-out-of-the-pack-at-debate-in-provo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==But Curtis came with a target on his back. When he told the crowd
>>>>>>> the federal government's proper role included overseeing currency, Buchman
>>>>>>> pounced.
>>>>>>> "Mr. Mayor, I apologize but I get to correct you," he said. "As
>>>>>>> someone who earned a PhD and an MBA in finance, the Federal Reserve is a
>>>>>>> private bank."==
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:30 PM, David Demarest <
>>>>>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regarding Dr. Buchman’s alleged “I can’t win” comment, Larry Sharpe
>>>>>>>> has pointed out that despite the admittedly formidable odds against Larry
>>>>>>>> winning the 2018 New York Governor’s race, it will be worth it not only to
>>>>>>>> lay a foundation for the future but also, and just as important, to provide
>>>>>>>> considerable credibility and word-of-mouth publicity impact to down-ticket
>>>>>>>> races.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *2018 Omaha Roads to Liberty Un-Convention*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LSLA Vice-Chair
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LPNE State Central Committee, Secretary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Ken Moellman
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 9:33 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion
>>>>>>>> to support campaign of Joe Buchman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I cannot co-sponsor because I'm an alternate. However, I have had
>>>>>>>> several conversations and I want to chime back in and revise my statements
>>>>>>>> from my initial email.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not know Dr. Buchman personally, and nothing I said before was
>>>>>>>> meant to be personal. As a former campaign manager, anything that sounds
>>>>>>>> like "I can't win" makes me want to set the room on fire. I'm a bit
>>>>>>>> sensitive on that matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since that time, I have learned more information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The core issue is the use of the funds. If the funds are being
>>>>>>>> used to increase the ability of the campaign to do long-term outreach
>>>>>>>> (supplies promoting the LP, building local parties, etc.), I could be
>>>>>>>> convinced to support such a measure. By contrast, if the funds are being
>>>>>>>> used to purchase supplies like yard signs or other "temporary"
>>>>>>>> campaign-related costs, I'd definitely be against it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm just an alternate, so my vote rarely counts. But after
>>>>>>>> obtaining more information and further thought on the matter, I felt it
>>>>>>>> necessary to append my previous comments with these.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ken
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe is also a friend of mine, and yes, he is "okay" with it,
>>>>>>>> meaning no ill feelings as he is a long-term and dedicated member of the
>>>>>>>> Party who understands that this is business, he certainly urged me to ask,
>>>>>>>> and has been asking me for updates-- so it would mean a great to him and
>>>>>>>> his campaign. This is the only Federal race going on right now - and he
>>>>>>>> just scored a victory getting into a previously denied debate. I have
>>>>>>>> explained the realities of the situation with having no set standards yet
>>>>>>>> and he understands -- but he certainly did ask me to pursue this. And
>>>>>>>> members have asked me about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As to funding ballot access, though I respect my predecessor Norm
>>>>>>>> immensely - he and I are of different minds when it comes to ballot access
>>>>>>>> funding - he would routinely vote no. I have always voted yes. There are
>>>>>>>> many reasons for that but one issue that arises is that Region 1 gets short
>>>>>>>> shrift in that - or it can **appear** so. I am fully on board with the
>>>>>>>> idea that nationwide ballot access benefits everyone, but it is certainly
>>>>>>>> true that these funds do not go to Region 1 - with the highest numerical
>>>>>>>> amounts of affiliates (9 states). Utah is Region 1 and helping with a
>>>>>>>> Region 1 campaign helps to balance this out and thus far, I have had the
>>>>>>>> full support of my regional chairs when supporting ballot access funding
>>>>>>>> because I press the case that region 1 is getting benefits from pushing
>>>>>>>> national memberships and in their national membership.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also urge other members to give a contribution. I will be doing
>>>>>>>> so when I see how this month's finances go.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thank David and Whitney for co-sponsoring. *I ask for one more.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 12:13 PM, William Redpath <
>>>>>>>> wredpath2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe Buchman is a multi-decade friend of mine. I thank him very
>>>>>>>> much for running--he jumped in at the last minute when another candidate
>>>>>>>> backed out--and wish him the best in his Campaign. I have personally
>>>>>>>> contributed $201 to Joe Buchman's Campaign. I urge other members of the
>>>>>>>> LNC to do so, as well. However, I am opposed to the LNC contributing to
>>>>>>>> his Campaign. I have discussed this with Joe, and he is OK with no LNC
>>>>>>>> funding of his Campaign. I wish we did, but the LNC currently does not
>>>>>>>> have the resources to be contributing to many, if any, candidates,
>>>>>>>> particularly when we have other needs, including ballot access in Tennessee
>>>>>>>> and Alabama. And, we have Ohio to finish, and that is a big job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ask people not to co-sponsor this motion and, should it become a
>>>>>>>> motion, to vote "No."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill Redpath
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7/11/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/b/compose?to=carynannharlos@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to
>>>>>>>> support campaign of Joe Buchman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To: "Libertarian National Committee list" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> <https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/b/compose?to=lnc-business@hq.lp.org>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "Joseph Buchman" <drbuchman at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/b/compose?to=drbuchman@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2017, 1:31 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe got in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the debates - this is getting momentum. I am once again
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> asking for the needed co-sponsors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:08 PM, David Demarest <
>>>>>>>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will co-sponsor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2017 12:32 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe got in the debates - this is getting momentum. I am once again
>>>>>>>> asking for the needed co-sponsors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Daniel Hayes <
>>>>>>>> danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nick,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am sure you are already on it but would this warrant a letter
>>>>>>>> from Oliver? It sounds like it may. Only including two people from the
>>>>>>>> old establishment parties in the debate, for the sake of time as the
>>>>>>>> criteria I have seen for the inclusion, doesn't seem unbiased to me. AFP
>>>>>>>> is a non-profit as I recall. That might put AFP in an even more precarious
>>>>>>>> position than the television station in Montana.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As this is regarding potential legal action, I don't expect much of
>>>>>>>> a response here on this public list. I am certain the letters,
>>>>>>>> correspondence, filings and other actions, if appropriate, will be put into
>>>>>>>> action by those with the letters J.D. behind their name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr. Buchman sent this to me this morning to provide an answer to
>>>>>>>> Ken's inquiry and to give information and a request about the debates he
>>>>>>>> has been excluded from. It did not make it to my inbox however and he
>>>>>>>> re-sent to me after speaking on the phone this evening and since that time
>>>>>>>> he has been officially denied debate access (as per the response I posted
>>>>>>>> in another LNC business thread). But please take this information into
>>>>>>>> consideration in this request.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that we want to develop a candidate assistance procedure.
>>>>>>>> And I understand that is on the agenda for August. But I ask please do not
>>>>>>>> let that get in the way of assisting a candidate now. It is not the fault
>>>>>>>> of the candidates that we don't yet have such a procedure and this is in
>>>>>>>> the only Federal race now - great opportunity to get attention for a
>>>>>>>> committed Libertarian candidate. Please consider this request..... and in
>>>>>>>> member relations purpose, it does not help member confidence when we are
>>>>>>>> not assisting when we can in a race that has the sole stage right now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>Why won't we assist with the campaign of this candidate in the
>>>>>>>> Federal race?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>Because we don't have criteria for assistance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>Why don't you have criteria?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>Because we haven't done it yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>So candidates suffer from LNC lack of establishment of protocol?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Mark Wicks donation invigorated that race and our members.
>>>>>>>> This could do likewise. Please co-sponsor my request.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The below is from Dr. Buchman:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am asking for help from those who have connections with Americans
>>>>>>>> for Prosperity in my request to be included in their Third District
>>>>>>>> candidate debates. Please see the email I sent to them copied below and
>>>>>>>> help if you can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I said in the KSL interview, the first step toward winning is
>>>>>>>> getting into these debates. I see getting into the debates as where the
>>>>>>>> focus should be, just as a mountain climber focuses on the next step, or
>>>>>>>> Governor Johnson focuses on the next curve in his mountain road. To focus
>>>>>>>> on "winning the race" rather than those immediate intermediate goals is not
>>>>>>>> a winning strategy; it's delusional. I did not say, and have never said,
>>>>>>>> "I am not going to win." What I said was: "I am not running to win . . .
>>>>>>>> primarily I am running, first, to get into the debates." I also said:
>>>>>>>> "The chances of a Libertarian winning the Third District in Utah are not
>>>>>>>> impossible; I’m swinging; I’m going to go for it; I’m giving it everything
>>>>>>>> I have. "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sure wish saying that had made every KSL and LNC listener "happy."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll leave it to others to discern if my interview with Doug Wright
>>>>>>>> (has invited me back again) is fairly characterized as a "concession
>>>>>>>> speech."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If that has left you off-put for listening to the entire interview,
>>>>>>>> I'd ask you read the following for the full context and reconsider:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WRIGHT: This gentleman has some KSL connections that we’ll talk
>>>>>>>> about some other time, but I want to really get into the motivation, what
>>>>>>>> caused you to want to get into this race; you’ve got a PhD, you’re running
>>>>>>>> as a Libertarian, so let’s just set the stage. Give us a little background
>>>>>>>> on you and why you are in this race.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BUCHMAN: You know Doug, when I walked into your waiting room, I see
>>>>>>>> there in the lobby, huge letters on the wall, “A Light of Truth in the
>>>>>>>> World.” The truth that I run on is the foundation of Libertarian politics
>>>>>>>> which is the fundamental principle in our philosophy that drives our
>>>>>>>> politics, our ethics, our morality and those other fields of philosophy of
>>>>>>>> which politics is one, is pretty simple, that is that no human being should
>>>>>>>> have the right to initiate force, violence against others, to initiate
>>>>>>>> force. And then the second core principle is that you either own your
>>>>>>>> physical body, it’s yours to do with as you see fit, or you’re part slave;
>>>>>>>> you’re owned by someone else. So we take the principles of non-initiation
>>>>>>>> of aggression and self-ownership and we apply them to politics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like you said, I am a college professor, that’s where I am coming
>>>>>>>> from. I am not running to win, the chances of a Libertarian winning the
>>>>>>>> Third District in Utah are not impossible; I’m swinging; I’m going to go
>>>>>>>> for it; I’m giving it everything I have . . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WRIGHT: right . . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BUCHMAN: . . . if I can get Rosie O’ Donnell to retweet something,
>>>>>>>> who knows . . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WRIGHT: It worked for Dr. Allen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BUCHMAN: . . . or Drew Carey, or Penn & Teller or some other
>>>>>>>> Libertarians who we are reaching out to, who knows? Anything is possible;
>>>>>>>> but primarily I am running, first of all, to get into the debates. We need
>>>>>>>> a Libertarian voice in the debates.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My email to Americans for Prosperity:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Joseph Buchman <drbuchman at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Third District Candidate debate
>>>>>>>> To: infout at afphq.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am writing as the Libertarian Party of Utah's candidate for the
>>>>>>>> Third District to request inclusion in the debates sponsored by Americans
>>>>>>>> For Prosperity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See, for example,
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154532862572120&set=gm.1744266952269118&type=3&theater
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am on the ballot as a General Election candidate for this office,
>>>>>>>> see:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-candidate-filings
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the absence of an invitation to participate in your debates, may
>>>>>>>> I inquire of the standards/process for your selection of candidates?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your attention to this request,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These debates were announced on Friday; the first debate is to be
>>>>>>>> held tomorrow (Tuesday evening). I'll be there either in the
>>>>>>>> audience or on the stage. See:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.sltrib.com/news/5485360-155/two-debates-set-for-three-republican
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And while they are now being repurposed as for the "Republican
>>>>>>>> primary candidates only" please note the portion of the article which
>>>>>>>> indicates the Democrat was invited.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Democrat Kathie Allen — who's raised nearly $700,000 in donations
>>>>>>>> — did not respond to an invitation to join the event, Everton said."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evelyn Everton is the Utah State Director for Americans for
>>>>>>>> Prosperity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope you'll listen to the entire KSL interview and form your own
>>>>>>>> opinion of it. I'm sure I could have done better and continue to seek your
>>>>>>>> constructive feedback as well as help in having Americans for Prosperity
>>>>>>>> include the Libertarian in their debates.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks again for your consideration,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________
>>>>>>>> Joseph G. Buchman, PhD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 584 Hillside Circle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alpine UT 84004
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +++++++++++
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very good points Starchild and both views are represented in our
>>>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I certainly hope we don't divisively "take sides" on that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're certainly not the first Libertarian to express a
>>>>>>>> disappointed emotional reaction to a candidate's realistic appraisal of his
>>>>>>>> or her chances, but to you and any other Libertarian who has felt this way,
>>>>>>>> I say take heart! One can lose in conventional terms and still win in
>>>>>>>> libertarian terms. A *conventional* win means the warm body you
>>>>>>>> support occupying the sought-after office. A *libertarian* win,
>>>>>>>> however, means advancing the cause of freedom! Such wins can happen in any
>>>>>>>> number of ways – building momentum for a future run, exposing more people
>>>>>>>> to libertarian ideas, building the party, etc. Of course the cause of
>>>>>>>> freedom is *usually* more likely to be advanced by a Libertarian
>>>>>>>> occupying the sought-after office than by not occupying it – but it isn't
>>>>>>>> the be-all, end-all it's too often made out to be. In some ways, the real
>>>>>>>> fight begins *after* an election is won. If an elected Libertarian
>>>>>>>> isn't mentally prepared to stick to his or her libertarian principles and
>>>>>>>> positions, or doesn't have solidly libertarian principles or positions to
>>>>>>>> begin with, the real, post-election fight for what s/he will do in office
>>>>>>>> is as good as lost. Amid the statist culture and pressures in which s/he
>>>>>>>> will be immersed, such an elected Libertarian will have little chance of
>>>>>>>> surviving with an agenda to advance the cause of freedom intact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Predicting* an election loss also isn't the same thing as
>>>>>>>> *conceding*. When a candidate *concedes* a race, s/he is saying
>>>>>>>> "the campaign is over, my opponent won". Clearly Joe Buchman is saying no
>>>>>>>> such thing! From appearances, he is running and will continue to run a
>>>>>>>> vigorous campaign and seek as much exposure for our ideas and as many votes
>>>>>>>> as possible. He is running to win in libertarian terms. But is it wise to
>>>>>>>> predict a loss at the ballot box? While miracles occasionally do happen
>>>>>>>> and I've suggested candidates leave the perceptions door open by not
>>>>>>>> entirely ruling out the possibility of getting elected, I would much rather
>>>>>>>> see a Libertarian fighting a long-shot campaign – and this is obviously a
>>>>>>>> long-shot campaign; no Libertarian has come close to being elected to
>>>>>>>> Congress – say flat-out that s/he won't win, than to flat-out say that s/he
>>>>>>>> will. Any candidate facing those kind of odds who predicts electoral
>>>>>>>> victory is either deceiving him/herself, or attempting to deceive others.
>>>>>>>> The former shows a poor grasp of reality, while the latter shows a lack of
>>>>>>>> integrity. Neither reflects well on the candidate! Joe, by contrast, showed
>>>>>>>> his good character by giving an honest and realistic assessment of his
>>>>>>>> chances. For every person out there who thinks, 'I want to vote for someone
>>>>>>>> who tells me s/he's going to win', I believe there's another person out
>>>>>>>> there thinking, 'I want to vote for someone who has integrity and tells the
>>>>>>>> truth'. To which type of voter mentality should we, as the Party of
>>>>>>>> Principle, be trying to appeal?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:00 AM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I found out about this campaign yesterday (now, 2 days ago) and the
>>>>>>>> referenced KSL interview almost immediately starts with the candidate
>>>>>>>> saying "I'm not going to win." It made me sad. More importantly, I can't
>>>>>>>> agree to give money to someone who has already conceded the race. I mean,
>>>>>>>> what is the money going to be used for? Losing better?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By contrast, from what I can see, candidates like Laura Ebke and at
>>>>>>>> least one of the recent converts in NH are gearing up re-election campaigns
>>>>>>>> with the intent to win. They certainly haven't publicly conceded, anyway.
>>>>>>>> There are lots of candidates throughout the country gearing up for 2018
>>>>>>>> races. 4 L converts and many other candidates looking to run winnable
>>>>>>>> races.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If this body decides to support candidates, I'd really rather see
>>>>>>>> this body support candidates that are running to win.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, I received the below request from Dr. Joe Buchman
>>>>>>>> (Utah) and have been speaking with him about this for the past few weeks.
>>>>>>>> I would like us to consider assisting him to our maximum allowed of 5K.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ========
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To the members of the LNC:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz nine days ago from the
>>>>>>>> Third District of Utah has created a Special Election to be held 7
>>>>>>>> November 2017.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe Buchman is the Libertarian Candidate for that seat and
>>>>>>>> following a special election convention by the Libertarian Party of Utah is
>>>>>>>> on the ballot for November 7th. There is a Democratic opponent.
>>>>>>>> Three Republicans will face each other in a primary next month.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See:
>>>>>>>> https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-candidate-filings
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is, we believe, the only remaining contest for federal office
>>>>>>>> in 2017 with a Libertarian candidate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To date Dr. Buchman has invested $1,000.00 of his personal funds in
>>>>>>>> the campaign and has raised approximately $250.00 from other donors, with
>>>>>>>> promises for about $500 in process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe has just been scheduled as the sole guest for the first hour of
>>>>>>>> Coast to Coast AM, a national networked late-night radio talk show with an
>>>>>>>> estimated *2.5 million listeners*, for *Saturday** evening, July
>>>>>>>> 29th, 10:05PM to 11:00PM Pacific time*. Past show hosts Art Bell
>>>>>>>> and Rollye James were self-identified Libertarians, and past guests have
>>>>>>>> included Judge Jim Gray, Michael Badnarik, Aaron Russo, Harry Browne, Andre
>>>>>>>> Marrou and Dr. Buchman himself (in 2008, when he last ran for the US
>>>>>>>> Congress).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/search/?query=libertarian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe will be discussing his campaign for the US Congress, his
>>>>>>>> platform as an expression of the NAP and Self-Ownership paradigms, will be
>>>>>>>> directing listeners to his website and will be requesting donations. The
>>>>>>>> Coast to Coast website will also provide a link to his campaign site -
>>>>>>>> www.GotoL.vote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a request for national party funding for this singularly
>>>>>>>> important Special Election campaign.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz has already generated
>>>>>>>> significant national media attention, and this race is likely to continue
>>>>>>>> to generate national media coverage as the replacement of Congressman
>>>>>>>> Chaffetz will reflect, to some degree, a measure of voter confidence in the
>>>>>>>> Trump administration.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Libertarian Party nationally will benefit from this election,
>>>>>>>> the last of 2017 to include a Libertarian candidate for federal office.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If a funding agreement can be reached prior to the show, Dr.
>>>>>>>> Buchman would then appeal to Coast to Coast listeners with a promise that
>>>>>>>> any donations received during the show will be matched dollar-for-dollar.
>>>>>>>> The show will be replayed and will also be available as a download from the
>>>>>>>> network website.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe has been interviewed by three local papers (the Salt Lake
>>>>>>>> Tribune, Deseret News and City Weekly) and by KSL Radio's Doug Wright.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That 9 minute radio interview can be found at:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.ksl.com/?nid=1388&a=11898
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bottom line: Joe is experienced with media interviews, had a prior
>>>>>>>> career in radio (including working with Bill Redpath at WTTS radio in the
>>>>>>>> 1970s), is passionate about both Libertarian political pragmatism and
>>>>>>>> philosophy, *and is currently scheduled for one of the most
>>>>>>>> visible media appearances by any Libertarian Candidate this month* (and
>>>>>>>> perhaps for the remainder of this year).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This special election creates something of a special case for
>>>>>>>> funding; an amount equivalent to that provided to the recent candidate in
>>>>>>>> Montana would seem equitable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With gratitude for your consideration of this request,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS If you do choose to listen to the KSL interview and/or to review
>>>>>>>> the website and links to the print interviews there; ALL feedback,
>>>>>>>> suggestions for improvement are also welcomed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Lnc-business mailing list
> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Lnc-business mailing list
> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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