[Lnc-business] MOTION: Re: adding emails and phones to LNC committee page
Daniel Hayes
danielehayes at icloud.com
Mon Aug 28 20:12:29 EDT 2017
Starchild,
Was this requirement listed in the bylaws under the duties of the LNC members?
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 28, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Sam,
>
> Where do you see me calling for the use of "force and coercion"? Serving in the party's leadership is voluntary! There's nothing that says such service can't come with any requirements related to upholding the values of our organization. Transparency is not a "fetish", it is a basic principle of good governance!
>
> However my motion does not even require transparency as far as providing an email address and phone number, it would simply make clear who is responsible when transparency of providing that contact info is not practiced by committee members (i.e. the individual member, not the Libertarian Party).
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>
>> Starchild,
>>
>> So now you are advocated the use of force and coercion to get LNC members to
>> list their private information? Have you ever read the Statement of Principles? Do
>> you subscribe to the NAP?
>>
>> Transparency is your fetish, not mine. My email address is on the LNC web site so
>> members can contact me. You will not force me to list any other contact information.
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Member at Large
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I disagree that people will necessarily draw the correct conclusions from contact information simply being absent, and may well instead blame the Libertarian Party as an organization for its lack of transparency and accountability.
>>>
>>> Indeed under past practice, they would in my opinion have been right to do so – contact information has been mostly missing from that page for some time now, but I don't believe that was mainly the fault of committee members. We as an organization failed to solicit and post the information from them or give them a means to add it.
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>> ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>> @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think it is somewhat apparent that whoever provided information has it listed, ergo, if its not there, it wasn't provided.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> Or we could be less authoritarian and trust that our members can figure things out for themselves and not write anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Starchild, I support transparency but something with that wording just doesn't sit right with me. It seems to be a bit shaming of some committee members who don't give it. Some of our volunteers may have specific situations (perhaps they have a stalker ?) that may have another reason to not have it listed. Or some female volunteers just don't want their phone number listed...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is apparent that it is voluntary or that we could find another way to word this that doesn't seem to be so "calling out" people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Wes, glad to see this info being added!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To make clear why some committee members have or will have their information listed while others may not, I'll make the following motion to take effect after folks have had another month during which to get their information added:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MOTION:
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> I move that staff be directed to, during the week of October 1, add the following text at the top of the LP Committees page (currently https://www.lp.org/lp-committees/) under the words "Bold text indicates the chair":
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Committee members have been notified of how to have their email addresses and phone numbers added to their committee listings on this page. If a member does not have a phone number or email address listed at which he or she can be contacted by party members, it is because the individual chose not to provide that information.
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you support transparency, please co-sponsor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. – The LNC has now appointed members of the Credentials Committee as well as a new Candidate and Campaign Support Committee, but their names do not appear on the LP Committees page, so those names should be added.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>> We have a page on LP.org that lists all the committees and their members, such as By-Laws, Platform, Affiliate Support, etc.
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/lp-committees/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The page currently has the committee members' names, but no contact information (with exception of a few cases).
>>>>>>>> We're now in the process of adding the email and phone for any committee members who wish to have the emails and phones displayed. It's entirely optional, and you are welcome to list one (such as the email), and not the other (such as the phone).
>>>>>>>> To have you email and/or phone added to the page, please send a note with the relevant information to Bob Johnston <bob.johnston at lp.org>.
>>>>>>>> Committee Name:
>>>>>>>> You name:
>>>>>>>> Email:
>>>>>>>> Phone:
>>>>>>>> (Bob, please do not add any new names--just add phones and emails where appropriate).
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>>>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
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>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
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>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
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