[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension of Arvin Vohra
Whitney Bilyeu
whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
Wed Apr 4 21:57:31 EDT 2018
I vote YES.
Whitney Bilyeu
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt) <
alex.merced at lp.org> wrote:
> To be clear, I vote yes
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 4, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What you've written is false. The joke I made, and admitted was in poor
> > taste, was about attacking a government agency with violence. The
> > "rant" to which you are referring indicates that the Second Amendment
> > is to protect us from government.
> > Perhaps you believe the Second Amendment is about hunting licenses.
> > However, I do not believe that I am the only person in the LP, or on
> > the LNC, who believes that the Second Amendment is there to protect us
> > from government.
> > If the LNC wants to make a statement that the second amendment is not
> > about protecting ourselves from the state, then you wouldn't need this
> > rigamarole. I'd resign from any organization that thought that.
> > However, I strongly doubt that the majority on the LNC, or anyone on
> > the LNC for that matter, believes that gun rights are not about
> > protecting ourselves from the state.
> > -Arvin
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Nailed. It.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:32 AM Justin O'Donnell
> > <[1][2]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
> > Arvin,
> > You expressed a dishonest apology. “I’m Sorry, but….” Is a
> > rationalization, not an apology. You deflected the issue at
> > hand
> > and
> > launched into accusations of your own that everyone who was
> > upset
> > with
> > your “joke” wasn’t Libertarian enough to have an opinion.
> > You said “I don’t support actually shooting up a school board”
> > but then
> > went on a rant justifying why someone should be ok with such a
> > course
> > of action. As I explained when I cast my vote, it wasn’t simply
> > your
> > comment that led me to vote in favor of the motion at hand, but
> > rather
> > your response to it, and lack of a sincere apology.
> > You have displayed a persistent inability to accept
> > accountability for
> > the wrong in what you’ve said, and refuse to acknowledge the
> > gravity of
> > your position and how personal posts make in public
> > environments
> > reflect on the organization simply due to the position you are
> > in. Face
> > the facts Arvin, as Vice Chair of this organization, you ARE a
> > public
> > figure, and everything you say, whether personal or political
> > reflects
> > upon this organization, and that is something that needs to be
> > inherently understood by everyone aiming to serve in any
> > capacity
> > of
> > leadership.
> > In the past I have consistently defended the morality and
> > principles
> > behind your statements, even if you lacked the tact to express
> > those
> > opinions in an amicable manner yourself. However, your
> > narcissistic and
> > audacious purism is dangerous and hindering the growth of this
> > party,
> > and any actual advancement towards Liberty in our Lifetimes.
> > How
> > you
> > say things is often much more important than what you say. It
> > is
> > perfectly possible to express radical opinions and beliefs in a
> > manner
> > that encourages independent thought rather than backlash. If
> > your
> > intent is to grow this party, and advance this movement, then I
> > suggest
> > you sincerely take a reprieve to learn a thing or two about
> > marketing
> > and communication, and how to reach people outside your own
> > echo
> > chamber.
> > Justin O’Donnell
> > LNC Region 8 (ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, NY, NJ)
> > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
> > From: [2]Arvin Vohra
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 1:10 PM
> >
> > To: [3][2][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension
> > of
> > Arvin
> > Vohra
> > Since some were not able to see the facebook live video, I
> > uploaded the
> > video to youtube. This is the original video, unaltered.
> > Given that we have at least one LNC member saying that I
> > never
> > apologized,
> > I would like to correct the record:
> > [3][4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=
> > youtu.be
> > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Steve Scheetz
> > <[4][5]steve.scheetz at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >> I was informed that what I said could be misinterpreted as
> > not
> > voting.
> >>
> >> I vote yes.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve Scheetz
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >
> >> From: Lnc-business [mailto:[5][6]lnc-business-
> > bounces at hq.lp.org]
> > On Behalf
> > Of
> >> Alicia Mattson
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 2:16 AM
> >> To: Libertarian National Committee list
> >> Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension of
> > Arvin
> > Vohra
> >>
> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>
> >>
> >> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by April 12, 2018 at
> > 11:59:59pm
> >> Pacific time.*
> >> *Co-Sponsors:* Harlos, Van Horn, Katz, Hayes, Goldstein,
> > Redpath,
> > Hewitt,
> >> O'Donnell
> >>
> >> *Motion:*
> >>
> >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of
> > force as
> > its
> >> cardinal principle and requires each of its members certify
> > that they
> >> neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve
> > political or
> > social
> >> goals.
> >>
> >> RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends
> > Arvin
> > Vohra
> >> from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated
> > unacceptable
> >> conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian Party
> > into
> > disrepute,
> >> including making and defending a statement advocating lethal
> > violence
> >> against state employees who are not directly threatening
> > imminent
> > physical
> >> harm. Such action is in violation of our membership pledge.
> > These
> > actions
> >> further endanger the survival of our movement and the
> > security
> > of all
> > of
> >> our members without their consent.
> >>
> >> -Alicia
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > Arvin Vohra
> >
> > [6][7]www.VoteVohra.com
> > [7][8]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> > (301) 320-3634
> > References
> > 1. [8][9]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> > 2. mailto:[9][10]votevohra at gmail.com
> > 3. mailto:[10][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> > Washington)
> > - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[12]justin.odonnell at lp.org
> > 2. mailto:[13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 3. [14]https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> > v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
> > 4. mailto:[15]steve.scheetz at lp.org
> > 5. mailto:[16]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> > 6. [17]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> > 7. mailto:[18]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> > 8. [19]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> > 9. mailto:[20]votevohra at gmail.com
> > 10. mailto:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 11. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 12. [23]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >
> > --
> > Arvin Vohra
> > [24]www.VoteVohra.com
> > [25]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> > (301) 320-3634
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 2. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> > 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
> > 5. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
> > 6. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> > 7. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> > 8. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> > 9. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> > 10. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
> > 11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 12. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> > 13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 14. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
> > 15. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
> > 16. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> > 17. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> > 18. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> > 19. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> > 20. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
> > 21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 22. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 23. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 24. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> > 25. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>
>
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I vote YES.
Whitney Bilyeu
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt)
<[1]alex.merced at lp.org> wrote:
To be clear, I vote yes
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 4, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Arvin Vohra <[2]votevohra at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> What you've written is false. The joke I made, and admitted was in
poor
> taste, was about attacking a government agency with violence. The
> "rant" to which you are referring indicates that the Second
Amendment
> is to protect us from government.
> Perhaps you believe the Second Amendment is about hunting licenses.
> However, I do not believe that I am the only person in the LP, or
on
> the LNC, who believes that the Second Amendment is there to protect
us
> from government.
> If the LNC wants to make a statement that the second amendment is
not
> about protecting ourselves from the state, then you wouldn't need
this
> rigamarole. I'd resign from any organization that thought that.
> However, I strongly doubt that the majority on the LNC, or anyone
on
> the LNC for that matter, believes that gun rights are not about
> protecting ourselves from the state.
> -Arvin
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Nailed. It.
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:32 AM Justin O'Donnell
> <[1][2][4]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
> Arvin,
> You expressed a dishonest apology. “I’m Sorry, but….” Is a
> rationalization, not an apology. You deflected the issue at
> hand
> and
> launched into accusations of your own that everyone who was
> upset
> with
> your “joke” wasn’t Libertarian enough to have an opinion.
> You said “I don’t support actually shooting up a school
board”
> but then
> went on a rant justifying why someone should be ok with
such a
> course
> of action. As I explained when I cast my vote, it wasn’t
simply
> your
> comment that led me to vote in favor of the motion at hand,
but
> rather
> your response to it, and lack of a sincere apology.
> You have displayed a persistent inability to accept
> accountability for
> the wrong in what you’ve said, and refuse to acknowledge
the
> gravity of
> your position and how personal posts make in public
> environments
> reflect on the organization simply due to the position you
are
> in. Face
> the facts Arvin, as Vice Chair of this organization, you
ARE a
> public
> figure, and everything you say, whether personal or
political
> reflects
> upon this organization, and that is something that needs to
be
> inherently understood by everyone aiming to serve in any
> capacity
> of
> leadership.
> In the past I have consistently defended the morality and
> principles
> behind your statements, even if you lacked the tact to
express
> those
> opinions in an amicable manner yourself. However, your
> narcissistic and
> audacious purism is dangerous and hindering the growth of
this
> party,
> and any actual advancement towards Liberty in our
Lifetimes.
> How
> you
> say things is often much more important than what you say.
It
> is
> perfectly possible to express radical opinions and beliefs
in a
> manner
> that encourages independent thought rather than backlash.
If
> your
> intent is to grow this party, and advance this movement,
then I
> suggest
> you sincerely take a reprieve to learn a thing or two about
> marketing
> and communication, and how to reach people outside your own
> echo
> chamber.
> Justin O’Donnell
> LNC Region 8 (ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, NY, NJ)
> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
> From: [2]Arvin Vohra
> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 1:10 PM
>
> To: [3][2][3][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05:
Suspension
> of
> Arvin
> Vohra
> Since some were not able to see the facebook live video,
I
> uploaded the
> video to youtube. This is the original video, unaltered.
> Given that we have at least one LNC member saying that I
> never
> apologized,
> I would like to correct the record:
> [3][4][6]https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=
> [7]youtu.be
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Steve Scheetz
> <[4][5][8]steve.scheetz at lp.org>
> wrote:
>> I was informed that what I said could be misinterpreted as
> not
> voting.
>>
>> I vote yes.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>> Steve Scheetz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:[5][6]lnc-business-
> [9]bounces at hq.lp.org]
> On Behalf
> Of
>> Alicia Mattson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 2:16 AM
>> To: Libertarian National Committee list
>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension of
> Arvin
> Vohra
>>
>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>
>>
>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by April 12, 2018 at
> 11:59:59pm
>> Pacific time.*
>> *Co-Sponsors:* Harlos, Van Horn, Katz, Hayes, Goldstein,
> Redpath,
> Hewitt,
>> O'Donnell
>>
>> *Motion:*
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of
> force as
> its
>> cardinal principle and requires each of its members certify
> that they
>> neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve
> political or
> social
>> goals.
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends
> Arvin
> Vohra
>> from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated
> unacceptable
>> conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian Party
> into
> disrepute,
>> including making and defending a statement advocating lethal
> violence
>> against state employees who are not directly threatening
> imminent
> physical
>> harm. Such action is in violation of our membership pledge.
> These
> actions
>> further endanger the survival of our movement and the
> security
> of all
> of
>> our members without their consent.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
> --
> Arvin Vohra
>
> [6][7][10]www.VoteVohra.com
> [7][8][11]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> (301) 320-3634
> References
> 1. [8][9][12]https://go.microsoft.
com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> 2. mailto:[9][10][13]votevohra at gmail.com
> 3. mailto:[10][11][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[12][15]justin.odonnell at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[13][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. [14][17]https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=[18]youtu.be
> 4. mailto:[15][19]steve.scheetz at lp.org
> 5. mailto:[16][20]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> 6. [17][21]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 7. mailto:[18][22]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 8. [19][23]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> 9. mailto:[20][24]votevohra at gmail.com
> 10. mailto:[21][25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 11. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 12. [23][26]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
> --
> Arvin Vohra
> [24][27]www.VoteVohra.com
> [25][28]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> (301) 320-3634
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[29]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[30]justin.odonnell at lp.org
> 3. mailto:[31]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. [32]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
> 5. mailto:[33]steve.scheetz at lp.org
> 6. mailto:[34]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> 7. [35]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 8. mailto:[36]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 9. [37]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> 10. mailto:[38]votevohra at gmail.com
> 11. mailto:[39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 12. mailto:[40]justin.odonnell at lp.org
> 13. mailto:[41]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 14. [42]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
> 15. mailto:[43]steve.scheetz at lp.org
> 16. mailto:[44]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> 17. [45]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 18. mailto:[46]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 19. [47]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> 20. mailto:[48]votevohra at gmail.com
> 21. mailto:[49]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 22. mailto:[50]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 23. [51]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 24. [52]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 25. mailto:[53]VoteVohra at gmail.com
References
1. mailto:alex.merced at lp.org
2. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
4. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=
7. http://youtu.be/
8. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
9. mailto:bounces at hq.lp.org
10. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
11. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
12. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
13. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
14. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
15. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
17. https://www.youtube.com/watch
18. http://youtu.be/
19. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
20. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
21. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
22. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
23. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
24. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
25. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
26. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
27. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
28. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
29. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
30. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
31. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
32. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
33. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
34. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
35. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
36. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
37. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
38. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
39. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
40. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
41. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
42. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
43. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
44. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
45. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
46. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
47. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
48. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
49. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
50. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
51. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
52. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
53. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
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