[Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF

Mon Oct 23 22:07:55 EDT 2017

Our only recourse is disaffiliation.

And obviously I think such claims if true to be a gross violation of the
SoP.

I also think promoting any continuation of state force is and we can find
examples of that if we wish to being promoted within state parties.

I'm not eager to go down that road.

Which is the same answer I gave people who wanted us to "do something"
about our last ticket.

I find white nationalism to be completely unacceptable and cheered at Wes'
invitation for them to leave.  Note it did not contain any threat to throw
them out or discipline them because *that is not our role*

Every action above the bounds starts with good intentions.  Good intentions
gave us the welfare state.  I do not want nor are we entitled to be,
consolidating power in the LNC no matter what "good" thing might come of
one action.

The national party consistently putting out consistent principles
foundational libertarianism and eschewing both a drift to the right and to
the left is what we can and should do.

The white nationalists hate me for a reason - I think ethnomasochist is
their preferred term for me- but that does not justify us patenting an
affiliate.

-Caryn Ann

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 7:59 PM Erin Adams <
erinadams at thefeldmanfoundation.org> wrote:

> IF there is "merit" to these claims, would not article 5 section 4 of the
> bylaws come into question? Are we REALLY saying that if this is true,
> promoting an agenda of hate or allowing the promotion of such is in line
> with the Statement of Principles or the Bylaws? I just dont see it that way
>
> In Liberty,
> Erin Adams
> Director of Fundraising and Events
> The Feldman Foundation
> (405) 780-2791
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh yes because the LNC interfering in the autonomy of an affiliate worked
>> out SO WELL in the past.
>>
>> I'm not eager to repeat Oregon.
>>
>> And Florida has a representative.  He was elected to deal with the
>> concerns of that region and responded.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:45 PM Erin Adams <
>> erinadams at thefeldmanfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I tend to agree with Mr. Katz on this.
>>>
>>> On Oct 23, 2017 7:40 PM, "Joshua Katz" <joshua.katz at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The original email in this thread was from Mr. Stanton (whom I've never
>>>> met).  He accused a member of the LPF leadership, who is also a Libertarian
>>>> candidate (and whom I have also never met) of being a white supremacist
>>>> leader, and of making threats towards himself and others.  I have no way of
>>>> knowing if these accusations are true, but they most certainly are
>>>> disturbing if true - and the sorts of things I would expect the affiliate
>>>> to react to.  If they are true and the affiliate does not react, I would
>>>> expect this board to take action.
>>>>
>>>> Instead, the responses I've seen seem to combine shrugs with
>>>> exhortations that Mr. Stanton should deal with it himself, and some
>>>> variation on "hey, we're all on the same team, work together."  Again, I do
>>>> not know if the accusations are true, but if they are, then we are not, in
>>>> fact, all on the same team.  I am not on the same team as any white
>>>> supremacist, or anyone who thinks the use of threats and intimidation,
>>>> together with violent white supremacist and anti-semitic rhetoric, are
>>>> acceptable ways of conducting business.
>>>>
>>>> Such a pre-modern retreat to tribalism, to prejudice, to
>>>> anti-individualism, is the single largest threat to human freedom.  It is
>>>> the condition in which humans lived for quite some time, before
>>>> civilization made real freedom possible.  No party that stands for freedom
>>>> against all threats can tolerate those in its midst who would hold those
>>>> positions, let alone allowing those who advocate such positions to hold
>>>> leadership positions.  This cannot be a party that tolerates such things.
>>>> At the moment, I have no actual facts.  Furthermore, there is little we can
>>>> do - but little is not the same as nothing.  Let's get the facts.  The
>>>> response to such a statement cannot be "well, you figure it out."  That is
>>>> not leadership.  Nor should the response be immediate panic, or a rush to
>>>> judgment.  I would think the accusations are of such a nature, though, that
>>>> we'd want to know what is going on.
>>>>
>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>
>>>> At-Large Representative,
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Paul Stanton <region7 at lpf.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Marcos,
>>>>>
>>>>> Due to the LPF Executive Committee's recent refusal to respond to
>>>>> threats targeting myself and others from Ryan Ramsey, a white
>>>>> supremacist leader, LPF county chair, LPF EC member, and candidate for
>>>>> Florida House, I hereby resign from all positions and membership within the
>>>>> Libertarian Party of Florida, as I can no longer in good faith
>>>>> continue to ask other Libertarians to support a party which allows its
>>>>> leaders to threaten and intimidate members while repeating violent white
>>>>> supremacist and anti-semitic rhetoric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Libertarians deserve better than the Libertarian Party of Florida.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please remove me from any mailing or membership lists and add me
>>>>> to the LPF's do not call list. I will not be responding to any email sent
>>>>> to this address.
>>>>>
>>>>> In liberty,
>>>>> Paul Stanton
>>>>>
>>>>> Follow me on Facebook: fb.com/Stanton4Liberty
>>>>>
>>>>
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>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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