[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-19 : Yemen Resolution

Sun Oct 22 10:40:17 EDT 2017

On the whole, I think it's a net good. Therefore, I vote Aye.

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:08 AM, David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I vote Yes on the Yemen motion.
>
> I agree with wise use of the bully pulpit. Accordingly, I am voting in
> favor of the Yemen resolution just as I would vote Yes on a medicinal
> marijuana motion even though it did not go for the whole drug war repeal
> enchilada. Why throw out the baby with the bath water?
>
> If the LNC seriously intends to help make the Libertarian movement a
> success, we need to put more emphasis on deciding  what we are going to
> accomplish rather than finding reasons for voting No.
>
> A No vote on this motion is preaching to the choir. A Yes vote is a clear
> stand in favor of reducing our military presence in Yemen and reducing
> useless American soldier causalities as we get a start on bringing them
> home. A No vote on this motion is NOT going to reduce the deaths of
> American soldiers.
>
> Thought?
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> On Oct 22, 2017 8:01 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I vote no partially for the same reasons as Sam.
>>
>> And add, that with rare exception, I oppose us putting out resolutions
>> that do not reference clear libertarian ideological justifications in order
>> to further education on our views.
>>
>> I think a statement or press release from the chair could address this in
>> an libertarian-focused manner.
>>
>> We need to use our bully pulpit wisely.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:10 AM Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>>
>>> I also strongly encourage other LNC members to vote no.  The resolution
>>> clearly allow the
>>> Federal government to use military force in another country in violation
>>> of both our party Platform
>>> and the NAP.
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Member at Large
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone
>>> 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Patrick McKnight <
>>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I vote yes.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>> Region 8 Rep
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 22, 2017 2:42 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2017 at
>>>>> 11:59:59pm Pacific time.  Trick or Treat!!*
>>>>> *Co-Sponsor:*  Sarwark
>>>>>
>>>>> *Motion:*  That the LNC adopt the following resolution:
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------Resolution Text--------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> A Call to End the U.S. War in Yemen and Support House Concurrent
>>>>> Resolution 81
>>>>>
>>>>> Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers
>>>>> Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from unauthorized
>>>>> hostilities in the Republic of Yemen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Resolved by the Libertarian National Committee (LNC)
>>>>>
>>>>> SECTION 1. REMOVAL OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM HOSTILITIES IN
>>>>> THE REPUBLIC OF YEMEN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS.
>>>>>
>>>>> (a) Findings ––The Libertarian National Committee agrees with Congress
>>>>> and finds the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Whereas, Congress has the sole power to declare war under article
>>>>> I, section 8, of the Constitution.
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) Whereas, a state of war has not been declared to exist with
>>>>> respect to the conflict between forces led by Saudi Arabia and the United
>>>>> Arab Emirates against the Houthi-Saleh alliance in the Republic of Yemen.
>>>>>
>>>>> (3) Whereas, United States Armed Forces have been involved in
>>>>> hostilities between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance,
>>>>> including through assisting Saudi and United Arab Emirates warplanes
>>>>> conducting aerial bombings in Yemen with selecting targets and by providing
>>>>> midair refueling services to such warplanes, amounting to millions of
>>>>> pounds of jet fuel delivered during thousands of Saudi and United Arab
>>>>> Emirates airstrikes.
>>>>>
>>>>> (4) Whereas, according to the Department of State’s Country Reports on
>>>>> Terrorism 2016, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh
>>>>> alliance is counterproductive to ongoing efforts by the United States to
>>>>> pursue Al Qaeda and its associated forces under the Authorization for the
>>>>> Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note).
>>>>>
>>>>> (5) Whereas, no authorization for the use of United States Armed
>>>>> Forces with respect to the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the
>>>>> Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen has been enacted, and no provision of law
>>>>> authorizes the provision of midair refueling services to warplanes of Saudi
>>>>> Arabia or the United Arab Emirates that are engaged in such conflict.
>>>>>
>>>>> (6) Whereas, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the
>>>>> Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen constitutes, within the meaning of section
>>>>> 4(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1543(a)(1)), either
>>>>> hostilities or a situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is
>>>>> clearly indicated by the circumstances into which United States Armed
>>>>> Forces have been introduced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, be it resolved, the LNC supports H.Con.Res. 81 in
>>>>> accordance with section 3.3 of the Libertarian Party Platform, but advises
>>>>> complete removal of U.S. Armed Forces from the Republic of Yemen:
>>>>>
>>>>> (b) Removal Of Armed Forces.—Pursuant to section 5(c) of the War
>>>>> Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)), Congress hereby directs the
>>>>> President to remove United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the
>>>>> Republic of Yemen, except United States Armed Forces engaged in operations
>>>>> directed at Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or associated forces, by not
>>>>> later than the date that is 30 days after the date of the adoption of this
>>>>> concurrent resolution (unless the President requests and the Congress
>>>>> authorizes a later date), and unless and until a declaration of war or
>>>>> specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces has been
>>>>> enacted.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------------End of Resolution Text-----------------
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
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