[Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Ed and Steve, thank you.  Keep up the good fight.

-Caryn Ann


On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:52 AM David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thoughtless memes will not resolve the mess in Florida or the broader
> threat to the LP and the Libertarian movement. Recent Libertarian events
> have had to take into consideration how to deal with ethno-nationalist
> disruptions emmenating from Florida. I agree that in the long run their
> behavior is self-defeating. In the short run, however, they are making life
> miserable for some Libertarians. I suggest we move beyond memes and take a
> serious look at the matter.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> On Oct 27, 2017 12:28 PM, "Daniel Hayes" <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>
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>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:28 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just read a "response" by Ryan Ramsey and it has all the marks of an
>> aggressive gas lighting campaign.  After I read that letter, my "knower"
>> knew that there are too many testimonies that ring true.  There is a very
>> manipulative game going on.
>>
>> There is definitely something very toxic going on in Florida.  I am going
>> to be speaking to my Region 1 Chairs about this as I make my quarterly
>> conferences with them.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:52 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If there is clear evidence of (1) a current Florida LP state-level
>>> official making clearly racist statements, or clear and credible threats of
>>> violence, and (2) the Florida LP leadership being aware of this and taking
>>> no action whatsoever to condemn it or distance the Florida LP from it, I
>>> think perhaps a letter of concern from the LNC would be in order. If the
>>> Florida LP leadership offered no reasonable response to such a letter and
>>> continued to not take any remedial action, especially if it became clear
>>> that this was part of a pattern of ignoring racism or serious
>>> Non-Aggression Principle violations from state leaders, then I would be
>>> ready to entertain a motion to disaffiliate.
>>>
>>> But – and I confess I have not read all the links and background on this
>>> – I'm not sure even the first condition stated above has been met. My
>>> personal belief is that Ryan Ramsey likely does hold bigoted white
>>> supremacist type views, but while the the evidence for this may be
>>> cumulatively compelling (walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.), it
>>> also seems to be largely circumstantial. I looked at the American Guard
>>> website for instance, and didn't find a "smoking gun" of explicitly racist
>>> material. Now I do think Ramsey's comments about LP chair Nick Sarwark are
>>> reprehensible and without merit. A sample (more at
>>> http://archive.is/EMZPY#selection-233.0-233.110):
>>>
>>> *"*Nick Sarwark, National Chairman of the Libertarian Party, is the
>>> poster boy for the Cultural Marxist idiocy that keeps us relegated to
>>> single digit election returns... *Any question as to whether Mr.
>>> Sarwark was a lover of liberty, or a Cultural Marxist attempting to hold
>>> back the advance of the  Libertarian Party, were answered when he made
>>> national news repeating lies about Milo Yiannopoulos, subject of the
>>> violence in Berkley, when he insinuated bloodshed to stop free speech was
>>> 'understandable'... **For those who did not attend the National
>>> Convention last spring in Orlando, let me tell you how Nick Sarwark was
>>> re-elected as LP Chairman. He collected a group of loyalists around himself
>>> to feign running as opposition. Then at the last minute, on the Convention
>>> floor, they dropped their candidacy and threw their support to the man
>>> trying to do the Weimar Republic over, as if the Communists will win this
>>> time. This is why many are starting to  refer to him as 'Nazi Nick',
>>> despite his Jewish religion. His ignorance of history is astounding,
>>> especially considering his heritage. It is an ignorance common among the
>>> products of compulsory government education camps, but unacceptable for
>>> anyone wishing to lead the third largest political party in the greatest
>>> nation on the planet. The smug manner in which the leftist infection tries
>>> to paint President Trump as Hitler is the crowning jewel of their
>>> ignorance. It is time for a quick history lesson on Germany prior to World
>>> War Two. Trump is not Hitler, but people like Sarwark are ushering the next
>>> Hitler in... Behold Nick Sarwark, who claims to lead the party of
>>> individual freedom, as he ushers his own Jewish people toward the boxcars.
>>> Nazi Nick, the ultimate in self hatred."*
>>>
>>> Even if the rumor about Milo Yiannopoulis planning to "out" undocumented
>>> students during his speech at UC Berkeley, which Yiannopoulis ultimately
>>> did not do and denied intending to do, was false – I'm not sure it was; I
>>> wouldn't be surprised if Yiannopoulis, via associates, was the source of
>>> the rumor, even if he never intended to carry out any such action – the
>>> point is that if student protesters heard the rumor and sincerely believed
>>> it, there's an argument to be made that their use of violence to stop him
>>> from speaking arguably was, to the best of their knowledge at the time, a
>>> legitimate defensive measure designed to prevent people being forcibly
>>> kidnapped and deported by the State. I'm not sure Nick intended to go that
>>> far; the word "understandable" as he used it is somewhat ambiguous and does
>>> not necessarily imply approval.
>>>
>>> Regardless, any LP member whose views are so badly skewed as to publish
>>> a written public article condemning as solidly libertarian a party leader
>>> as the current LP national chair as a "cultural Marxist" and among those
>>> who is "usher(ing) his own Jewish people toward the boxcars", is not
>>> somebody I personally want serving in the party leadership. Coupled with
>>> the threats that Paul Stanton and Paul Frankel report Ramsey making against
>>> them and against members of Stanton's family, and Ramsey's connections to
>>> groups like Rock Against Communism and the American Guard, if I sat on the
>>> Florida LP Executive Committee and had been voting, I believe I would have
>>> voted to remove Ramsey from that body if such action is consistent with the
>>> Florida LP's bylaws. But I don't know whether there was a bylaws issue, or
>>> why the ExCom majority voted down Paul Stanton's motion for removal. My
>>> suspicion that they may have made what I believe to be a bad decision isn't
>>> enough for me to support the LNC formally weighing in or taking action
>>> vis-a-vis the Florida LP, short of the conditions I describe in the first
>>> paragraph above being met. Short of removal, I don't know what other steps,
>>> if any, they have taken, or may yet take.
>>> But if the LNC does not make any direct formal response to the Florida
>>> situation, this still leaves the question of what else we can do with
>>> regard to the broader issue of ethno-nationalism seeping into the
>>> Libertarian Party. It's been pointed out that the LNC has recently issued a
>>> strong statement against racism and bigotry; the value of issuing another
>>> such statement at this time seems dubious. However while we've recently
>>> addressed the "ethno" aspect of the ethno-nationalist problem, I don't
>>> think we've adequately addressed nationalism, which is much more pervasive.
>>>
>>> Nationalism is itself, I believe, a form of bigotry akin to racism. It
>>> is an anti-individualist philosophy which, translated into government
>>> policy, results in virtually every national government in the world
>>> wrongfully discriminating against people on the basis of innate
>>> characteristics beyond their control (where they were born or who their
>>> parents were). It also tends to lead people to take un-libertarian
>>> positions, such as being willing to initiate force against immigrants,
>>> supporting protectionism, and accepting various rights violations in the
>>> name of "national security". Nationalism can also serve as a cover for
>>> racism, because nationalist and racist views often dovetail when it comes
>>> to issues like immigration, racial profiling in the name of "national
>>> security", the U.S. government killing people in other countries, etc. But
>>> despite being as repugnant as racism, nationalism has so far largely gotten
>>> a pass from society including from many (L)ibertarians. If we are serious
>>> about discouraging the sort of views that are disrupting the Florida LP,
>>> the LNC issuing a strong statement against nationalism seems like a very
>>> good idea, and I would support such a resolution. I think we should also
>>> pay more attention to how our messaging and other practices (e.g. use of
>>> the American flag) can subtly legitimize and reinforce nationalism in the
>>> party.
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>>                                    ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>                          RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>>>                                     @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with Ken.  And the RR from that area gave their input.  I can
>>> tell you no Region 1 state would welcome this interference.
>>>
>>> So pre-empttively since we seem so eager to get involved in affiliates -
>>> this RR says don't mess with Region 1 states.  They handle their own
>>> business.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping Oregon gets on mended terms with National.  This isn't the
>>> way to show states we learned our lesson from that mess.  Their Board voted
>>> and unless we think the whole of that leadership are secret nazis then we
>>> have no right or authority to be second-guessing their decision for their
>>> state.
>>>
>>> I routinely get complaints about such and such going on here and there.
>>> I listen, tell them their rights, and say it is for their state to handle.
>>> Wes brilliant release said what we needed to.  I wish we would say the same
>>> to the violent left.  Violence against persons and property is
>>> unacceptable.  Bigotry and identity collectivism of all kinds is
>>> unacceptable.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Ken Moellman <ken at moellman.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A disaffiliation motion is way too extreme.
>>>>
>>>> I think the statement made by either Wes or Nick - I forget who made it
>>>> - about racism and whatnot being not welcome in the party was enough from
>>>> LP National.  Disaffiliation would take a serious infraction, IMO.  That a
>>>> party has internal issues is nothing new and nothing to get involved with.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:19 PM, David Demarest <
>>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree that a disaffiliation investigation motion would open a can of
>>>>> worms. Perhaps the existing motion calling for a resolution is the wiser
>>>>> choice. However, it is a catch-22. How can we justify the resolution if we
>>>>> do not do the necessary due diligence investigation?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~David Pratt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *May 25-27 2018 Omaha Roads to Freedom Un-Convention*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Freedom, Nothing More, Nothing Less*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>
>>>>> Roads to Freedom Foundation, Founder
>>>>>
>>>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>>>
>>>>> LSLA Vice-Chair
>>>>>
>>>>> LPNE State Central Committee, Secretary
>>>>>
>>>>> LPRC Board Member, Nebraska State Coordinator
>>>>>
>>>>> David.Demarest at LP.org
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Joshua Katz
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:52 PM
>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you to both Steven, Paul Frankel, and Tom Knapp for inserting
>>>>> much-needed facts into this discussion.  In light of these facts, I think
>>>>> vigilance is called for, but do not think it is appropriate, at this time,
>>>>> to make a relevant motion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will note, without getting into the weeds, that while I won't
>>>>> quibble with facts alleged about Florida, I would disagree with some of the
>>>>> statements made about certain national groups, or in other ways about the
>>>>> dangerous movement we face.  I think they are more dangerous than they've
>>>>> been described here, and while in the past I considered them individually
>>>>> dangerous, I now consider them to be an organizational threat - and a
>>>>> threat to the modern world which made freedom possible.  (Murray Rothbard
>>>>> pointed out, in 1965, that freedom was made possible by the overthrow of
>>>>> the Ancien Regime, and I think the pre-modern thinking on the right, and
>>>>> the post-modern thinking on the left, are both creating an environment
>>>>> where it can return.)  I consider them, at the moment, the most immediate
>>>>> threat to freedom in our culture, since they have organized and gone beyond
>>>>> being individual cranks - they now are making moves on the world of ideas,
>>>>> which controls the rest.  And remember that far too many people associate
>>>>> us with them.  The Charlottesville morons (if it brings them any comfort, I
>>>>> think I speak on behalf of all Jews when I say that none of us desire to be
>>>>> mouth-breathing bigots carrying tiki torches, so their fears about us
>>>>> replacing them are misplaced) used a banner which was based on the Albany
>>>>> Plan of Union banner - and one of the snake pieces was labeled L.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In any event, as concerns Florida, I think the analysis is pretty
>>>>> straightforward, although the determinations are not.  Is there a problem?
>>>>> I am convinced there is, and I am convinced we should not ignore it and
>>>>> blind ourselves to it.  Another party tried that approach, as well as
>>>>> "well, we'll bring them along for their votes on the things we agree
>>>>> about," and now is largely unable to get candidates who actually favor its
>>>>> basic ideas through primaries.  The next question, the crucial question, is
>>>>> - can the affiliate fix it?  (A related, but somewhat different question,
>>>>> is whether it wants to.)  I think the answer to that is yes.  There is, of
>>>>> course, a tipping point - a point where rather than try to fix the problem,
>>>>> good people simply leave, and the ability to fix the problem goes away.
>>>>> And good people are, it seems clear to me, leaving.  I still do not think
>>>>> the tipping point has been reached, though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At-Large Representative,
>>>>>
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: <travellingcircus at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
>>>>> To: "Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org" <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>, Independent
>>>>> Political Report <independent-political-report at googlegroups.com>, "
>>>>> iprtwo at googlegroups.com" <iprtwo at googlegroups.com>, erin.adams at lp.org,
>>>>> Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>, Joshua Katz <
>>>>> joshua.katz at lp.org>, David Demarest <David.Demarest at lp.org>, Daniel
>>>>> Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org>, Ed Marsh <ednmax at yahoo.com>, Steven
>>>>> Nekhaila <Steven.Nekhaila at gmail.com>, Starchild <
>>>>> sfdreamer at earthlink.net>, Paul Stanton <paul at stanton.name>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm writing to LNC members who commented in this thread plus Whitney
>>>>> as my rep, IPR teamCCed for background, and Paul Stanton CCed. If any of
>>>>> the LNC members copied feel it's worth sharing with the rest of LNC please
>>>>> do so. If not, my feelings won't be hurt either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not going to comment on what if anything LNC should do, just lay
>>>>> out the facts as I know them,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just before Paul Stanton resigned from LPF exec comm he submitted the
>>>>> following to that body (see links embedded in original):
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/lpfec/7Ii6WazfTGo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tonight's motion 520 is mainly regarding threats and advocacy of
>>>>> violence against me and others, including a current US Senate candidate and
>>>>> former rules chair of the Libertarian Party of Miami-Dade.  Additionally,
>>>>> he is a leader in a white supremacist group, the American Guard
>>>>> <http://adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>,
>>>>> a spin-off group of the violent anti-immigrant Sons of Odin - founded by Brien
>>>>> James
>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/brien-james> (who
>>>>> also founded the Vinlanders - a Neo-Nazi group responsible for dozens of
>>>>> murders).  The crossed cleavers in their shield is a reference to 19th century
>>>>> anti-immigrant gang leader, Bill the Butcher
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Poole> - an advocacy of
>>>>> violence against immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan Ramsey himself covers white nationalist "Rock Against Communism
>>>>> <https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism>" bands like S
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>crewdriver
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>, and advocates for Operation
>>>>> Werewolf <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf>.  He has called the
>>>>> LNC Chair Nick Sarwark "Nazi Nick," citing Nick's Jewish religion, then
>>>>> blaming people "disingenuous political leaders like Nick Sarwark" for the
>>>>> rise of the Nazi Party and ultimately the Holocaust.
>>>>> <http://archive.is/EMZPY>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are some links which I will be referencing tonight at the meeting:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/%3Cbr+/%3E>
>>>>> https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists
>>>>> http://libertarianheathen.com
>>>>> http://archive.is/t5jC7
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottom line, I am sick of seeing threats of violence against good
>>>>> Libertarians, and others disassociating in disgust over the intimidation
>>>>> tactics, dehumanization, and white supremacist rhetoric being employed by
>>>>> leaders within our party.  If we allow one of our leaders to threaten our
>>>>> membership while having the ability to stop it, voters and donors have no
>>>>> reason to take our party seriously, as we clearly do not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The delegates very clearly gave us the ability to remove people from
>>>>> the EC for violation of the non-aggression pledge.  Tonight we must decide
>>>>> if we will take that task seriously or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In liberty,
>>>>> *Paul Stanton*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Folowup message: *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [          ]
>>>>>
>>>>> Info about the 1930s German Nazi history book that Ryan Ramsey took
>>>>> his meme from:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://spartacus-educational.com/Jewish_Children.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankel: I can also attest to the threats coming from Ramsey, his
>>>>> former close associate Augustus Invictus and others in their circle.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Back in April of this year, on a tip from IPR site owner Warren
>>>>> Redlich, I published
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/police-report-augustus-invictus-accused-of-domestic-violence-sexual-assault-kidnapping/
>>>>> detailing that Mr. Invictus' ex-fiancee made these very serious allegations
>>>>> against him. I confirmed with the police department in question that the
>>>>> referenced report had in fact been filed. I made no comment in the article
>>>>> about the truth or falsehood of the allegations. Any comments of opinions I
>>>>> made in the comment section on the same basis as any of our other readers
>>>>> and clearly marked as opinion. Notably, the complaintant and associate of
>>>>> hers also reported death threats at the time from Invictus and Ramsey, who
>>>>> have since then (very recently) had a falling out. Witness tampering was
>>>>> also one of the allegations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I also *republished*
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/
>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/>
>>>>> (note that the original and its website were taken down so the images no
>>>>> longer appear; scroll down to see the section about Ryan Ramsey as the last
>>>>> part of the article).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As a response, 1) Augustus Invictus wrote me and Warren Redlich,
>>>>> insinuating possible legal action and hinting at other forms of
>>>>> retaliation; he later wrote another former associate of his, Raquel Okyay,
>>>>> which was later forwarded to me, naming me as one of the people he plans to
>>>>> take some form of unspecified revenge on.   2) Ryan Ramsey published two
>>>>> articles filled with outright lies and slanderous fictions about me,
>>>>> Redlich, and others alleging some grand conspiracy . You can find them at
>>>>> libertarianheathen.com with a search for Frankel. Ramsey and his
>>>>> associates continually spread this crap on FB and probably elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://libertarianheathen.com/?s=frankel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The slanderous lies from Ramsey were tit for tat retaliation – he said
>>>>> so himself, and offered a reciprocal unpublishing – because I reported the
>>>>> news that his then buddy Augustus Invictus, one of the Charlottesville
>>>>> organizers, had been accused of a pattern of domestic violence, kidnapping
>>>>> and rape by his ex-fiancee. I was simply reporting the news, not taking a
>>>>> stance, except in the comments; and even there I was careful to separate
>>>>> what I knew to be fact from my opinion and what others alleged.
>>>>> Furthermore, I reposted accurate reporting about Ryan Ramsey and his
>>>>> associates previously published elsewhere. His response was to
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Publish lies about me, Warren Redlich and IPR, linked above
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Offer to take them down if we took down our own reporting
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Threaten to sic law enforcement on me for supposedly being a
>>>>> terrorist and threatening his wife, none of which is even remotely true.
>>>>> Specifically, he said he had contacted the Florida Department of Law
>>>>> Enforcement electronic crimes division and was planning to meet with the
>>>>> FBI and tell them that I am a terrorist (a preposterous lie) and that I
>>>>> threatened his then pregnant wife (another absurd fiction).
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) His pal Invictus broached the possibility of suing us (but said he
>>>>> wasn’t doing that, at least at that time)
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) Invictus later issued a non-specific threat against me and a few
>>>>> other people saying we will “get what is coming to us.” Among many other
>>>>> people he and his associates have threatened.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan Ramsey’s article is in fact full of attacks, slander and lies.
>>>>> Looking at just the headline alone: I am not editor in chief at IPR and in
>>>>> fact there is no such position. I am not a terrorist, and that is a
>>>>> slanderous claim. Moving beyond the headline I address numerous inaccurate
>>>>> statements, slanders, libel and downright lies in Ramsey’s article in a
>>>>> series of comments starting at
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-write-open-letter-to-lnc-starchild-responds/#comment-1581189 and
>>>>> continuing over a couple of dozen comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> To take one egregious example, Ramsey continually asserts that I had
>>>>> something to do with killing a dog. I did not, and while he is not the
>>>>> first person to spread this lie it is nevertheless a lie and he is not
>>>>> repeating it as a statement by someone else but rather as something he
>>>>> knows to be true, unlike the statements about him by others that I have
>>>>> published. There are many similar falsehoods throughout the article which I
>>>>> addressed in IPR comments.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Others who have been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and friends
>>>>> include *Tom Knapp *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1636145
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *"**To date, twice when the AI combination pity party / threat
>>>>> machine got cranked up and I was involved in direct back and forth, I
>>>>> escalated from Condition Yellow to Condition Orange. This involves, among
>>>>> other things, making my family aware of a possible threat, ensuring that at
>>>>> least one person in the household in addition to myself has a loaded
>>>>> firearm near to hand at all times, and paying special attention to street
>>>>> traffic in my neighborhood (which is very low traffic so anything unusual
>>>>> stands out, and I have a nearby neighbor who knows to call if anything
>>>>> looks suspicious as well). "*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankel again) The email I was forwarded from Invictus says in part
>>>>> *"**Stanton, Tesky, Wyllie, Marchetti, and Frankel **are all directly
>>>>> responsible for that, because the babysitter called the police based off
>>>>> the bullshit criminal allegations being pushed by those five. It was the
>>>>> ‘news’ story that caused the babysitter to call the police. Fourth and
>>>>> final: It never crossed my mind that Joe (Wendt) had anything to do with
>>>>> that, but if I find out that he was involved with Stanton or Tesky or
>>>>> Marchetti in pushing those criminal allegations, I will hang him with my
>>>>> own fucking hands. That entire situation is something so outrageous that I
>>>>> am not even discussing it. Each and every person who was involved or had
>>>>> knowledge of it will get what is coming to them.**"*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And in fact, all of the people named, myself included, are among many
>>>>> others who have reported being threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and their
>>>>> circle of associates. Ramsey is still neck deep in it even now that
>>>>> Invictus has become a Republican.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ramsey is allegedly gloating about Stanton's resignation in these
>>>>> facebook groups, among others:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kekistan
>>>>>
>>>>> The Right Way: No Cucks, Only Kek
>>>>>
>>>>> Republic of Kekistan
>>>>>
>>>>> @The Deplorables and Basement Dwellers for Trump
>>>>>
>>>>> Anti-SJW
>>>>>
>>>>> Anti-SJW Pinochet's Beach Party
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The ex-fiancee of Invictus, Ms. Rice, and her friend Ms. Brown along
>>>>> with others they knew also reported being threatened and intimidated by
>>>>> Invictus, Ramsey et al.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/joe-wendt-for-us-senate-new-lp-of-florida-chair-undermines-libertarian-principles-in-favor-of-white-nationalists/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ....
>>>>>
>>>>> *Libertarian Party Candidate for U.S. Senate, Joe Wendt, condemns LPF
>>>>> Chair, Marcos Miralles, for pursuing a policy that promotes white
>>>>> nationalists within the Libertarian Party of Florida. “Mr. Miralles has
>>>>> appointed known white nationalists to leadership positions.”*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *...*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *“I have been threatened with physical violence by white nationalist
>>>>> supporters of Miralles,” said Wendt. “*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://goog_1698321734/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/
>>>>> see embedded links in original"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *We are losing good members, and the trust of the public, due to the
>>>>> elevation of leaders in extremist hate groups to our party leadership.  We
>>>>> need a new approach.  Local libertarian-leaning politicians and voters
>>>>> associate us with far-right extremists.  As of yesterday, my county no
>>>>> longer has a full slate of candidates for the Florida House.   One of the
>>>>> Libertarian candidates I drafted will now unfortunately be running NPA.
>>>>> Yesterday, we also lost our incoming Rules Committee chair.  Previously,
>>>>> both our former gubernatorial nominee and our senatorial nominee (prior to
>>>>> me) have resigned their LPF memberships, among countless other Libertarian
>>>>> activists and volunteers.  A member of my 2016 Senate campaign ended her
>>>>> participation with the party, because her employer forbids associations
>>>>> with members of extremist hate groups advocating for violence. A single
>>>>> friend (who ceased her participation after receiving death threats) has
>>>>> reported that no fewer than 30 of her acquaintances have withdrawn from
>>>>> Libertarian Party activism due to risks to themselves and their
>>>>> reputations.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *During my US Senate campaign, I never expected the situation that
>>>>> unfolded.  I expected the personal attacks, but I never expected racist
>>>>> fantasies about my mother, posting of personal information about members of
>>>>> my family, or the violent threats and sexual harassment targeting my
>>>>> supporters and members of my campaign.  Last month, after I introduced a
>>>>> motion (which was killed) to remove Florida’s member of the Libertarian
>>>>> Party Platform Committee for his racist statements
>>>>> <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racist_is_a_code_word_for_anti-white#.22The_mantra.22>,
>>>>> I was accused of wanting to kill all white people, in a “white genocide
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory>”
>>>>> conspiracy theory.  And now today, there have been threats that
>>>>> the militant <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers_of_Odin> hate
>>>>> <http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/who-are-the-american-guard-patriotic-nationalists-or-skinheads-in-disguise> group
>>>>> <https://godsandradicals.org/2017/03/18/heathen-know-nothings-the-american-guard/> the
>>>>> <http://forward.com/fast-forward/368055/white-supremacists-and-skinheads-join-pro-trump-rally/> American
>>>>> Guard
>>>>> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>may
>>>>> be waiting for me in the parking lot, or harassing county party meetings.
>>>>> We must have higher standards for our party leadership!*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sadly, these are common intimidation tactics among white
>>>>> nationalists, and there are several other victims throughout Florida.  This
>>>>> behavior cannot be accepted.  We cannot continue to elevate these people.
>>>>> Libertarianism stands for maximum freedom for everyone, universally. We
>>>>> dishonor ourselves and our party by enabling liars with wildly divergent
>>>>> philosophies, who stand immediately adjacent to neo-Nazis
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_(United_States)>, white
>>>>> nationalists
>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/vinlanders-social-club>, fascists
>>>>> <https://johnmhudak.com/2017/07/16/rise-of-the-anarcho-statists-part-iii-augustus-sol-invictus-the-unconquerable-sun-god/>,organized
>>>>> criminal syndicates
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaws_Motorcycle_Club>, and domestic
>>>>> terrorists <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Front>.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From the comments:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.     *Starchild <http://www.openborders.info/>**July 22, 2017 at
>>>>> 09:26*
>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634719>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Joe, do you know which individuals were shouting “white power” at the
>>>>> state convention? Is there video evidence of this? I would hope those
>>>>> individuals are identified and ostracized, and that other Libertarians will
>>>>> make clear to them that there is no room for such racism in the LP. That is
>>>>> not what we are about. If individuals who seek to act in such a manner
>>>>> leave the party, that is not a loss for us but a gain.*
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.     *Joe Wendt**July 22, 2017 at 12:10*
>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634766>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Starchild,*
>>>>>
>>>>> *The individuals in question are supports of the current LPF Chair.
>>>>> Although Augustus Invictus, the most prominent of the White Nationalists,
>>>>> has left the party, unfortunately other less prominent White Nationalists
>>>>> are not [only -p] remaining active in the LPF, the Chair is actually giving
>>>>> them positions of authority.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Screenshot of Ramsey threatening to knock Wendt’s teeth out and
>>>>> saying he may have an “accident”*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/received_10159060778305274.png
>>>>>
>>>>> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at 12:04
>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635134>
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, it’s not about Joe.* Yes Ramsey threatened Joe, but he also
>>>>> threatened many other people, as has Invictus and their other buddies.
>>>>> There are numerous sources for that, including me. *Yes, Ramsey has
>>>>> spread bullshit about me. I think he is still doing it although I haven’t
>>>>> checked lately. Did he know it to be false or did he just repeat what other
>>>>> people said? Well, he couldn’t have known it to be true since it was not
>>>>> true and he did not say “so and so says” he just repeated things as if they
>>>>> were facts and added new ones such as the bullshit about me being a
>>>>> terrorist and member of a terrorist groups and the bullshit about me making
>>>>> threats against his wife. And again, *these are just examples just as
>>>>> the other examples in Stanton’s article are only examples.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *The real issue is that there is an ongoing pattern as reported by
>>>>> many different people of Invictus, Ramsey and their circle of friends
>>>>> issuing threats, spreading lies .. to and about many different people ..
>>>>> and maintaining ongoing close associations with multiple white supremacist
>>>>> groups and violent groups and individuals.*
>>>>>
>>>>> ....
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ramsey says “You were awful meek last night punk. Ill see you soon
>>>>> though and well see how mouthy you are”* which is clearly physical
>>>>> intimidation. Joe is talking shit on the internet but Ramsey says he will
>>>>> not do it in person. Why not? Clearly due to threat of physical violence.
>>>>> Ramsey follows this up with *“Id be more concerned with the teeth in
>>>>> your mouth at this point joe. Your dental plan good?” *which in the
>>>>> context of his earlier statement is not exactly a very veiled threat. If he
>>>>> was genuinely concerned about Joe slipping and falling due to being drunk,
>>>>> which is laughable in the context of the conversation, he would not have
>>>>> made the threat so specific.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the larger context of course is that there have been many other
>>>>> threats, to many other people, myself as well as this publication (IPR)
>>>>> included.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe WendtJuly 23, 2017 at 13:55
>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635174>
>>>>>
>>>>> *To Andy,*
>>>>>
>>>>> *I have contacted the police. Since it has not progressed beyond
>>>>> Facebook, they told me to block him and contact them again if he continues
>>>>> the harassing and threatening behavior. They will be called if he threatens
>>>>> me again.*
>>>>>
>>>>> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at 14:19
>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635179>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Also, if all of these if all of these violent threats have been made,
>>>>> why hasn’t anyone gone to jail? Has anyone even gotten a restraining order?*
>>>>>
>>>>> Don’t be naive. Threats are not always made in a verifiable, provable
>>>>> form. I’ve received plenty of threats over the years, including death
>>>>> threats, and I have never felt the urge to go to the cops about it. What
>>>>> the fuck are they going to do? While they conduct their half assed
>>>>> investigation I may get killed or injured or whatever else. Or someone else
>>>>> around me.
>>>>>
>>>>> And one of the people that has been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and
>>>>> friends made a good point. This person said that Ramsey has known contacts
>>>>> in law enforcement and that there are known ties between many members of
>>>>> law enforcement and white supremacist groups such as the ones Ramsey and
>>>>> Invictus have a lot of ties to. So reporting anything to law enforcement
>>>>> may actually be cutting your own throat if you get threatened by these
>>>>> assholes.
>>>>>
>>>>> FL: Augustus Invictus campaigns in front of white nationalist skinhead
>>>>> music banner
>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/
>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
>>>>> Note: Ramsey also frequently associates with that same banner to this day.
>>>>> "Rock Against Communism" may sound like something that libertarians would
>>>>> agree with, but in reality it's a well-known neo-nazi front organization
>>>>> that no "former" white supremacist (as Ramsey claims to be) would have any
>>>>> association with.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism
>>>>>
>>>>> *The Rock Against Communism movement originated in the **United
>>>>> Kingdom <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>** in late 1978
>>>>> with **far right <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right>** activists
>>>>> associated with the **National Front
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Front>** (NF).**[4]
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** It
>>>>> was intended to counter the **Rock Against Racism
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism>** organisation.**[4]
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** The
>>>>> first RAC concert was in **Leeds
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds>**, **England
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>** in 1978, featuring the **Nazi
>>>>> punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_punk>** bands The Dentists
>>>>> and The Ventz.**[5]
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-5>** RAC
>>>>> held one concert in 1979 and another in spring 1983, which was headlined
>>>>> by **Skrewdriver <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>**, a **white
>>>>> power rock <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_rock>** band
>>>>> led by **Ian Stuart Donaldson
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stuart_Donaldson>**. After that,
>>>>> RAC concerts were held more often. They were often headlined by Skrewdriver
>>>>> and featured other white power bands, such as **Skullhead
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skullhead>** and **No Remorse
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Remorse_(band)>**. In the
>>>>> mid-1980s, summer concerts were often held at the **Suffolk
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk>** home of **Edgar Griffin
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Griffin>**, a **Conservative
>>>>> Party <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)>*
>>>>> * activist**[6]
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-6>** and
>>>>> father of **Nick Griffin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin>**,
>>>>> an NF organiser who later became the national chair of the **British
>>>>> National Party <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party>**.
>>>>> By the late 1980s, the RAC name had given way to the White Noise Club
>>>>> (another NF-based group), and later **Blood and Honour
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Honour>**, which was set up
>>>>> by **Donaldson <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaldson>** when they
>>>>> fell out with the NF leadership.**[4]
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>*
>>>>> * As **hardcore punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk>** music
>>>>> became more popular in the 1990s and 2000s, many white power bands took on
>>>>> a more hardcore-influenced sound.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that Ryan Ramsey continues to proudly wave the "Rock against
>>>>> communism" banner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Moulton: ‘LP conventions, avoid alt-right / white supremacist
>>>>> event speakers’
>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/
>>>>>
>>>>> More background:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/alexandria-brown-response-to-ryan-ramsey-and-timeline-of-events/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-rape-assault-kidnapping-and-witness-tampering-allegations-against-augustus-invictus/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-augustus-invictus-criminal-allegations-and-retraction-of-censure-from-florida-lp-possible-disaffiliation-by-lnc-floated/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/david-colborne-augustus-sol-invictus-is-not-welcome-in-my-state/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knppster-were-going-to-shut-it-down/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knapp-replace-lp-of-florida-exec-comm-and-bylaws/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/paul-stanton-lp-florida-chair-marcos-miralles-must-resign/
>>>>>  :
>>>>>
>>>>> *Marcos Miralles began his race for Chair of the LPF with the support
>>>>> of Augustus Sol Invictus
>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/augustus-sol-invictus-austin-gillespie>**and
>>>>> Ryan Ramsey, both leaders in white supremacist groups, including the
>>>>> American Guard
>>>>> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>**.
>>>>>  (The American Guard was one of the groups present in Charlottesville last
>>>>> weekend.
>>>>> <http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/indianapolis/indiana-american-guard-among-protestors-at-charlottesville-unite-the-right-rally>**)
>>>>>  Invictus was also a featured speaker at the Charlottesville white
>>>>> supremacist rally.
>>>>> <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-augustus-invictus-charlottesville-20170814-story.html>**  The
>>>>> support has not been one-sided.  Last year, Marcos Miralles provided a town
>>>>> hall for Invictus
>>>>> <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article97524342.html>** (as
>>>>> part of a campaign to stir up drama during the primary), the pictures from
>>>>> which are still used by the Miami Herald to associate our party with
>>>>> Invictus <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article167083427.html>**.
>>>>> Additionally, he proudly displayed Ryan Ramsey’s endorsement on his website
>>>>> and appointed Ryan Ramsey <https://docs.lpf.org/meeting/july-16th-2017/>** to
>>>>> our Legislative Review Committee.  There is no place for white supremacy in
>>>>> the Libertarian Party of Florida.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Thankfully, there was a recent press release
>>>>> <https://lpf.org/2017/08/libertarian-party-florida-first-strongest-voice-hate-filled-groups/> condemning
>>>>> the events in Charlottesville.  Unfortunately, Marcos Miralles has refused
>>>>> to condemn the white supremacists within our party, or recant his previous
>>>>> support.  Instead, he insists that he will “work with everybody” and has
>>>>> dismissed worries about white supremacists using our party to support their
>>>>> platform as “non sense,” despite the support of the previously-mentioned
>>>>> Libertarians, and despite the Libertarian Party of Florida’s representative
>>>>> to the Libertarian Party platform committee, Frank Caprio.  Caprio
>>>>> regularly makes very racist comments, including quotes white
>>>>> supremacist Bob Whitaker
>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/06/07/bob-whitaker-author-racist-mantra-white-genocide-has-died>.
>>>>> I physically cringed when I read Marcos write: “The Libertarian Party of
>>>>> Florida will forever remain the safest home for all of those that fight for
>>>>> civil rights.”  As one of the Libertarian victims of violent threats and
>>>>> harassment (a Muslim mother of biracial children) stated, “The Libertarian
>>>>> Party was not a safe haven for me and many others like me.  It should be,
>>>>> by principle. […] But that’s not the present day reality.”  Sadly, she
>>>>> ended her participation with the party after concerns with the safety of
>>>>> her family. When she reached out to Miralles, she was ignored and blocked
>>>>> on social media.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/
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>>>>> *There were people yelling white power. Larry Sharpe went on an
>>>>> alt-right vlog by Ryan Ramsey called the Mad American Network. That group
>>>>> was with Invictus in Harrisburg, PA and at least one member, Dave Martel,
>>>>> was seen sieg heiling there. Invictus chased someone out of a courtesy
>>>>> suite with threats of violence. Invictus was then pushing Paul Stanton
>>>>> trying to pick a fight. There was loud applause of his speech where he
>>>>> hijacked our convention for five minutes, then just bragged about it…*
>>>>>
>>>>> *…our gubernatorial candidate denied Stanton a mic for a privileged
>>>>> motion, so that he could procedurally kill a pro-immigration platform plank
>>>>> without letting it be read.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Thomas Knapp lost an ad hoc election to the LP platform committee to
>>>>> a “constitutional conservative” who once told me, “anti-racist is code for
>>>>> anti-white,” Frank Caprio. He’s from the LP of Orange County (Orlando area,
>>>>> same as Invictus -p).*
>>>>> *Oh, and by the way – no pretend antifa protesters showed up, of
>>>>> course.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/09/paul-frankel-why-libertarians-need-to-denounce-the-alt-right-and-white-nationalists-and-dont-need-to-worry-about-libertarian-socialists-and-antifa/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/lsla-2017-physically-removed-so-to-speak-making-the-lp-inhospitable-to-the-alt-right-and-other-nazis/
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that's more than enough for now, but there's plenty more.
>>>>> Feel free to email or call 205-534-1622 <(205)%20534-1622> to
>>>>> discuss, and forward wherever or whenever you wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Frankel
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>>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:39 AM, <lnc-votes at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I also agree with Ed.
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>>>>> Caryn Ann, just to make it perfectly clear, I will support an
>>>>> investigative motion only if requested by someone in the Florida affiliate.
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>>>>> In the meantime, I will continue to disregard political correctness,
>>>>> speak out against mindless bigotry at every opportunity and encourage
>>>>> economic and social ostracism to cope with both supremacist violence and
>>>>> the moral wrong of non-violent ‘bake the cake’ intolerance. State-sponsored
>>>>> retaliatory violence is not the answer to intolerance and just leaves the
>>>>> door open for state-initiated repression that we Libertarians are supposed
>>>>> to be fighting against.
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>>>>> There is no place for bigotry in the LP and the Libertarianism
>>>>> movement, regardless of whether or not specific intolerant acts violate the
>>>>> Non-Aggression Principle.
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>>>>> Thoughts?
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>>>>>
>>>>> ~David Pratt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *May 25-27 2018 Omaha Roads to Freedom Un-Convention*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Freedom, Nothing More, Nothing Less*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>
>>>>> Roads to Freedom Foundation, Founder
>>>>>
>>>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>>>
>>>>> LSLA Vice-Chair
>>>>>
>>>>> LPNE State Central Committee, Secretary
>>>>>
>>>>> LPRC Board Member, Nebraska State Coordinator
>>>>>
>>>>> David.Demarest at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Secretary at LPNE.org
>>>>>
>>>>> DPDemarest at centurylink.net
>>>>>
>>>>> DPrattDemarest at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>>>>
>>>>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:17 AM
>>>>> *To:* ednmax at yahoo.com
>>>>> *Cc:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org; lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

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