[Lnc-business] Motion to suspend Arvin Vohra

Joshua Katz planning4liberty at gmail.com
Sun Jan 14 17:57:48 EST 2018


Considering the time and digital ink that has been spilled, I will join in
a call for an electronic meeting.  This is the second time this has been
proposed; let's have a full consideration and reach a decision.

Joshua A. Katz


On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Elizabeth on reflection I think there are some flaws here.  I was getting
> ready to email my state chairs about whether or not to co-sponsor at a
> minimum but there is not enough information.  That section of the Bylaws is
> "for cause."    I know what my reasons are but they are not everyone's, and
> I would not put my name to something that might affirm something I do not
> (such supporting the current state of consent laws or fixing the LNC on a
> position within that contentious subject on which Libertarians disagree).
> My concerns are behaviour and judgment.
>
> I also think this too weighty for an email.
>
> IMHO a meeting should be called.  And the motion IMHO is defective without
> the cause.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 12:19 PM, <trent.somes at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-14 14:04, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>>> I find it very sad that a colleague has brought us to this place with
>>> his repeated utter lack of judgment.
>>>
>>> I do not have my requisite Region 1 support at this time - Region 1 in
>>> the past had no use for National and I worked my ass to change that.
>>> Thanks to the incredibly destructive acts of our VC that work is
>>> crumbling.
>>>
>>> If it were solely up to me I would co-sponsor and vote yes.  But I am
>>> a representative.
>>>
>>> God help me, if I were ever this utterly destructive to an
>>> organization that I would realize this isn’t about me and my
>>> edgelordiness and step down.
>>>
>>> Despite the opinion of others or the narrative put forth by Arvin, for
>>> me, this isn’t some moderate squeamishness about Principles.  I hold
>>> them - and though I think his understanding of how they apply to young
>>> people is shallow- that isn’t the issue.  It is conduct and behavior
>>> repeatedly unbecoming a leader.  It is not just this incident, it is a
>>> repeated pattern and refusal to be able to work on a shared vision
>>> that requires utter selfishness to be put aside.
>>>
>>> Things move slow in Region 1 and I don’t even expect full answers in
>>> this short time frame.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:54 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:12 AM <steven.nekhaila at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>> Coming from a State which has been targeted due to individuals
>>>>> within
>>>>> and experienced considerable flack for years despite the great
>>>>> work we
>>>>> have accomplished, my advice to this body is to not give in to the
>>>>> lynch
>>>>> mobs demands, as I do not believe our policies even give us an
>>>>> avenue to
>>>>> act, but instead to encourage those who want to change party
>>>>> leadership
>>>>> to participate in the 2018 Libertarian National Convention and
>>>>> elect the
>>>>> leadership they would like to see in charge. The leadership is a
>>>>> reflection of the memberships will, if the membership wills to see
>>>>> a
>>>>> regime change that is their right, and the most effective way of
>>>>> carrying that out is to book accommodations to be at the
>>>>> convention of
>>>>> the greatest political party in the United States of America and
>>>>> be a
>>>>> part of crafting the future of US politics and culture. That
>>>>> should be
>>>>> our only response, it is also the most genuine and effective way
>>>>> for
>>>>> anyone who wants leadership change to achieve it. Turning our
>>>>> muzzles at
>>>>> each other is not the answer and quite frankly our bylaws do not
>>>>> allow
>>>>> it (to my knowledge), and even if it did I would not recommend it.
>>>>> We
>>>>> must stay united and move business forward until convention,
>>>>> encourage
>>>>> participation in the 2018 convention, and stick to our mission.
>>>>> Everything is else will end up in futility and that is not what
>>>>> this
>>>>> body wants.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>>>> Region 2 Rep Alternate
>>>>>
>>>>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>>>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-01-14 10:13 AM, Patrick McKnight wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Elizabeth. I will co-sponsor this motion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>>>> Region 8 Rep
>>>>>> Chair, NJLP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 9:17 AM, "Daniel Hayes" <daniel.hayes at lp.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reality is that people choose to quit.  Arvin doesn’t
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> make
>>>>>
>>>>>> them quit. Personal responsibility and all.  He sure is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> encouraging
>>>>>
>>>>>> the hell out of them though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I sure wish those 50 people got this pissed off at Ohio State
>>>>>>> Government.  It probably would have save us $100,000
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:07 AM, Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna at lp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The possibility and reality that he HAS made people quit is why
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>> support this motion. That and the 50 or so Ohio members who are
>>>>>>> completely disgusted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dustin Nanna
>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Ohio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (740) 816-9805 [1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 9:05 AM, Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna at lp.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Motion, not amendment. Typo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dustin Nanna
>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Ohio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (740) 816-9805 [1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 9:04 AM, Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Louisiana, we have been through some legendary infighting.
>>>>>>> We’ve seen the wear and tear it puts on people and the
>>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We had a SCC meeting yesterday and I brought the subject of
>>>>>>> Arvin’s latest statement up and asked if we wanted to create
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>> response.  The “No” was palpable.  We discussed it further
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> everybody seemed to think that with the convention 5 1/2 months
>>>>>>> away, allowing the delegates to handle it by not voting for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arvin if
>>>>>
>>>>>> he runs again was the way it should be handled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suspect that after a 3 year period of grievances and attempts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> remove people we maybe have a different perspective than others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What we learned the hard way was the infighting/attempts at
>>>>>>> discipline was probably much more destructive than anything
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> anybody
>>>>>
>>>>>> actually did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see a LOT of opportunistic and hypocritical behavior going on
>>>>>>> relative to Arvin.  I find those people whipping up the mob to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>> the bigger problem.  I think a lot of it likely violates the LP
>>>>>>> “Pledge”.  Attempting to use “force” for political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> gain.  I
>>>>>
>>>>>> don’t mean people don’t have a right to be upset. I just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> find it
>>>>>
>>>>>> curious that people that seem to think everyone should have a
>>>>>>> platform coming out against Arvin, or groups that advocate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> against
>>>>>
>>>>>> age of consent laws doing the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am also disturbed but not surprised by the lynch mob calling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arvin
>>>>>
>>>>>> a pedophile/pro-pedophile when he has very clearly stated he
>>>>>>> definitively opposes pedophilia. This more so applies to people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>> know the distinctions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All that said, I am bothered by what seems to be Arvin’s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> desire
>>>>>
>>>>>> to “purge” the party of the impure.  The possibility that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> he is
>>>>>
>>>>>> trying to get people to quit is the bigger issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 7:28 AM, David Demarest
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <david.demerest at lp.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first stone has been cast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This motion is not about ideology. It is about the crass
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> politics of
>>>>>
>>>>>> avoiding scaring voters in order to get elected to top-down
>>>>>>> authoritarian positions and hiding the dictates of one's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> conscience
>>>>>
>>>>>> 'between the sheets' instead courageously proclaiming one's
>>>>>>> convictions 'on the streets'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This motion will sort out those who have political, ideological
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> moral courage. We will soon see whether the LNC chooses to
>>>>>>> differentiate the Libertarian Party from the Republican and
>>>>>>> Democratic parties. The future of the LP could be in the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> balance.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will expressly NOT co-sponsor this motion. If it comes to a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> vote,
>>>>>
>>>>>> I will proudly, publicly, and emphatically vote "NO"!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who among you is willing to cast the second stone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 4:52 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I make a motion to suspend Arvin Vohra from his position as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vice
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chair under Article 6, Section 7 of our Bylaws.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> _______________________________
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Three of the four state affiliate chairs in Region 3 are now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> backing
>>>>>
>>>>>> this motion. I told Region 3 that I'd need at least 3/4 of the
>>>>>>> region in accord to make the motion to suspend Arvin.  That
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> percent
>>>>>
>>>>>> was reached last night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I volunteered my time and energy to be a Regional Rep on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> LNC, I didn't do it under the circumstances of, "only if
>>>>>>> convenient".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm doing this because I care about giving a voice to the many
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> LP
>>>>>
>>>>>> members who are running for office, getting out the vote, and
>>>>>>> spending their hard-earned money working toward electing
>>>>>>> libertarians.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are the people that make up the Libertarian Party. It is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> their
>>>>>
>>>>>> voice that I represent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, it is with calm resolve that I make this motion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>>>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>>>>>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>>>>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>>>>>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>> If I could co-sponsor, I absolutely would. I've been contacted by more
>> constituents about this issue than any other issue since I started this
>> job. Thank you for putting this forward.
>>
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