[Lnc-business] Candidate/Campaign Funding
Sam Goldstein
goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
Wed Jul 19 07:47:33 EDT 2017
Starchild,
If you could condense your proposal to 2-3 short paragraphs I would be more
likely to
read it.
Sam
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
Member at Large
8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
Indianapolis IN 46260
317-850-0726 Phone
317-582-1773 Fax
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
> It's a comprehensive plan. However, the enormity of it is exactly why I
> think we should focus on developing and enabling state parties and let them
> build up to the point of being able to properly support the candidates in
> their state. I'd rather see 50 states doing this task in parallel, where
> they're actually able to meet the candidate and likely do a better job of
> assessing the candidate.
>
> I've run several campaigns and I was a statewide candidate myself (first
> executive branch candidate for LPKY, ever). I have asked for help in those
> various campaigns, but not received it. In hind sight, I realize that it
> was probably wise. Though my own statewide campaign was largely about
> spreading the party out statewide, it was not framed that way and therefore
> the "now" version of me would have voted against the request made by the
> "then" version of me.
>
> If we're building state parties, I'm for it. If we're running temporary
> campaigns, I'm generally going to be against it. I see the LP as the "long
> game" and therefore I believe in funding infrastructure and foundational
> items over temporary campaigns. Exceptions do exist.
>
> We can't run the party from this body. What we can do is help the party
> grow, so that a more local party can run a real political ground game and
> get some people into elected office.
>
> ken
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> If all committee members would be LNC members or alternates, what would
>> be the advantage over simply having the LNC as a whole vote on these
>> requests?
>>
>> Delegating this matter to committees populated (at least partly) by
>> non-LNC members would help bring a wider crossection of LP members into the
>> leadership, but a new committee composed only of a subset of the LNC would
>> mean once again putting a handful of insiders in charge, while excluding
>> those LNC members not on the new committee from the decision-making
>> process. From the perspective of having committees reflect the makeup of
>> the LNC as selected by the delegates and the regions, such an approach is
>> arguably worse than having a committee composed solely of non-LNC members
>> (in which case all LNC members would be on the same footing).
>>
>> On a separate but related note, I think we should limit the number of
>> committees on which individual LNC members can simultaneously serve. Is it
>> honoring the will of the delegates and regions to emulate the U.S. Congress
>> by allowing the LNC to delegate various powers to subsets of the LNC so
>> that some LNC members serve on many powerful committees while others serve
>> on few or no committees?
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:26 PM, Daniel Hayes wrote:
>>
>> I second that strongly.
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:37 PM, goldsteinatlarge <
>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This committee will be LNC or Alternates in my proposal. We are selected
>> by the delegates or regions to make this type decision, not volunteers who
>> answer to no one.
>>
>> sam
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
>> Date: 7/18/17 11:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-16: Joe Buchman Donation
>>
>> Sam,
>>
>>
>>
>> I suggest that the motion include a committee selection method (appointed
>> and/or volunteer). Since this will obviously be an important committee of
>> interest to us all, I suggest that the motion specify a minimum of three
>> LNC members and two non-LNC members [substitute your own numbers].
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>
>>
>> *2018 Omaha Roads to Liberty Un-Convention*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Freedom, Nothing More, Nothing Less*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>
>> LSLA Vice-Chair
>>
>> LPNE State Central Committee, Secretary
>>
>> Cell: 402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>
>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Sam Goldstein
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:28 PM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-16: Joe Buchman Donation
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I'm working on a motion to create a Candidate Support Committee to
>> be tasked with first
>>
>> developing a set of guidelines (subject to LNC approval) for LNC
>> contributions to individual
>>
>> candidates other than POTUS. Once the guidelines are approved the
>> committee will submit
>>
>> a proposed budget as a new line item for the 2018 LNC Budget then will
>> administer the distribution
>>
>> of funds. The Committee might also be tasked with supporting the new
>> Candidate Support Specialist
>>
>> position, if we so choose.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any ideas about motion formulation will be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Live Free,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>>
>> Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> Member at Large
>>
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>
>> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone
>>
>> 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Our colleague from Indiana has told us he plans to introduce a motion in
>> August.
>>
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>
>> What committee would be charged with coming up with these guidelines?
>> Another committee? I'm pretty busy so I don't think I want to commit to
>> direct action on another committee. But as a former campaign manager, and
>> former candidate, I would like to give some suggested guidelines or
>> watermarks.
>>
>>
>>
>> ken
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:42 PM, David Demarest <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>> I hope I am proved wrong but it looks like we have a vicious circle –
>> Continuing ‘No’ votes on candidate support motions until we develop
>> guidelines and no appointees or volunteers so far to develop guidelines.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I missing something here?
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sure there are more qualified LNC and LP members but I will
>> volunteer to be part of an effort to develop candidate support guidelines.
>> We will need a strong leader to meet this challenge. Is this a matter of
>> Nick either appointing a committee leader and supporting committee members
>> or soliciting volunteers? I suggest that both LNC and non-LNC members be
>> part of this initiative. Any other volunteers? Might be a good opportunity
>> for new or aspiring LNC members.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>
>>
>> *2018 Omaha Roads to Liberty Un-Convention*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>
>> LSLA Vice-Chair
>>
>> LPNE State Central Committee, Secretary
>>
>> Cell: 402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>
>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Brett Bittner
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 6:47 PM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-16: Joe Buchman Donation
>>
>>
>>
>> TL; DR - I vote nay on email ballot 2017-16.
>>
>>
>>
>> My thoughts: I find myself in the same situation as I did when the Wicks
>> motion was presented. At that time, promises to come up with a procedure we
>> made (and we even delayed considering a request from Senator Ebke for that
>> procedure to be in place), yet action has yet to materialize. I believe
>> that our first duty is to win elections, and without a process to vet
>> funding requests, we are ill-equipped to determine which campaigns should
>> receive our limited funds.
>>
>>
>>
>> As both Arvin and Sam have outlined my concerns, I don't feel the need to
>> reiterate them.
>>
>>
>>
>> I appreciate Dr. Buchman's many years of service to the Party and as an
>> activist, and I think very highly of him. I also enjoyed seeing his debate
>> performance online, and I think he did a tremendous job of offering a
>> different perspective in that debate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I believe that we will never create a process for these
>> type of requests if we continue to fulfill them in the ad hoc manner from
>> our limited funds. As such, I must cast a nay vote. I will continue to do
>> so for all candidate funding requests until we've established a process to
>> vet such requests.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brett C. Bittner
>>
>>
>>
>> Region 3 Representative
>>
>> Libertarian National Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> brett.bittner at lp.org
>>
>> 317.537.8344 <(317)%20537-8344>
>>
>> **This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2017 07:17, "Patrick McKnight" <patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail
>> .com> wrote:
>>
>> I vote no.
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick McKnight
>>
>> Region 8 Rep
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2017 12:07 AM, "James Lark" <jwl3s at eservices.virginia.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear colleagues:
>>
>> I hope all is well with you. I am writing in my capacity as Region 5
>> representative to vote "nay" on the motion.
>>
>> As always, thanks for your work for liberty.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Jim
>>
>> James W. Lark, III
>> Dept. of Systems and Information Engineering
>> Applied Mathematics Program, Dept. of Engineering and Society
>> Affiliated Faculty, Dept. of Statistics
>> University of Virginia
>>
>> Advisor, The Liberty Coalition
>> University of Virginia
>>
>> Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> -----
>>
>> On 7/15/2017 4:15 AM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>>
>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 25, 2017 at 11:59:59pm
>> Pacific time.*
>> *Co-Sponsors:* Harlos, Bilyeu, Demarest, Starchild
>>
>> *Motion:* for the LNC to contribute $5,000 to support the Congressional
>> campaign of Joe Buchman (Utah)
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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