[Lnc-business] What is Arvin Vohra saying?

Arvin Vohra votevohra at gmail.com
Mon Jan 15 01:33:01 EST 2018


As I asked on facebook: I was trying to use your suggestion without
plagiarizing. I can remove the post or remove the tag, whichever you prefer.

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Arvin Vohra-
>
> You are a shameless user of people.  If the rest of the LNC doesn't know,
> he took a snippet of the above, posted it on his wall to make it seem like
> I SUPPORTED HIM.  That is a low unethical thing to do.   You should be
> ashamed of yourself.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Alicia.  I think there are varied opinions on some of the posts
>> and others there is a consensus were just irrationally reckless for a
>> leader to make.
>>
>> This isn't a censoring of opinion, but an expectation on leaders.
>>
>> One of the statements would read to people "I would rather someone be
>> molested by a an adult male predator with a good job than some starry-eyed
>> classmate having his first ill-advised venture into intimate relationships
>> because it is cheaper for me."  No leader should NOT see how that would be
>> taken.  That doesn't even need to get into whether or not anyone agrees
>> with current age of consent laws or who should be the "investigating
>> authority."  It isn't for saying something "too Libertarian."  It is for
>> being callous and reckless and the cutesy background just makes it
>> horrifying.
>>
>> Another is equating acceptable of adult men with a consensual
>> relationship to a teen and an adult man (ala Roy Moore) - why choose gay
>> men with the implication that perhaps people should view that as unnatural
>> - why be so insultingly inflammatory when gay men are often accused of
>> being predators by the right?  Why feed into a fear stereotype?  Notice.
>> None of that there is being "too Libertarian" it is being obnoxious and
>> insulting - just like we critique Trump.
>>
>> Another is saying he would "probably" not have a romantic relationship
>> with a 14 year old.  How any leader could not see that an educator saying
>> that comes off as a creepy uncle vibe and will be the birth of a million
>> memes (which it has) with the Libertarian Party name on it, has horrid
>> judgment.
>>
>> Another is saying that a relationship between a 60 year old and a 14 year
>> old is EXACTLY THE SAME as two 14 year olds.  It isn't that it "might be
>> the same" etc but that it blanket is.
>>
>> And lastly, there is a huge implication that culture and families are
>> right.  Well there are cultures and families that auction off child
>> brides.  A leader should know that it requires a lot more nuance than
>> that.  How about this?  When are people ready for adult responsibilities,
>> including with their bodies?  When they are mature enough to consent with
>> the ability to take responsibility.  This isn't always the same for all
>> people, so judgments must be made.  Who best knows the people in order to
>> judge if they meet those moral qualifications?  Do you think the state is?
>>
>> SEE?  I made the argument in a reasonable way that connected the dots.
>> Just saying "culture and family" without any moral qualifications leads to
>> atrocities JUST like arbitrary laws have caused atrocities.
>>
>> Leaders need to know when dealing with things such as this - children are
>> the heart of people heart's - they will kill for their children - that
>> cavalier FB snipes are just not appropriate.  Perhaps social media is NOT
>> the place at all.  A leader would know that this would strike a nerve with
>> people who know that many young people are assualted by adults they know -
>> including parents.
>>
>> So I want to put to rest the martyr syndrome that this is about being
>> "too Libertarian."  I hold the same radical anarchist credibility cards
>> that Arvin does.  I have no issue with saying Libertarian things. Just
>> being allegedly "right" is NOT ENOUGH.  We are stewards of a LEGACY, this
>> isn't our personal doodle board.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not all LNC members use Facebook, and even the ones who do may not spend
>>> the time to dig through all the comments to see what exactly is or isn't
>>> being said by Arvin Vohra on the topic of the day.
>>>
>>> Attached is a PDF comprised of posts from his Facebook page so you can
>>> actually know what the complaints are about.  There may be other posts on
>>> other pages, but I only looked at his page.
>>>
>>> I didn't cherry pick a phrase here and there.  No one can reasonably say
>>> I am pulling things out of context.  These are entire posts over several
>>> days so you can decide for yourself what he is or isn't saying.
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
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