[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension of Arvin Vohra

Whitney Bilyeu whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
Wed Apr 4 21:57:31 EDT 2018


I vote YES.

Whitney Bilyeu


On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt) <
alex.merced at lp.org> wrote:

> To be clear, I vote yes
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 4, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >   What you've written is false. The joke I made, and admitted was in poor
> >   taste, was about attacking a government agency with violence. The
> >   "rant" to which you are referring indicates that the Second Amendment
> >   is to protect us from government.
> >   Perhaps you believe the Second Amendment is about hunting licenses.
> >   However, I do not believe that I am the only person in the LP, or on
> >   the LNC, who believes that the Second Amendment is there to protect us
> >   from government.
> >   If the LNC wants to make a statement that the second amendment is not
> >   about protecting ourselves from the state, then you wouldn't need this
> >   rigamarole. I'd resign from any organization that thought that.
> >   However, I strongly doubt that the majority on the LNC, or anyone on
> >   the LNC for that matter, believes that gun rights are not about
> >   protecting ourselves from the state.
> >   -Arvin
> >
> >   On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >   <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >        Nailed. It.
> >
> >      On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:32 AM Justin O'Donnell
> >      <[1][2]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
> >           Arvin,
> >           You expressed a dishonest apology. “I’m Sorry, but….” Is a
> >           rationalization, not an apology. You deflected the issue at
> >   hand
> >        and
> >           launched into accusations of your own that everyone who was
> >   upset
> >        with
> >           your “joke” wasn’t Libertarian enough to have an opinion.
> >           You said “I don’t support actually shooting up a school board”
> >        but then
> >           went on a rant justifying why someone should be ok with such a
> >        course
> >           of action. As I explained when I cast my vote, it wasn’t simply
> >        your
> >           comment that led me to vote in favor of the motion at hand, but
> >        rather
> >           your response to it, and lack of a sincere apology.
> >           You have displayed a persistent inability to accept
> >        accountability for
> >           the wrong in what you’ve said, and refuse to acknowledge the
> >        gravity of
> >           your position and how personal posts make in public
> >   environments
> >           reflect on the organization simply due to the position you are
> >        in. Face
> >           the facts Arvin, as Vice Chair of this organization, you ARE a
> >        public
> >           figure, and everything you say, whether personal or political
> >        reflects
> >           upon this organization, and that is something that needs to be
> >           inherently understood by everyone aiming to serve in any
> >   capacity
> >        of
> >           leadership.
> >           In the past I have consistently defended the morality and
> >        principles
> >           behind your statements, even if you lacked the tact to express
> >        those
> >           opinions in an amicable manner yourself. However, your
> >        narcissistic and
> >           audacious purism is dangerous and hindering the growth of this
> >        party,
> >           and any actual advancement towards Liberty in our Lifetimes.
> >   How
> >        you
> >           say things is often much more important than what you say. It
> >   is
> >           perfectly possible to express radical opinions and beliefs in a
> >        manner
> >           that encourages independent thought rather than backlash. If
> >   your
> >           intent is to grow this party, and advance this movement, then I
> >        suggest
> >           you sincerely take a reprieve to learn a thing or two about
> >        marketing
> >           and communication, and how to reach people outside your own
> >   echo
> >           chamber.
> >           Justin O’Donnell
> >           LNC Region 8 (ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, NY, NJ)
> >           Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
> >           From: [2]Arvin Vohra
> >           Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 1:10 PM
> >
> >             To: [3][2][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >             Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension
> >     of
> >          Arvin
> >             Vohra
> >             Since some were not able to see the facebook live video, I
> >          uploaded the
> >             video to youtube. This is the original video, unaltered.
> >             Given that we have at least one LNC member saying that I
> >     never
> >             apologized,
> >             I would like to correct the record:
> >             [3][4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=
> >     youtu.be
> >             On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Steve Scheetz
> >          <[4][5]steve.scheetz at lp.org>
> >             wrote:
> >> I was informed that what I said could be misinterpreted as
> >     not
> >             voting.
> >>
> >> I vote yes.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve Scheetz
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >
> >> From: Lnc-business [mailto:[5][6]lnc-business-
> >   bounces at hq.lp.org]
> >        On Behalf
> >           Of
> >> Alicia Mattson
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 2:16 AM
> >> To: Libertarian National Committee list
> >> Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension of
> >        Arvin
> >           Vohra
> >>
> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>
> >>
> >> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by April 12, 2018 at
> >           11:59:59pm
> >> Pacific time.*
> >> *Co-Sponsors:*  Harlos, Van Horn, Katz, Hayes, Goldstein,
> >        Redpath,
> >           Hewitt,
> >> O'Donnell
> >>
> >> *Motion:*
> >>
> >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of
> >        force as
> >           its
> >> cardinal principle and requires each of its members certify
> >        that they
> >> neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve
> >        political or
> >           social
> >> goals.
> >>
> >> RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends
> >        Arvin
> >           Vohra
> >> from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated
> >           unacceptable
> >> conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian Party
> >        into
> >           disrepute,
> >> including making and defending a statement advocating lethal
> >        violence
> >> against state employees who are not directly threatening
> >        imminent
> >           physical
> >> harm. Such action is in violation of our membership pledge.
> >        These
> >           actions
> >> further endanger the survival of our movement and the
> >   security
> >        of all
> >           of
> >> our members without their consent.
> >>
> >> -Alicia
> >>
> >>
> >           --
> >           Arvin Vohra
> >
> >             [6][7]www.VoteVohra.com
> >             [7][8]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> >             (301) 320-3634
> >          References
> >             1. [8][9]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> >             2. mailto:[9][10]votevohra at gmail.com
> >             3. mailto:[10][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >        --
> >        --
> >        In Liberty,
> >        Caryn Ann Harlos
> >        Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >        Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> >     Washington)
> >        - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >        Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >        We defend your rights
> >        And oppose the use of force
> >        Taxation is theft
> >     References
> >        1. mailto:[12]justin.odonnell at lp.org
> >        2. mailto:[13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >        3. [14]https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> >     v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
> >        4. mailto:[15]steve.scheetz at lp.org
> >        5. mailto:[16]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> >        6. [17]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> >        7. mailto:[18]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> >        8. [19]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> >        9. mailto:[20]votevohra at gmail.com
> >       10. mailto:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >       11. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >       12. [23]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >
> >   --
> >   Arvin Vohra
> >   [24]www.VoteVohra.com
> >   [25]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> >   (301) 320-3634
> >
> > References
> >
> >   1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >   2. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> >   3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >   4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
> >   5. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
> >   6. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> >   7. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> >   8. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> >   9. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> >  10. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
> >  11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  12. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> >  13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  14. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
> >  15. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
> >  16. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> >  17. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> >  18. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> >  19. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> >  20. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
> >  21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  22. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >  23. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >  24. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> >  25. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>
>
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   I vote YES.
   Whitney Bilyeu

   On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt)
   <[1]alex.merced at lp.org> wrote:

     To be clear, I vote yes
     Sent from my iPhone

   > On Apr 4, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Arvin Vohra <[2]votevohra at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >   What you've written is false. The joke I made, and admitted was in
   poor
   >   taste, was about attacking a government agency with violence. The
   >   "rant" to which you are referring indicates that the Second
   Amendment
   >   is to protect us from government.
   >   Perhaps you believe the Second Amendment is about hunting licenses.
   >   However, I do not believe that I am the only person in the LP, or
   on
   >   the LNC, who believes that the Second Amendment is there to protect
   us
   >   from government.
   >   If the LNC wants to make a statement that the second amendment is
   not
   >   about protecting ourselves from the state, then you wouldn't need
   this
   >   rigamarole. I'd resign from any organization that thought that.
   >   However, I strongly doubt that the majority on the LNC, or anyone
   on
   >   the LNC for that matter, believes that gun rights are not about
   >   protecting ourselves from the state.
   >   -Arvin
   >
   >   On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
   >   <[1][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
   >
   >        Nailed. It.
   >
   >      On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:32 AM Justin O'Donnell
   >      <[1][2][4]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
   >           Arvin,
   >           You expressed a dishonest apology. “I’m Sorry, but….” Is a
   >           rationalization, not an apology. You deflected the issue at
   >   hand
   >        and
   >           launched into accusations of your own that everyone who was
   >   upset
   >        with
   >           your “joke” wasn’t Libertarian enough to have an opinion.
   >           You said “I don’t support actually shooting up a school
   board”
   >        but then
   >           went on a rant justifying why someone should be ok with
   such a
   >        course
   >           of action. As I explained when I cast my vote, it wasn’t
   simply
   >        your
   >           comment that led me to vote in favor of the motion at hand,
   but
   >        rather
   >           your response to it, and lack of a sincere apology.
   >           You have displayed a persistent inability to accept
   >        accountability for
   >           the wrong in what you’ve said, and refuse to acknowledge
   the
   >        gravity of
   >           your position and how personal posts make in public
   >   environments
   >           reflect on the organization simply due to the position you
   are
   >        in. Face
   >           the facts Arvin, as Vice Chair of this organization, you
   ARE a
   >        public
   >           figure, and everything you say, whether personal or
   political
   >        reflects
   >           upon this organization, and that is something that needs to
   be
   >           inherently understood by everyone aiming to serve in any
   >   capacity
   >        of
   >           leadership.
   >           In the past I have consistently defended the morality and
   >        principles
   >           behind your statements, even if you lacked the tact to
   express
   >        those
   >           opinions in an amicable manner yourself. However, your
   >        narcissistic and
   >           audacious purism is dangerous and hindering the growth of
   this
   >        party,
   >           and any actual advancement towards Liberty in our
   Lifetimes.
   >   How
   >        you
   >           say things is often much more important than what you say.
   It
   >   is
   >           perfectly possible to express radical opinions and beliefs
   in a
   >        manner
   >           that encourages independent thought rather than backlash.
   If
   >   your
   >           intent is to grow this party, and advance this movement,
   then I
   >        suggest
   >           you sincerely take a reprieve to learn a thing or two about
   >        marketing
   >           and communication, and how to reach people outside your own
   >   echo
   >           chamber.
   >           Justin O’Donnell
   >           LNC Region 8 (ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, NY, NJ)
   >           Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
   >           From: [2]Arvin Vohra
   >           Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 1:10 PM
   >
   >             To: [3][2][3][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   >             Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05:
   Suspension
   >     of
   >          Arvin
   >             Vohra
   >             Since some were not able to see the facebook live video,
   I
   >          uploaded the
   >             video to youtube. This is the original video, unaltered.
   >             Given that we have at least one LNC member saying that I
   >     never
   >             apologized,
   >             I would like to correct the record:
   >             [3][4][6]https://www.youtube.com/
   watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=
   >     [7]youtu.be
   >             On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Steve Scheetz
   >          <[4][5][8]steve.scheetz at lp.org>
   >             wrote:
   >> I was informed that what I said could be misinterpreted as
   >     not
   >             voting.
   >>
   >> I vote yes.
   >>
   >> Sincerely,
   >>
   >>
   >> Steve Scheetz
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >
   >> From: Lnc-business [mailto:[5][6]lnc-business-
   >   [9]bounces at hq.lp.org]
   >        On Behalf
   >           Of
   >> Alicia Mattson
   >> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 2:16 AM
   >> To: Libertarian National Committee list
   >> Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension of
   >        Arvin
   >           Vohra
   >>
   >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
   >>
   >>
   >> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by April 12, 2018 at
   >           11:59:59pm
   >> Pacific time.*
   >> *Co-Sponsors:*  Harlos, Van Horn, Katz, Hayes, Goldstein,
   >        Redpath,
   >           Hewitt,
   >> O'Donnell
   >>
   >> *Motion:*
   >>
   >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of
   >        force as
   >           its
   >> cardinal principle and requires each of its members certify
   >        that they
   >> neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve
   >        political or
   >           social
   >> goals.
   >>
   >> RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends
   >        Arvin
   >           Vohra
   >> from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated
   >           unacceptable
   >> conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian Party
   >        into
   >           disrepute,
   >> including making and defending a statement advocating lethal
   >        violence
   >> against state employees who are not directly threatening
   >        imminent
   >           physical
   >> harm. Such action is in violation of our membership pledge.
   >        These
   >           actions
   >> further endanger the survival of our movement and the
   >   security
   >        of all
   >           of
   >> our members without their consent.
   >>
   >> -Alicia
   >>
   >>
   >           --
   >           Arvin Vohra
   >
   >             [6][7][10]www.VoteVohra.com
   >             [7][8][11]VoteVohra at gmail.com
   >             (301) 320-3634
   >          References
   >             1. [8][9][12]https://go.microsoft.
   com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
   >             2. mailto:[9][10][13]votevohra at gmail.com
   >             3. mailto:[10][11][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   >        --
   >        --
   >        In Liberty,
   >        Caryn Ann Harlos
   >        Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
   (Alaska,
   >        Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
   >     Washington)
   >        - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
   >        Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
   >        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
   >        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   >        We defend your rights
   >        And oppose the use of force
   >        Taxation is theft
   >     References
   >        1. mailto:[12][15]justin.odonnell at lp.org
   >        2. mailto:[13][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   >        3. [14][17]https://www.youtube.com/watch?
   >     v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=[18]youtu.be
   >        4. mailto:[15][19]steve.scheetz at lp.org
   >        5. mailto:[16][20]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
   >        6. [17][21]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
   >        7. mailto:[18][22]VoteVohra at gmail.com
   >        8. [19][23]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
   >        9. mailto:[20][24]votevohra at gmail.com
   >       10. mailto:[21][25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   >       11. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   >       12. [23][26]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
   >
   >   --
   >   Arvin Vohra
   >   [24][27]www.VoteVohra.com
   >   [25][28]VoteVohra at gmail.com
   >   (301) 320-3634
   >
   > References
   >
   >   1. mailto:[29]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   >   2. mailto:[30]justin.odonnell at lp.org
   >   3. mailto:[31]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   >   4. [32]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
   >   5. mailto:[33]steve.scheetz at lp.org
   >   6. mailto:[34]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
   >   7. [35]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
   >   8. mailto:[36]VoteVohra at gmail.com
   >   9. [37]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
   >  10. mailto:[38]votevohra at gmail.com
   >  11. mailto:[39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   >  12. mailto:[40]justin.odonnell at lp.org
   >  13. mailto:[41]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   >  14. [42]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
   >  15. mailto:[43]steve.scheetz at lp.org
   >  16. mailto:[44]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
   >  17. [45]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
   >  18. mailto:[46]VoteVohra at gmail.com
   >  19. [47]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
   >  20. mailto:[48]votevohra at gmail.com
   >  21. mailto:[49]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   >  22. mailto:[50]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   >  23. [51]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
   >  24. [52]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
   >  25. mailto:[53]VoteVohra at gmail.com

References

   1. mailto:alex.merced at lp.org
   2. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
   3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   4. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
   5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=
   7. http://youtu.be/
   8. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
   9. mailto:bounces at hq.lp.org
  10. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
  11. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
  12. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
  13. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
  14. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  15. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
  16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  17. https://www.youtube.com/watch
  18. http://youtu.be/
  19. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
  20. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
  21. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
  22. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
  23. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
  24. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
  25. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  26. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
  27. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
  28. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
  29. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
  30. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
  31. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  32. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
  33. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
  34. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
  35. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
  36. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
  37. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
  38. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
  39. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  40. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
  41. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  42. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
  43. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
  44. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
  45. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
  46. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
  47. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
  48. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
  49. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  50. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  51. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
  52. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
  53. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com


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