[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-19 : Yemen Resolution

Erin Adams erinadams at thefeldmanfoundation.org
Mon Oct 23 10:26:08 EDT 2017 

I like Whitney's suggestion.

In Liberty,
Erin Adams
Director of Fundraising and Events
The Feldman Foundation
(405) 780-2791

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Why couldn't we use this as the 'resolved' portion, and be done with it?
>
> "Therefore, be it resolved, the LNC supports measures above and beyond
> H.Con.Res. 81, in accordance with section 3.3 of the Libertarian Party
> Platform, and calls for complete removal of U.S. Armed Forces from the
> Republic of Yemen."
>
> Whitney Bilyeu
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Agree with Erin, David, and Caryn Ann. Let's vote this version down and
>> amend it to get the messaging right. *I vote no.*
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>>                                     ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                          RealReform at earthlink.net
>>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>>                                    @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> I would be amenable to an amendment that addresses my concerns.  As you
>> all know, I love resolutions, and I think it costs us nothing to take
>> stands and that we SHOULD be doing that.  And my very informal poll of
>> members indicated a 90% support for the LNC to do these.  But on this I
>> can't get past those concerns.
>>
>> As usual, I will be running this by my state chairs who I always give the
>> opportunity to over-rule me, but they generally defer to my judgment.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:33 AM, David Demarest <
>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with with Caryn Ann's call for LNC educational clarity on our
>>> motion. To Erin's point, I suggest we amend the motion to spell out where
>>> we agree and disagree with the Yemen troop withdrawal resolution.
>>>
>>> This is an excellent educational opportunity that will allow the LNC to
>>> shine.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2017 11:20 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A yes vote will not.  We don't have the influence.  And giving tacit
>>>> support to the abominable policy that put us there to begin with is a net
>>>> educational loss.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:16 AM David Demarest <
>>>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Joshua is correct. A Yes vote MAY not decrease the American
>>>>> causalities in Yemen. A well-intended No vote, however, DEFINITELY will not
>>>>> reduce American deaths.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Yes vote will demonstrate to the broader audience that the LNC has
>>>>> it's priorities straight on reducing useless American deaths and make our
>>>>> inspirational deliberations more relevant to American voters and speed up
>>>>> the process
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 22, 2017 9:41 AM, "Ken Moellman" <ken at moellman.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On the whole, I think it's a net good. Therefore, I vote Aye.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:08 AM, David Demarest <
>>>>>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I vote Yes on the Yemen motion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with wise use of the bully pulpit. Accordingly, I am voting
>>>>>>> in favor of the Yemen resolution just as I would vote Yes on a medicinal
>>>>>>> marijuana motion even though it did not go for the whole drug war repeal
>>>>>>> enchilada. Why throw out the baby with the bath water?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the LNC seriously intends to help make the Libertarian movement a
>>>>>>> success, we need to put more emphasis on deciding  what we are going to
>>>>>>> accomplish rather than finding reasons for voting No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A No vote on this motion is preaching to the choir. A Yes vote is a
>>>>>>> clear stand in favor of reducing our military presence in Yemen and
>>>>>>> reducing useless American soldier causalities as we get a start on bringing
>>>>>>> them home. A No vote on this motion is NOT going to reduce the deaths of
>>>>>>> American soldiers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thought?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2017 8:01 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I vote no partially for the same reasons as Sam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And add, that with rare exception, I oppose us putting out
>>>>>>>> resolutions that do not reference clear libertarian ideological
>>>>>>>> justifications in order to further education on our views.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think a statement or press release from the chair could address
>>>>>>>> this in an libertarian-focused manner.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to use our bully pulpit wisely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:10 AM Sam Goldstein <
>>>>>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also strongly encourage other LNC members to vote no.  The
>>>>>>>>> resolution clearly allow the
>>>>>>>>> Federal government to use military force in another country in
>>>>>>>>> violation of both our party Platform
>>>>>>>>> and the NAP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone
>>>>>>>>> 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Patrick McKnight <
>>>>>>>>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I vote yes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>>>>>>>> Region 8 Rep
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2017 2:42 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2017 at
>>>>>>>>>>> 11:59:59pm Pacific time.  Trick or Treat!!*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Co-Sponsor:*  Sarwark
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Motion:*  That the LNC adopt the following resolution:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------Resolution Text--------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A Call to End the U.S. War in Yemen and Support House Concurrent
>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution 81
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War
>>>>>>>>>>> Powers Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from unauthorized
>>>>>>>>>>> hostilities in the Republic of Yemen.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Resolved by the Libertarian National Committee (LNC)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SECTION 1. REMOVAL OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM
>>>>>>>>>>> HOSTILITIES IN THE REPUBLIC OF YEMEN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED BY
>>>>>>>>>>> CONGRESS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (a) Findings ––The Libertarian National Committee agrees with
>>>>>>>>>>> Congress and finds the following:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (1) Whereas, Congress has the sole power to declare war under
>>>>>>>>>>> article I, section 8, of the Constitution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (2) Whereas, a state of war has not been declared to exist with
>>>>>>>>>>> respect to the conflict between forces led by Saudi Arabia and the United
>>>>>>>>>>> Arab Emirates against the Houthi-Saleh alliance in the Republic of Yemen.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (3) Whereas, United States Armed Forces have been involved in
>>>>>>>>>>> hostilities between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance,
>>>>>>>>>>> including through assisting Saudi and United Arab Emirates warplanes
>>>>>>>>>>> conducting aerial bombings in Yemen with selecting targets and by providing
>>>>>>>>>>> midair refueling services to such warplanes, amounting to millions of
>>>>>>>>>>> pounds of jet fuel delivered during thousands of Saudi and United Arab
>>>>>>>>>>> Emirates airstrikes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (4) Whereas, according to the Department of State’s Country
>>>>>>>>>>> Reports on Terrorism 2016, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the
>>>>>>>>>>> Houthi-Saleh alliance is counterproductive to ongoing efforts by the United
>>>>>>>>>>> States to pursue Al Qaeda and its associated forces under the Authorization
>>>>>>>>>>> for the Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (5) Whereas, no authorization for the use of United States Armed
>>>>>>>>>>> Forces with respect to the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the
>>>>>>>>>>> Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen has been enacted, and no provision of law
>>>>>>>>>>> authorizes the provision of midair refueling services to warplanes of Saudi
>>>>>>>>>>> Arabia or the United Arab Emirates that are engaged in such conflict.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (6) Whereas, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the
>>>>>>>>>>> Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen constitutes, within the meaning of section
>>>>>>>>>>> 4(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1543(a)(1)), either
>>>>>>>>>>> hostilities or a situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is
>>>>>>>>>>> clearly indicated by the circumstances into which United States Armed
>>>>>>>>>>> Forces have been introduced.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, be it resolved, the LNC supports H.Con.Res. 81 in
>>>>>>>>>>> accordance with section 3.3 of the Libertarian Party Platform, but advises
>>>>>>>>>>> complete removal of U.S. Armed Forces from the Republic of Yemen:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (b) Removal Of Armed Forces.—Pursuant to section 5(c) of the War
>>>>>>>>>>> Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)), Congress hereby directs the
>>>>>>>>>>> President to remove United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the
>>>>>>>>>>> Republic of Yemen, except United States Armed Forces engaged in operations
>>>>>>>>>>> directed at Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or associated forces, by not
>>>>>>>>>>> later than the date that is 30 days after the date of the adoption of this
>>>>>>>>>>> concurrent resolution (unless the President requests and the Congress
>>>>>>>>>>> authorizes a later date), and unless and until a declaration of war or
>>>>>>>>>>> specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces has been
>>>>>>>>>>> enacted.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------End of Resolution Text-----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
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>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
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