[Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I just read a "response" by Ryan Ramsey and it has all the marks of an
aggressive gas lighting campaign.  After I read that letter, my "knower"
knew that there are too many testimonies that ring true.  There is a very
manipulative game going on.

There is definitely something very toxic going on in Florida.  I am going
to be speaking to my Region 1 Chairs about this as I make my quarterly
conferences with them.

-Caryn Ann




On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:52 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> If there is clear evidence of (1) a current Florida LP state-level
> official making clearly racist statements, or clear and credible threats of
> violence, and (2) the Florida LP leadership being aware of this and taking
> no action whatsoever to condemn it or distance the Florida LP from it, I
> think perhaps a letter of concern from the LNC would be in order. If the
> Florida LP leadership offered no reasonable response to such a letter and
> continued to not take any remedial action, especially if it became clear
> that this was part of a pattern of ignoring racism or serious
> Non-Aggression Principle violations from state leaders, then I would be
> ready to entertain a motion to disaffiliate.
>
> But – and I confess I have not read all the links and background on this –
> I'm not sure even the first condition stated above has been met. My
> personal belief is that Ryan Ramsey likely does hold bigoted white
> supremacist type views, but while the the evidence for this may be
> cumulatively compelling (walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.), it
> also seems to be largely circumstantial. I looked at the American Guard
> website for instance, and didn't find a "smoking gun" of explicitly racist
> material. Now I do think Ramsey's comments about LP chair Nick Sarwark are
> reprehensible and without merit. A sample (more at
> http://archive.is/EMZPY#selection-233.0-233.110):
>
> *"*Nick Sarwark, National Chairman of the Libertarian Party, is the
> poster boy for the Cultural Marxist idiocy that keeps us relegated to
> single digit election returns... *Any question as to whether Mr. Sarwark
> was a lover of liberty, or a Cultural Marxist attempting to hold back the
> advance of the  Libertarian Party, were answered when he made national news
> repeating lies about Milo Yiannopoulos, subject of the  violence in
> Berkley, when he insinuated bloodshed to stop free speech was
> 'understandable'... **For those who did not attend the National
> Convention last spring in Orlando, let me tell you how Nick Sarwark was
> re-elected as LP Chairman. He collected a group of loyalists around himself
> to feign running as opposition. Then at the last minute, on the Convention
> floor, they dropped their candidacy and threw their support to the man
> trying to do the Weimar Republic over, as if the Communists will win this
> time. This is why many are starting to  refer to him as 'Nazi Nick',
> despite his Jewish religion. His ignorance of history is astounding,
> especially considering his heritage. It is an ignorance common among the
> products of compulsory government education camps, but unacceptable for
> anyone wishing to lead the third largest political party in the greatest
> nation on the planet. The smug manner in which the leftist infection tries
> to paint President Trump as Hitler is the crowning jewel of their
> ignorance. It is time for a quick history lesson on Germany prior to World
> War Two. Trump is not Hitler, but people like Sarwark are ushering the next
> Hitler in... Behold Nick Sarwark, who claims to lead the party of
> individual freedom, as he ushers his own Jewish people toward the boxcars.
> Nazi Nick, the ultimate in self hatred."*
>
> Even if the rumor about Milo Yiannopoulis planning to "out" undocumented
> students during his speech at UC Berkeley, which Yiannopoulis ultimately
> did not do and denied intending to do, was false – I'm not sure it was; I
> wouldn't be surprised if Yiannopoulis, via associates, was the source of
> the rumor, even if he never intended to carry out any such action – the
> point is that if student protesters heard the rumor and sincerely believed
> it, there's an argument to be made that their use of violence to stop him
> from speaking arguably was, to the best of their knowledge at the time, a
> legitimate defensive measure designed to prevent people being forcibly
> kidnapped and deported by the State. I'm not sure Nick intended to go that
> far; the word "understandable" as he used it is somewhat ambiguous and does
> not necessarily imply approval.
>
> Regardless, any LP member whose views are so badly skewed as to publish a
> written public article condemning as solidly libertarian a party leader as
> the current LP national chair as a "cultural Marxist" and among those who
> is "usher(ing) his own Jewish people toward the boxcars", is not somebody I
> personally want serving in the party leadership. Coupled with the threats
> that Paul Stanton and Paul Frankel report Ramsey making against them and
> against members of Stanton's family, and Ramsey's connections to groups
> like Rock Against Communism and the American Guard, if I sat on the Florida
> LP Executive Committee and had been voting, I believe I would have voted to
> remove Ramsey from that body if such action is consistent with the Florida
> LP's bylaws. But I don't know whether there was a bylaws issue, or why the
> ExCom majority voted down Paul Stanton's motion for removal. My suspicion
> that they may have made what I believe to be a bad decision isn't enough
> for me to support the LNC formally weighing in or taking action vis-a-vis
> the Florida LP, short of the conditions I describe in the first paragraph
> above being met. Short of removal, I don't know what other steps, if any,
> they have taken, or may yet take.
> But if the LNC does not make any direct formal response to the Florida
> situation, this still leaves the question of what else we can do with
> regard to the broader issue of ethno-nationalism seeping into the
> Libertarian Party. It's been pointed out that the LNC has recently issued a
> strong statement against racism and bigotry; the value of issuing another
> such statement at this time seems dubious. However while we've recently
> addressed the "ethno" aspect of the ethno-nationalist problem, I don't
> think we've adequately addressed nationalism, which is much more pervasive.
>
> Nationalism is itself, I believe, a form of bigotry akin to racism. It is
> an anti-individualist philosophy which, translated into government policy,
> results in virtually every national government in the world wrongfully
> discriminating against people on the basis of innate characteristics beyond
> their control (where they were born or who their parents were). It also
> tends to lead people to take un-libertarian positions, such as being
> willing to initiate force against immigrants, supporting protectionism, and
> accepting various rights violations in the name of "national security".
> Nationalism can also serve as a cover for racism, because nationalist and
> racist views often dovetail when it comes to issues like immigration,
> racial profiling in the name of "national security", the U.S. government
> killing people in other countries, etc. But despite being as repugnant as
> racism, nationalism has so far largely gotten a pass from society including
> from many (L)ibertarians. If we are serious about discouraging the sort of
> views that are disrupting the Florida LP, the LNC issuing a strong
> statement against nationalism seems like a very good idea, and I would
> support such a resolution. I think we should also pay more attention to how
> our messaging and other practices (e.g. use of the American flag) can
> subtly legitimize and reinforce nationalism in the party.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
>                                    ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                          RealReform at earthlink.net
>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>                                     @StarchildSF
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> I agree with Ken.  And the RR from that area gave their input.  I can tell
> you no Region 1 state would welcome this interference.
>
> So pre-empttively since we seem so eager to get involved in affiliates -
> this RR says don't mess with Region 1 states.  They handle their own
> business.
>
> I'm hoping Oregon gets on mended terms with National.  This isn't the way
> to show states we learned our lesson from that mess.  Their Board voted and
> unless we think the whole of that leadership are secret nazis then we have
> no right or authority to be second-guessing their decision for their state.
>
> I routinely get complaints about such and such going on here and there.  I
> listen, tell them their rights, and say it is for their state to handle.
> Wes brilliant release said what we needed to.  I wish we would say the same
> to the violent left.  Violence against persons and property is
> unacceptable.  Bigotry and identity collectivism of all kinds is
> unacceptable.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Ken Moellman <ken at moellman.com> wrote:
>
>> A disaffiliation motion is way too extreme.
>>
>> I think the statement made by either Wes or Nick - I forget who made it -
>> about racism and whatnot being not welcome in the party was enough from LP
>> National.  Disaffiliation would take a serious infraction, IMO.  That a
>> party has internal issues is nothing new and nothing to get involved with.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:19 PM, David Demarest <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that a disaffiliation investigation motion would open a can of
>>> worms. Perhaps the existing motion calling for a resolution is the wiser
>>> choice. However, it is a catch-22. How can we justify the resolution if we
>>> do not do the necessary due diligence investigation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Joshua Katz
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:52 PM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you to both Steven, Paul Frankel, and Tom Knapp for inserting
>>> much-needed facts into this discussion.  In light of these facts, I think
>>> vigilance is called for, but do not think it is appropriate, at this time,
>>> to make a relevant motion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will note, without getting into the weeds, that while I won't quibble
>>> with facts alleged about Florida, I would disagree with some of the
>>> statements made about certain national groups, or in other ways about the
>>> dangerous movement we face.  I think they are more dangerous than they've
>>> been described here, and while in the past I considered them individually
>>> dangerous, I now consider them to be an organizational threat - and a
>>> threat to the modern world which made freedom possible.  (Murray Rothbard
>>> pointed out, in 1965, that freedom was made possible by the overthrow of
>>> the Ancien Regime, and I think the pre-modern thinking on the right, and
>>> the post-modern thinking on the left, are both creating an environment
>>> where it can return.)  I consider them, at the moment, the most immediate
>>> threat to freedom in our culture, since they have organized and gone beyond
>>> being individual cranks - they now are making moves on the world of ideas,
>>> which controls the rest.  And remember that far too many people associate
>>> us with them.  The Charlottesville morons (if it brings them any comfort, I
>>> think I speak on behalf of all Jews when I say that none of us desire to be
>>> mouth-breathing bigots carrying tiki torches, so their fears about us
>>> replacing them are misplaced) used a banner which was based on the Albany
>>> Plan of Union banner - and one of the snake pieces was labeled L.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In any event, as concerns Florida, I think the analysis is pretty
>>> straightforward, although the determinations are not.  Is there a problem?
>>> I am convinced there is, and I am convinced we should not ignore it and
>>> blind ourselves to it.  Another party tried that approach, as well as
>>> "well, we'll bring them along for their votes on the things we agree
>>> about," and now is largely unable to get candidates who actually favor its
>>> basic ideas through primaries.  The next question, the crucial question, is
>>> - can the affiliate fix it?  (A related, but somewhat different question,
>>> is whether it wants to.)  I think the answer to that is yes.  There is, of
>>> course, a tipping point - a point where rather than try to fix the problem,
>>> good people simply leave, and the ability to fix the problem goes away.
>>> And good people are, it seems clear to me, leaving.  I still do not think
>>> the tipping point has been reached, though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At-Large Representative,
>>>
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: <travellingcircus at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
>>> To: "Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org" <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>, Independent
>>> Political Report <independent-political-report at googlegroups.com>, "
>>> iprtwo at googlegroups.com" <iprtwo at googlegroups.com>, erin.adams at lp.org,
>>> Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>, Joshua Katz <joshua.katz at lp.org>,
>>> David Demarest <David.Demarest at lp.org>, Daniel Hayes <
>>> daniel.hayes at lp.org>, Ed Marsh <ednmax at yahoo.com>, Steven Nekhaila <
>>> Steven.Nekhaila at gmail.com>, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>, Paul
>>> Stanton <paul at stanton.name>
>>>
>>> I'm writing to LNC members who commented in this thread plus Whitney as
>>> my rep, IPR teamCCed for background, and Paul Stanton CCed. If any of the
>>> LNC members copied feel it's worth sharing with the rest of LNC please do
>>> so. If not, my feelings won't be hurt either.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not going to comment on what if anything LNC should do, just lay out
>>> the facts as I know them,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just before Paul Stanton resigned from LPF exec comm he submitted the
>>> following to that body (see links embedded in original):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/lpfec/7Ii6WazfTGo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tonight's motion 520 is mainly regarding threats and advocacy of
>>> violence against me and others, including a current US Senate candidate and
>>> former rules chair of the Libertarian Party of Miami-Dade.  Additionally,
>>> he is a leader in a white supremacist group, the American Guard
>>> <http://adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>,
>>> a spin-off group of the violent anti-immigrant Sons of Odin - founded by Brien
>>> James
>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/brien-james> (who
>>> also founded the Vinlanders - a Neo-Nazi group responsible for dozens of
>>> murders).  The crossed cleavers in their shield is a reference to 19th century
>>> anti-immigrant gang leader, Bill the Butcher
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Poole> - an advocacy of violence
>>> against immigrants.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan Ramsey himself covers white nationalist "Rock Against Communism
>>> <https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism>" bands like S
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>crewdriver
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>, and advocates for Operation
>>> Werewolf <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf>.  He has called the
>>> LNC Chair Nick Sarwark "Nazi Nick," citing Nick's Jewish religion, then
>>> blaming people "disingenuous political leaders like Nick Sarwark" for the
>>> rise of the Nazi Party and ultimately the Holocaust.
>>> <http://archive.is/EMZPY>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are some links which I will be referencing tonight at the meeting:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/%3Cbr+/%3E>
>>> https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists
>>> http://libertarianheathen.com
>>> http://archive.is/t5jC7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bottom line, I am sick of seeing threats of violence against good
>>> Libertarians, and others disassociating in disgust over the intimidation
>>> tactics, dehumanization, and white supremacist rhetoric being employed by
>>> leaders within our party.  If we allow one of our leaders to threaten our
>>> membership while having the ability to stop it, voters and donors have no
>>> reason to take our party seriously, as we clearly do not.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The delegates very clearly gave us the ability to remove people from the
>>> EC for violation of the non-aggression pledge.  Tonight we must decide if
>>> we will take that task seriously or not.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In liberty,
>>> *Paul Stanton*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Folowup message: *
>>>
>>>
>>> [          ]
>>>
>>> Info about the 1930s German Nazi history book that Ryan Ramsey took his
>>> meme from:
>>>
>>> http://spartacus-educational.com/Jewish_Children.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Frankel: I can also attest to the threats coming from Ramsey, his former
>>> close associate Augustus Invictus and others in their circle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Back in April of this year, on a tip from IPR site owner Warren Redlich,
>>> I published
>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/police-report-augustus-invictus-accused-of-domestic-violence-sexual-assault-kidnapping/
>>> detailing that Mr. Invictus' ex-fiancee made these very serious allegations
>>> against him. I confirmed with the police department in question that the
>>> referenced report had in fact been filed. I made no comment in the article
>>> about the truth or falsehood of the allegations. Any comments of opinions I
>>> made in the comment section on the same basis as any of our other readers
>>> and clearly marked as opinion. Notably, the complaintant and associate of
>>> hers also reported death threats at the time from Invictus and Ramsey, who
>>> have since then (very recently) had a falling out. Witness tampering was
>>> also one of the allegations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I also *republished*
>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/
>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/>
>>> (note that the original and its website were taken down so the images no
>>> longer appear; scroll down to see the section about Ryan Ramsey as the last
>>> part of the article).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As a response, 1) Augustus Invictus wrote me and Warren Redlich,
>>> insinuating possible legal action and hinting at other forms of
>>> retaliation; he later wrote another former associate of his, Raquel Okyay,
>>> which was later forwarded to me, naming me as one of the people he plans to
>>> take some form of unspecified revenge on.   2) Ryan Ramsey published two
>>> articles filled with outright lies and slanderous fictions about me,
>>> Redlich, and others alleging some grand conspiracy . You can find them at
>>> libertarianheathen.com with a search for Frankel. Ramsey and his
>>> associates continually spread this crap on FB and probably elsewhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://libertarianheathen.com/?s=frankel
>>>
>>>
>>> The slanderous lies from Ramsey were tit for tat retaliation – he said
>>> so himself, and offered a reciprocal unpublishing – because I reported the
>>> news that his then buddy Augustus Invictus, one of the Charlottesville
>>> organizers, had been accused of a pattern of domestic violence, kidnapping
>>> and rape by his ex-fiancee. I was simply reporting the news, not taking a
>>> stance, except in the comments; and even there I was careful to separate
>>> what I knew to be fact from my opinion and what others alleged.
>>> Furthermore, I reposted accurate reporting about Ryan Ramsey and his
>>> associates previously published elsewhere. His response was to
>>>
>>> 1) Publish lies about me, Warren Redlich and IPR, linked above
>>>
>>> 2) Offer to take them down if we took down our own reporting
>>>
>>> 3) Threaten to sic law enforcement on me for supposedly being a
>>> terrorist and threatening his wife, none of which is even remotely true.
>>> Specifically, he said he had contacted the Florida Department of Law
>>> Enforcement electronic crimes division and was planning to meet with the
>>> FBI and tell them that I am a terrorist (a preposterous lie) and that I
>>> threatened his then pregnant wife (another absurd fiction).
>>>
>>> 4) His pal Invictus broached the possibility of suing us (but said he
>>> wasn’t doing that, at least at that time)
>>>
>>> 5) Invictus later issued a non-specific threat against me and a few
>>> other people saying we will “get what is coming to us.” Among many other
>>> people he and his associates have threatened.
>>>
>>> Ryan Ramsey’s article is in fact full of attacks, slander and lies.
>>> Looking at just the headline alone: I am not editor in chief at IPR and in
>>> fact there is no such position. I am not a terrorist, and that is a
>>> slanderous claim. Moving beyond the headline I address numerous inaccurate
>>> statements, slanders, libel and downright lies in Ramsey’s article in a
>>> series of comments starting at
>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-write-open-letter-to-lnc-starchild-responds/#comment-1581189 and
>>> continuing over a couple of dozen comments.
>>>
>>> To take one egregious example, Ramsey continually asserts that I had
>>> something to do with killing a dog. I did not, and while he is not the
>>> first person to spread this lie it is nevertheless a lie and he is not
>>> repeating it as a statement by someone else but rather as something he
>>> knows to be true, unlike the statements about him by others that I have
>>> published. There are many similar falsehoods throughout the article which I
>>> addressed in IPR comments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Others who have been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and friends include *Tom
>>> Knapp *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1636145
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *"**To date, twice when the AI combination pity party / threat machine
>>> got cranked up and I was involved in direct back and forth, I escalated
>>> from Condition Yellow to Condition Orange. This involves, among other
>>> things, making my family aware of a possible threat, ensuring that at least
>>> one person in the household in addition to myself has a loaded firearm near
>>> to hand at all times, and paying special attention to street traffic in my
>>> neighborhood (which is very low traffic so anything unusual stands out, and
>>> I have a nearby neighbor who knows to call if anything looks suspicious as
>>> well). "*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Frankel again) The email I was forwarded from Invictus says in part *"**Stanton,
>>> Tesky, Wyllie, Marchetti, and Frankel **are all directly responsible
>>> for that, because the babysitter called the police based off the bullshit
>>> criminal allegations being pushed by those five. It was the ‘news’ story
>>> that caused the babysitter to call the police. Fourth and final: It never
>>> crossed my mind that Joe (Wendt) had anything to do with that, but if I
>>> find out that he was involved with Stanton or Tesky or Marchetti in pushing
>>> those criminal allegations, I will hang him with my own fucking hands. That
>>> entire situation is something so outrageous that I am not even discussing
>>> it. Each and every person who was involved or had knowledge of it will get
>>> what is coming to them.**"*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And in fact, all of the people named, myself included, are among many
>>> others who have reported being threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and their
>>> circle of associates. Ramsey is still neck deep in it even now that
>>> Invictus has become a Republican.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ramsey is allegedly gloating about Stanton's resignation in these
>>> facebook groups, among others:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kekistan
>>>
>>> The Right Way: No Cucks, Only Kek
>>>
>>> Republic of Kekistan
>>>
>>> @The Deplorables and Basement Dwellers for Trump
>>>
>>> Anti-SJW
>>>
>>> Anti-SJW Pinochet's Beach Party
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The ex-fiancee of Invictus, Ms. Rice, and her friend Ms. Brown along
>>> with others they knew also reported being threatened and intimidated by
>>> Invictus, Ramsey et al.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/joe-wendt-for-us-senate-new-lp-of-florida-chair-undermines-libertarian-principles-in-favor-of-white-nationalists/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> *Libertarian Party Candidate for U.S. Senate, Joe Wendt, condemns LPF
>>> Chair, Marcos Miralles, for pursuing a policy that promotes white
>>> nationalists within the Libertarian Party of Florida. “Mr. Miralles has
>>> appointed known white nationalists to leadership positions.”*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *...*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“I have been threatened with physical violence by white nationalist
>>> supporters of Miralles,” said Wendt. “*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://goog_1698321734/>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/
>>> see embedded links in original"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *We are losing good members, and the trust of the public, due to the
>>> elevation of leaders in extremist hate groups to our party leadership.  We
>>> need a new approach.  Local libertarian-leaning politicians and voters
>>> associate us with far-right extremists.  As of yesterday, my county no
>>> longer has a full slate of candidates for the Florida House.   One of the
>>> Libertarian candidates I drafted will now unfortunately be running NPA.
>>> Yesterday, we also lost our incoming Rules Committee chair.  Previously,
>>> both our former gubernatorial nominee and our senatorial nominee (prior to
>>> me) have resigned their LPF memberships, among countless other Libertarian
>>> activists and volunteers.  A member of my 2016 Senate campaign ended her
>>> participation with the party, because her employer forbids associations
>>> with members of extremist hate groups advocating for violence. A single
>>> friend (who ceased her participation after receiving death threats) has
>>> reported that no fewer than 30 of her acquaintances have withdrawn from
>>> Libertarian Party activism due to risks to themselves and their
>>> reputations.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *During my US Senate campaign, I never expected the situation that
>>> unfolded.  I expected the personal attacks, but I never expected racist
>>> fantasies about my mother, posting of personal information about members of
>>> my family, or the violent threats and sexual harassment targeting my
>>> supporters and members of my campaign.  Last month, after I introduced a
>>> motion (which was killed) to remove Florida’s member of the Libertarian
>>> Party Platform Committee for his racist statements
>>> <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racist_is_a_code_word_for_anti-white#.22The_mantra.22>,
>>> I was accused of wanting to kill all white people, in a “white genocide
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory>”
>>> conspiracy theory.  And now today, there have been threats that
>>> the militant <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers_of_Odin> hate
>>> <http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/who-are-the-american-guard-patriotic-nationalists-or-skinheads-in-disguise> group
>>> <https://godsandradicals.org/2017/03/18/heathen-know-nothings-the-american-guard/> the
>>> <http://forward.com/fast-forward/368055/white-supremacists-and-skinheads-join-pro-trump-rally/> American
>>> Guard
>>> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>may
>>> be waiting for me in the parking lot, or harassing county party meetings.
>>> We must have higher standards for our party leadership!*
>>>
>>> *Sadly, these are common intimidation tactics among white nationalists,
>>> and there are several other victims throughout Florida.  This behavior
>>> cannot be accepted.  We cannot continue to elevate these people.
>>> Libertarianism stands for maximum freedom for everyone, universally. We
>>> dishonor ourselves and our party by enabling liars with wildly divergent
>>> philosophies, who stand immediately adjacent to neo-Nazis
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_(United_States)>, white
>>> nationalists
>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/vinlanders-social-club>, fascists
>>> <https://johnmhudak.com/2017/07/16/rise-of-the-anarcho-statists-part-iii-augustus-sol-invictus-the-unconquerable-sun-god/>,organized
>>> criminal syndicates
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaws_Motorcycle_Club>, and domestic
>>> terrorists <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Front>.*
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>>> From the comments:
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>>>
>>> 1.     *Starchild <http://www.openborders.info/>**July 22, 2017 at
>>> 09:26*
>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634719>
>>>
>>> *Joe, do you know which individuals were shouting “white power” at the
>>> state convention? Is there video evidence of this? I would hope those
>>> individuals are identified and ostracized, and that other Libertarians will
>>> make clear to them that there is no room for such racism in the LP. That is
>>> not what we are about. If individuals who seek to act in such a manner
>>> leave the party, that is not a loss for us but a gain.*
>>>
>>> 2.
>>>
>>> 3.     *Joe Wendt**July 22, 2017 at 12:10*
>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634766>
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>>> *Starchild,*
>>>
>>> *The individuals in question are supports of the current LPF Chair.
>>> Although Augustus Invictus, the most prominent of the White Nationalists,
>>> has left the party, unfortunately other less prominent White Nationalists
>>> are not [only -p] remaining active in the LPF, the Chair is actually giving
>>> them positions of authority.*
>>>
>>> *Screenshot of Ramsey threatening to knock Wendt’s teeth out and saying
>>> he may have an “accident”*
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>>>
>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/received_10159060778305274.png
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>>> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at 12:04
>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635134>
>>>
>>> Again, it’s not about Joe.* Yes Ramsey threatened Joe, but he also
>>> threatened many other people, as has Invictus and their other buddies.
>>> There are numerous sources for that, including me. *Yes, Ramsey has
>>> spread bullshit about me. I think he is still doing it although I haven’t
>>> checked lately. Did he know it to be false or did he just repeat what other
>>> people said? Well, he couldn’t have known it to be true since it was not
>>> true and he did not say “so and so says” he just repeated things as if they
>>> were facts and added new ones such as the bullshit about me being a
>>> terrorist and member of a terrorist groups and the bullshit about me making
>>> threats against his wife. And again, *these are just examples just as
>>> the other examples in Stanton’s article are only examples.*
>>>
>>> *The real issue is that there is an ongoing pattern as reported by many
>>> different people of Invictus, Ramsey and their circle of friends issuing
>>> threats, spreading lies .. to and about many different people .. and
>>> maintaining ongoing close associations with multiple white supremacist
>>> groups and violent groups and individuals.*
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> *Ramsey says “You were awful meek last night punk. Ill see you soon
>>> though and well see how mouthy you are”* which is clearly physical
>>> intimidation. Joe is talking shit on the internet but Ramsey says he will
>>> not do it in person. Why not? Clearly due to threat of physical violence.
>>> Ramsey follows this up with *“Id be more concerned with the teeth in
>>> your mouth at this point joe. Your dental plan good?” *which in the
>>> context of his earlier statement is not exactly a very veiled threat. If he
>>> was genuinely concerned about Joe slipping and falling due to being drunk,
>>> which is laughable in the context of the conversation, he would not have
>>> made the threat so specific.
>>>
>>> And the larger context of course is that there have been many other
>>> threats, to many other people, myself as well as this publication (IPR)
>>> included.
>>>
>>> Joe WendtJuly 23, 2017 at 13:55
>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635174>
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>>> *To Andy,*
>>>
>>> *I have contacted the police. Since it has not progressed beyond
>>> Facebook, they told me to block him and contact them again if he continues
>>> the harassing and threatening behavior. They will be called if he threatens
>>> me again.*
>>>
>>> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at 14:19
>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635179>
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>>> *Also, if all of these if all of these violent threats have been made,
>>> why hasn’t anyone gone to jail? Has anyone even gotten a restraining order?*
>>>
>>> Don’t be naive. Threats are not always made in a verifiable, provable
>>> form. I’ve received plenty of threats over the years, including death
>>> threats, and I have never felt the urge to go to the cops about it. What
>>> the fuck are they going to do? While they conduct their half assed
>>> investigation I may get killed or injured or whatever else. Or someone else
>>> around me.
>>>
>>> And one of the people that has been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and
>>> friends made a good point. This person said that Ramsey has known contacts
>>> in law enforcement and that there are known ties between many members of
>>> law enforcement and white supremacist groups such as the ones Ramsey and
>>> Invictus have a lot of ties to. So reporting anything to law enforcement
>>> may actually be cutting your own throat if you get threatened by these
>>> assholes.
>>>
>>> FL: Augustus Invictus campaigns in front of white nationalist skinhead
>>> music banner
>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
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>>>  http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/
>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
>>> Note: Ramsey also frequently associates with that same banner to this day.
>>> "Rock Against Communism" may sound like something that libertarians would
>>> agree with, but in reality it's a well-known neo-nazi front organization
>>> that no "former" white supremacist (as Ramsey claims to be) would have any
>>> association with.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism
>>>
>>> *The Rock Against Communism movement originated in the **United Kingdom
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>** in late 1978 with **far
>>> right <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right>** activists associated
>>> with the **National Front
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Front>** (NF).**[4]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** It
>>> was intended to counter the **Rock Against Racism
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism>** organisation.**[4]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** The
>>> first RAC concert was in **Leeds <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds>*
>>> *, **England <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>** in 1978,
>>> featuring the **Nazi punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_punk>** bands
>>> The Dentists and The Ventz.**[5]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-5>** RAC
>>> held one concert in 1979 and another in spring 1983, which was headlined
>>> by **Skrewdriver <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>**, a **white
>>> power rock <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_rock>** band led
>>> by **Ian Stuart Donaldson
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stuart_Donaldson>**. After that, RAC
>>> concerts were held more often. They were often headlined by Skrewdriver and
>>> featured other white power bands, such as **Skullhead
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skullhead>** and **No Remorse
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Remorse_(band)>**. In the mid-1980s,
>>> summer concerts were often held at the **Suffolk
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk>** home of **Edgar Griffin
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Griffin>**, a **Conservative Party
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)>** activist**[6]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-6>** and
>>> father of **Nick Griffin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin>**,
>>> an NF organiser who later became the national chair of the **British
>>> National Party <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party>**.
>>> By the late 1980s, the RAC name had given way to the White Noise Club
>>> (another NF-based group), and later **Blood and Honour
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Honour>**, which was set up
>>> by **Donaldson <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaldson>** when they
>>> fell out with the NF leadership.**[4]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>*
>>> * As **hardcore punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk>** music
>>> became more popular in the 1990s and 2000s, many white power bands took on
>>> a more hardcore-influenced sound.*
>>>
>>> Note that Ryan Ramsey continues to proudly wave the "Rock against
>>> communism" banner.
>>>
>>> Chuck Moulton: ‘LP conventions, avoid alt-right / white supremacist
>>> event speakers’
>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/>
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>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/
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>>> More background:
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>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/alexandria-brown-response-to-ryan-ramsey-and-timeline-of-events/
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>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-rape-assault-kidnapping-and-witness-tampering-allegations-against-augustus-invictus/
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>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-augustus-invictus-criminal-allegations-and-retraction-of-censure-from-florida-lp-possible-disaffiliation-by-lnc-floated/
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>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/david-colborne-augustus-sol-invictus-is-not-welcome-in-my-state/
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>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knppster-were-going-to-shut-it-down/
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>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knapp-replace-lp-of-florida-exec-comm-and-bylaws/
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>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/paul-stanton-lp-florida-chair-marcos-miralles-must-resign/
>>>  :
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>>> *Marcos Miralles began his race for Chair of the LPF with the support
>>> of Augustus Sol Invictus
>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/augustus-sol-invictus-austin-gillespie>**and
>>> Ryan Ramsey, both leaders in white supremacist groups, including the
>>> American Guard
>>> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>**.
>>>  (The American Guard was one of the groups present in Charlottesville last
>>> weekend.
>>> <http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/indianapolis/indiana-american-guard-among-protestors-at-charlottesville-unite-the-right-rally>**)
>>>  Invictus was also a featured speaker at the Charlottesville white
>>> supremacist rally.
>>> <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-augustus-invictus-charlottesville-20170814-story.html>**  The
>>> support has not been one-sided.  Last year, Marcos Miralles provided a town
>>> hall for Invictus
>>> <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article97524342.html>** (as
>>> part of a campaign to stir up drama during the primary), the pictures from
>>> which are still used by the Miami Herald to associate our party with
>>> Invictus <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article167083427.html>**.
>>> Additionally, he proudly displayed Ryan Ramsey’s endorsement on his website
>>> and appointed Ryan Ramsey <https://docs.lpf.org/meeting/july-16th-2017/>** to
>>> our Legislative Review Committee.  There is no place for white supremacy in
>>> the Libertarian Party of Florida.*
>>>
>>> *Thankfully, there was a recent press release
>>> <https://lpf.org/2017/08/libertarian-party-florida-first-strongest-voice-hate-filled-groups/> condemning
>>> the events in Charlottesville.  Unfortunately, Marcos Miralles has refused
>>> to condemn the white supremacists within our party, or recant his previous
>>> support.  Instead, he insists that he will “work with everybody” and has
>>> dismissed worries about white supremacists using our party to support their
>>> platform as “non sense,” despite the support of the previously-mentioned
>>> Libertarians, and despite the Libertarian Party of Florida’s representative
>>> to the Libertarian Party platform committee, Frank Caprio.  Caprio
>>> regularly makes very racist comments, including quotes white
>>> supremacist Bob Whitaker
>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/06/07/bob-whitaker-author-racist-mantra-white-genocide-has-died>.
>>> I physically cringed when I read Marcos write: “The Libertarian Party of
>>> Florida will forever remain the safest home for all of those that fight for
>>> civil rights.”  As one of the Libertarian victims of violent threats and
>>> harassment (a Muslim mother of biracial children) stated, “The Libertarian
>>> Party was not a safe haven for me and many others like me.  It should be,
>>> by principle. […] But that’s not the present day reality.”  Sadly, she
>>> ended her participation with the party after concerns with the safety of
>>> her family. When she reached out to Miralles, she was ignored and blocked
>>> on social media.*
>>>
>>>
>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/
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>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/
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>>> *There were people yelling white power. Larry Sharpe went on an
>>> alt-right vlog by Ryan Ramsey called the Mad American Network. That group
>>> was with Invictus in Harrisburg, PA and at least one member, Dave Martel,
>>> was seen sieg heiling there. Invictus chased someone out of a courtesy
>>> suite with threats of violence. Invictus was then pushing Paul Stanton
>>> trying to pick a fight. There was loud applause of his speech where he
>>> hijacked our convention for five minutes, then just bragged about it…*
>>>
>>> *…our gubernatorial candidate denied Stanton a mic for a privileged
>>> motion, so that he could procedurally kill a pro-immigration platform plank
>>> without letting it be read.*
>>>
>>> *Thomas Knapp lost an ad hoc election to the LP platform committee to a
>>> “constitutional conservative” who once told me, “anti-racist is code for
>>> anti-white,” Frank Caprio. He’s from the LP of Orange County (Orlando area,
>>> same as Invictus -p).*
>>> *Oh, and by the way – no pretend antifa protesters showed up, of course.*
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>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/09/paul-frankel-why-libertarians-need-to-denounce-the-alt-right-and-white-nationalists-and-dont-need-to-worry-about-libertarian-socialists-and-antifa/
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>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/lsla-2017-physically-removed-so-to-speak-making-the-lp-inhospitable-to-the-alt-right-and-other-nazis/
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>>> I'm sure that's more than enough for now, but there's plenty more. Feel
>>> free to email or call 205-534-1622 <(205)%20534-1622> to discuss, and
>>> forward wherever or whenever you wish.
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>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:39 AM, <lnc-votes at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>>> I also agree with Ed.
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>>> Caryn Ann, just to make it perfectly clear, I will support an
>>> investigative motion only if requested by someone in the Florida affiliate.
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>>> In the meantime, I will continue to disregard political correctness,
>>> speak out against mindless bigotry at every opportunity and encourage
>>> economic and social ostracism to cope with both supremacist violence and
>>> the moral wrong of non-violent ‘bake the cake’ intolerance. State-sponsored
>>> retaliatory violence is not the answer to intolerance and just leaves the
>>> door open for state-initiated repression that we Libertarians are supposed
>>> to be fighting against.
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>>> There is no place for bigotry in the LP and the Libertarianism movement,
>>> regardless of whether or not specific intolerant acts violate the
>>> Non-Aggression Principle.
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>>> Thoughts?
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>>> ~David Pratt
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>>> *May 25-27 2018 Omaha Roads to Freedom Un-Convention*
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>>> *Freedom, Nothing More, Nothing Less*
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>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:17 AM
>>> *To:* ednmax at yahoo.com
>>> *Cc:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org; lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
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>>> Thank you Ed.  I really appreciate your thoughts.
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>>> -Caryn Ann
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>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:07 AM, Ed Marsh <ednmax at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> I talk with the leadership (officers) of the LPF on a regular basis.
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>>> Not one regular member or member of the Exc. Com has asked me to
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>>> have the LNC involved in this matter.
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>>> At this time unless something changes let the Florida Libertarian Party
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>>> take care of its own internal business.
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>>> --
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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