[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension of Arvin Vohra

Arvin Vohra votevohra at gmail.com
Thu Apr 5 04:28:06 EDT 2018


The automatic weapons comment, which was part of a general facebook
conversation on the topic that was going on across the political spectrum,
and included discussions by Republican candidates about repealing laws
against automatic weapons, indicates what automatic weapons are for. If
you'd like more ammunition for this, feel free to also listen to my podcast
from (I think) last week, maybe the week before in which I discuss
legalizing automatic weapons. My specific reason that automatic weapons
should be legalized is that they are exactly what are used by the
government. The government uses automatic weapons.  Defense against the
government requires that we have access to the same types of weapons. I
also discussed that general idea on Punk Rock Libertarians last Sunday.
It's easy to find the exact time, since it's basically when the number of
likes skyrocketed.

I put the question to any LNC member who wants to answer:

1. Do you support legalizing automatic weapons? (I assume the answer for
most of you is yes.)
2. What are they for? Do you plan to turn a deer into ground venison
without using a food processor? What are those guns for if not for defense
against a tyrannical government?

I get what you're trying to do here, by weaving a narrative based on a joke
post, and connecting other posts to it. It's a great hit piece. I notice
that you chose to skip long and detailed posts about the power of
nonviolence, my specific and repeated insistence that nonviolent approaches
are both more moral and more practical. Posts on the topic of nonviolence
have been posted several times, both before and after. They have been, by
the way, specific, clear, and obviously not sardonic posts, that expressed
my clear opposition to violence, including morally justified or state
sponsored violence. I've lost track of how many times I've mentioned that
Dr. King and Gandhi showed that you can defeat the state without violence,
both on and off social media.

In terms of "Hunt Government" - that's a post taken entirely out of any
context, juxtaposed with an joke on literally a *different website*, to
create a narrative. On a daily basis, I use every kind of violent word
against government: dismantle government, smash government, shatter the
welfare state, demolish government, etc. The argument that "hunt
government" is now advocating shooting government employees is stretching
any kind of believability to the limit. That's like saying "demolish
government" is suggesting that we smash the heads of IRS employees (which,
since we're playing the over-literal game right now, I don't support).

I mean, what are we doing if not hunting government? Do we not seek to
dismantle or destroy it? That's the point of this whole movement. Our goal
is to hunt and destroy government. Not to hunt and destroy government
employees. Our goal is to just unemploy them. But if we're not trying to
destroy most or all of government, what are we doing?

I cannot imagine that I am the only person on this board who wants to tear
the IRS building down like the Berlin Wall. And before people take that out
of context, that is with the assumption that there are not people left in
the building before the aforementioned teardown begins.

I'll save Ms. Mattson and Ms. Harlos the trouble of finding some of my
other incendiary posts to take out of context, since I remember most of
them. There was a tongue-in-cheek discussion about recreational nukes one
night. I posted that if I were a private nuclear power, no one would ever
have to pay taxes again. In context, it landed a bit better than the mewe
joke did. I was not advocating a nuclear holocaust. I was illustrating that
if the people have as much power as government, government has to earn
money by selling services. It cannot just take money, if people are as
powerful as the government.

There have been about a thousand posts about ending all gun laws, most of
which have been followed by some point about guns being used for defense
against the government, not for hunting.

During my discussion of the military hypothetically being used as an enemy
of the people, where every sentence I posted was microanalyzed, I described
the following scenario: Suppose the government was engaging in some kind of
tyranny, and suppose the citizens were able to defend themselves against
the police. The military would be the backup called to the police's aid.

Earlier today, I shared (or maybe just liked, I don't exactly remember) a
post about 1776, which shows the Redcoats facing the Americans, and it
talked about how a group of drunk libertarians defeated their government.
It was a pro second amendment post.

Now, to help you guys out, I'll do what Ms. Mattson did, and string that
together, out of order, with a narrative.

1. Arvin Vohra posted about the American revolution, in a post describing
that guns were used against the federal government of the time.
2. Arvin Vohra has said that automatic weapons should be legalized because
that's what the government has.
3. Arvin Vohra has also participated in the common "legalize recreational
nukes" facebook trope.

Therefore, Arvin Vohra is advocating nuking America, or possibly Britain.

If your goal is to suspend me for my actual views, I've given you plenty of
ammo. I oppose military enlistment, and see no difference between state
approved killing and killing. I believe that our doctrine of self ownership
means that the state has no say in the age consent. I've argued that
military, police, and government school use should be stopped at the
individual level, by not enlisting. I've extended that to say that being a
part of any of those organizations is a moral failing.

I've said a few hundred times things to the effect of "Real parents provide
for their kids; they don't just have the state steal on their behalf," and
other equally sardonic posts against government education and government
funded education. The list of my controversial views is extremely long.
There is no shortage in the variety with which I have mocked, degraded, and
belittled the state's sacred cows (military, police, and government
schools).

But I do consider this current situation absurd. I don't support violence.
I never have. I have no intention of starting.

However, I as I mentioned in my video, we have many representatives who
support state violence - not just military violence, but violently forcing
people to pay for childcare via government schools. They aren't joking or
kidding. They aren't saying, "Public schools are part of the social
contract, jk haha lol." They are just saying, "It doesn't matter if you
don't like it. You have to pay for public schools. It is okay to force you
to if you don't want to."

Do whatever you feel is right here, but I hope you will be as assiduous in
handling candidates, elected officials, and representatives who actually,
seriously support using state violence to force people to fund the welfare
or warfare state.

Respectfully,

Arvin Vohra
Vice Chair
Libertarian National Committee

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:46 AM, Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
wrote:

>    Arvin,
>    You tell the LNC that you don't actually advocate for violence against
>    the state or its employees, and here you say something that sounds
>    reasonable like "the Second Amendment is there to protect us from
>    government."
>    What you post on social media is quite different, though.  There's no
>    way to reconcile that with your postings like the following two public
>    examples on your Facebook account on 03/29/18:
>    "Hunt government."
>    and
>    "Now that I'm on mewe and don't have to worry as much about getting
>    kicked off facebook:
>    1. I love automatic weapons.
>    2. I recommend that you buy automatic weapons.
>    3. They aren't for hunting deer; they are for hunting the government."
>    Hunting is not a defensive activity.  The MeWe post was not an isolated
>    comment, and combined with these two Facebook posts it's all very
>    disturbing.
>    You can't fool me into believing these are "jokes".  The two posts
>    above are not on MeWe where you claim there is a different vibe which
>    allegedly justified that other post.
>    I can't believe I just spent the time to even argue this with you, as
>    though this is a rational discussion...
>    -Alicia
>    On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Arvin Vohra <[1]votevohra at gmail.com>
>    wrote:
>
>         What you've written is false. The joke I made, and admitted was
>      in poor
>         taste, was about attacking a government agency with violence. The
>         "rant" to which you are referring indicates that the Second
>      Amendment
>         is to protect us from government.
>         Perhaps you believe the Second Amendment is about hunting
>      licenses.
>         However, I do not believe that I am the only person in the LP, or
>      on
>         the LNC, who believes that the Second Amendment is there to
>      protect us
>         from government.
>         If the LNC wants to make a statement that the second amendment is
>      not
>         about protecting ourselves from the state, then you wouldn't need
>      this
>         rigamarole. I'd resign from any organization that thought that.
>         However, I strongly doubt that the majority on the LNC, or anyone
>      on
>         the LNC for that matter, believes that gun rights are not about
>         protecting ourselves from the state.
>         -Arvin
>         On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>         <[1][2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>              Nailed. It.
>            On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:32 AM Justin O'Donnell
>
>          <[1][2][3]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
>               Arvin,
>               You expressed a dishonest apology. “I’m Sorry, but….” Is a
>               rationalization, not an apology. You deflected the issue at
>       hand
>            and
>               launched into accusations of your own that everyone who was
>       upset
>            with
>               your “joke” wasn’t Libertarian enough to have an opinion.
>               You said “I don’t support actually shooting up a school
>    board”
>            but then
>               went on a rant justifying why someone should be ok with such
>    a
>            course
>               of action. As I explained when I cast my vote, it wasn’t
>    simply
>            your
>               comment that led me to vote in favor of the motion at hand,
>    but
>            rather
>               your response to it, and lack of a sincere apology.
>               You have displayed a persistent inability to accept
>            accountability for
>               the wrong in what you’ve said, and refuse to acknowledge the
>            gravity of
>               your position and how personal posts make in public
>       environments
>               reflect on the organization simply due to the position you
>    are
>            in. Face
>               the facts Arvin, as Vice Chair of this organization, you ARE
>    a
>            public
>               figure, and everything you say, whether personal or
>    political
>            reflects
>               upon this organization, and that is something that needs to
>    be
>               inherently understood by everyone aiming to serve in any
>       capacity
>            of
>               leadership.
>               In the past I have consistently defended the morality and
>            principles
>               behind your statements, even if you lacked the tact to
>    express
>            those
>               opinions in an amicable manner yourself. However, your
>            narcissistic and
>               audacious purism is dangerous and hindering the growth of
>    this
>            party,
>               and any actual advancement towards Liberty in our Lifetimes.
>       How
>            you
>               say things is often much more important than what you say.
>    It
>       is
>               perfectly possible to express radical opinions and beliefs
>    in a
>            manner
>               that encourages independent thought rather than backlash. If
>       your
>               intent is to grow this party, and advance this movement,
>    then I
>            suggest
>               you sincerely take a reprieve to learn a thing or two about
>            marketing
>               and communication, and how to reach people outside your own
>       echo
>               chamber.
>               Justin O’Donnell
>               LNC Region 8 (ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, NY, NJ)
>               Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>               From: [2]Arvin Vohra
>               Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 1:10 PM
>
>                   To: [3][2][3][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>                   Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05:
>      Suspension
>           of
>                Arvin
>                   Vohra
>                   Since some were not able to see the facebook live
>      video, I
>                uploaded the
>                   video to youtube. This is the original video,
>      unaltered.
>                   Given that we have at least one LNC member saying that
>      I
>           never
>                   apologized,
>                   I would like to correct the record:
>                   [3][4][5]https://www.youtube.com/
>      watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=
>           [6]youtu.be
>                   On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Steve Scheetz
>                <[4][5][7]steve.scheetz at lp.org>
>                   wrote:
>                   > I was informed that what I said could be
>      misinterpreted as
>           not
>                   voting.
>                   >
>                   > I vote yes.
>                   >
>                   > Sincerely,
>                   >
>                   >
>                   > Steve Scheetz
>                   >
>                   > -----Original Message-----
>                 > From: Lnc-business [mailto:[5][6]lnc-business-
>
>       [8]bounces at hq.lp.org]
>            On Behalf
>               Of
>               > Alicia Mattson
>               > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 2:16 AM
>               > To: Libertarian National Committee list
>               > Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension
>    of
>            Arvin
>               Vohra
>               >
>               > We have an electronic mail ballot.
>               >
>               >
>               > *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by April 12, 2018
>    at
>               11:59:59pm
>               > Pacific time.*
>               > *Co-Sponsors:*  Harlos, Van Horn, Katz, Hayes, Goldstein,
>            Redpath,
>               Hewitt,
>               > O'Donnell
>               >
>               > *Motion:*
>               >
>               > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of
>            force as
>               its
>               > cardinal principle and requires each of its members
>    certify
>            that they
>               > neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve
>            political or
>               social
>               > goals.
>               >
>               > RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends
>            Arvin
>               Vohra
>               > from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated
>               unacceptable
>               > conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian
>    Party
>            into
>               disrepute,
>               > including making and defending a statement advocating
>    lethal
>            violence
>               > against state employees who are not directly threatening
>            imminent
>               physical
>               > harm. Such action is in violation of our membership
>    pledge.
>            These
>               actions
>               > further endanger the survival of our movement and the
>       security
>            of all
>               of
>               > our members without their consent.
>               >
>               > -Alicia
>               >
>               >
>               --
>               Arvin Vohra
>
>                   [6][7][9]www.VoteVohra.com
>                   [7][8][10]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>                   (301) 320-3634
>                References
>                   1. [8][9][11]https://go.microsoft.
>      com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>                   2. mailto:[9][10][12]votevohra at gmail.com
>                   3. mailto:[10][11][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>              --
>              --
>              In Liberty,
>              Caryn Ann Harlos
>              Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>      (Alaska,
>              Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>           Washington)
>              - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>              Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>              Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>              A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>              We defend your rights
>              And oppose the use of force
>              Taxation is theft
>           References
>              1. mailto:[12][14]justin.odonnell at lp.org
>              2. mailto:[13][15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>              3. [14][16]https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>           v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=[17]youtu.be
>              4. mailto:[15][18]steve.scheetz at lp.org
>              5. mailto:[16][19]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>              6. [17][20]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>              7. mailto:[18][21]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>              8. [19][22]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>              9. mailto:[20][23]votevohra at gmail.com
>             10. mailto:[21][24]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>             11. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>             12. [23][25]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>         --
>         Arvin Vohra
>         [24][26]www.VoteVohra.com
>         [25][27]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>         (301) 320-3634
>      References
>         1. mailto:[28]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>         2. mailto:[29]justin.odonnell at lp.org
>         3. mailto:[30]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         4. [31]https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>      v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
>         5. mailto:[32]steve.scheetz at lp.org
>         6. mailto:[33]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>         7. [34]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>         8. mailto:[35]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>         9. [36]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>        10. mailto:[37]votevohra at gmail.com
>        11. mailto:[38]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        12. mailto:[39]justin.odonnell at lp.org
>        13. mailto:[40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        14. [41]https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>      v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
>        15. mailto:[42]steve.scheetz at lp.org
>        16. mailto:[43]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>        17. [44]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>        18. mailto:[45]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>        19. [46]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>        20. mailto:[47]votevohra at gmail.com
>        21. mailto:[48]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        22. mailto:[49]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>        23. [50]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
>      24. [51]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>      25. mailto:[52]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
>    2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>    3. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
>    4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=
>    6. http://youtu.be/
>    7. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
>    8. mailto:bounces at hq.lp.org
>    9. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   10. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   11. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>   12. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
>   13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   14. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
>   15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   16. https://www.youtube.com/watch
>   17. http://youtu.be/
>   18. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
>   19. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>   20. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   21. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   22. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>   23. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
>   24. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   25. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>   26. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   27. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   28. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>   29. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
>   30. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   31. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
>   32. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
>   33. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>   34. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   35. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   36. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>   37. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
>   38. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   39. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
>   40. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   41. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
>   42. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
>   43. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>   44. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   45. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   46. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>   47. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
>   48. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   49. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>   50. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>   51. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   52. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>



-- 
Arvin Vohra

www.VoteVohra.com
VoteVohra at gmail.com
(301) 320-3634
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   The automatic weapons comment, which was part of a general facebook
   conversation on the topic that was going on across the political
   spectrum, and included discussions by Republican candidates about
   repealing laws against automatic weapons, indicates what automatic
   weapons are for. If you'd like more ammunition for this, feel free to
   also listen to my podcast from (I think) last week, maybe the week
   before in which I discuss legalizing automatic weapons. My specific
   reason that automatic weapons should be legalized is that they are
   exactly what are used by the government. The government uses automatic
   weapons.  Defense against the government requires that we have access
   to the same types of weapons. I also discussed that general idea on
   Punk Rock Libertarians last Sunday. It's easy to find the exact time,
   since it's basically when the number of likes skyrocketed.
   I put the question to any LNC member who wants to answer:
   1. Do you support legalizing automatic weapons? (I assume the answer
   for most of you is yes.)
   2. What are they for? Do you plan to turn a deer into ground venison
   without using a food processor? What are those guns for if not for
   defense against a tyrannical government?
   I get what you're trying to do here, by weaving a narrative based on a
   joke post, and connecting other posts to it. It's a great hit piece. I
   notice that you chose to skip long and detailed posts about the power
   of nonviolence, my specific and repeated insistence that nonviolent
   approaches are both more moral and more practical. Posts on the topic
   of nonviolence have been posted several times, both before and after.
   They have been, by the way, specific, clear, and obviously not sardonic
   posts, that expressed my clear opposition to violence, including
   morally justified or state sponsored violence. I've lost track of how
   many times I've mentioned that Dr. King and Gandhi showed that you can
   defeat the state without violence, both on and off social media.
   In terms of "Hunt Government" - that's a post taken entirely out of any
   context, juxtaposed with an joke on literally a *different website*, to
   create a narrative. On a daily basis, I use every kind of violent word
   against government: dismantle government, smash government, shatter the
   welfare state, demolish government, etc. The argument that "hunt
   government" is now advocating shooting government employees is
   stretching any kind of believability to the limit. That's like saying
   "demolish government" is suggesting that we smash the heads of IRS
   employees (which, since we're playing the over-literal game right now,
   I don't support).
   I mean, what are we doing if not hunting government? Do we not seek to
   dismantle or destroy it? That's the point of this whole movement. Our
   goal is to hunt and destroy government. Not to hunt and destroy
   government employees. Our goal is to just unemploy them. But if we're
   not trying to destroy most or all of government, what are we doing?
   I cannot imagine that I am the only person on this board who wants to
   tear the IRS building down like the Berlin Wall. And before people take
   that out of context, that is with the assumption that there are not
   people left in the building before the aforementioned teardown begins.
   I'll save Ms. Mattson and Ms. Harlos the trouble of finding some of my
   other incendiary posts to take out of context, since I remember most of
   them. There was a tongue-in-cheek discussion about recreational nukes
   one night. I posted that if I were a private nuclear power, no one
   would ever have to pay taxes again. In context, it landed a bit better
   than the mewe joke did. I was not advocating a nuclear holocaust. I was
   illustrating that if the people have as much power as government,
   government has to earn money by selling services. It cannot just take
   money, if people are as powerful as the government.
   There have been about a thousand posts about ending all gun laws, most
   of which have been followed by some point about guns being used for
   defense against the government, not for hunting.
   During my discussion of the military hypothetically being used as an
   enemy of the people, where every sentence I posted was microanalyzed, I
   described the following scenario: Suppose the government was engaging
   in some kind of tyranny, and suppose the citizens were able to defend
   themselves against the police. The military would be the backup called
   to the police's aid.
   Earlier today, I shared (or maybe just liked, I don't exactly remember)
   a post about 1776, which shows the Redcoats facing the Americans, and
   it talked about how a group of drunk libertarians defeated their
   government. It was a pro second amendment post.
   Now, to help you guys out, I'll do what Ms. Mattson did, and string
   that together, out of order, with a narrative.
   1. Arvin Vohra posted about the American revolution, in a post
   describing that guns were used against the federal government of the
   time.
   2. Arvin Vohra has said that automatic weapons should be legalized
   because that's what the government has.
   3. Arvin Vohra has also participated in the common "legalize
   recreational nukes" facebook trope.
   Therefore, Arvin Vohra is advocating nuking America, or possibly
   Britain.
   If your goal is to suspend me for my actual views, I've given you
   plenty of ammo. I oppose military enlistment, and see no difference
   between state approved killing and killing. I believe that our doctrine
   of self ownership means that the state has no say in the age consent.
   I've argued that military, police, and government school use should be
   stopped at the individual level, by not enlisting. I've extended that
   to say that being a part of any of those organizations is a moral
   failing.
   I've said a few hundred times things to the effect of "Real parents
   provide for their kids; they don't just have the state steal on their
   behalf," and other equally sardonic posts against government education
   and government funded education. The list of my controversial views is
   extremely long. There is no shortage in the variety with which I have
   mocked, degraded, and belittled the state's sacred cows (military,
   police, and government schools).
   But I do consider this current situation absurd. I don't support
   violence. I never have. I have no intention of starting.
   However, I as I mentioned in my video, we have many representatives who
   support state violence - not just military violence, but violently
   forcing people to pay for childcare via government schools. They aren't
   joking or kidding. They aren't saying, "Public schools are part of the
   social contract, jk haha lol." They are just saying, "It doesn't matter
   if you don't like it. You have to pay for public schools. It is okay to
   force you to if you don't want to."
   Do whatever you feel is right here, but I hope you will be as assiduous
   in handling candidates, elected officials, and representatives who
   actually, seriously support using state violence to force people to
   fund the welfare or warfare state.
   Respectfully,
   Arvin Vohra
   Vice Chair
   Libertarian National Committee

   On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:46 AM, Alicia Mattson
   <[1]alicia.mattson at lp.org> wrote:

        Arvin,
        You tell the LNC that you don't actually advocate for violence
     against
        the state or its employees, and here you say something that
     sounds
        reasonable like "the Second Amendment is there to protect us from
        government."
        What you post on social media is quite different, though.
     There's no
        way to reconcile that with your postings like the following two
     public
        examples on your Facebook account on 03/29/18:
        "Hunt government."
        and
        "Now that I'm on mewe and don't have to worry as much about
     getting
        kicked off facebook:
        1. I love automatic weapons.
        2. I recommend that you buy automatic weapons.
        3. They aren't for hunting deer; they are for hunting the
     government."
        Hunting is not a defensive activity.  The MeWe post was not an
     isolated
        comment, and combined with these two Facebook posts it's all very
        disturbing.
        You can't fool me into believing these are "jokes".  The two
     posts
        above are not on MeWe where you claim there is a different vibe
     which
        allegedly justified that other post.
        I can't believe I just spent the time to even argue this with
     you, as
        though this is a rational discussion...
        -Alicia

      On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Arvin Vohra
   <[1][2]votevohra at gmail.com>
      wrote:
           What you've written is false. The joke I made, and admitted was
        in poor
           taste, was about attacking a government agency with violence.
   The
           "rant" to which you are referring indicates that the Second
        Amendment
           is to protect us from government.
           Perhaps you believe the Second Amendment is about hunting
        licenses.
           However, I do not believe that I am the only person in the LP,
   or
        on
           the LNC, who believes that the Second Amendment is there to
        protect us
           from government.
           If the LNC wants to make a statement that the second amendment
   is
        not
           about protecting ourselves from the state, then you wouldn't
   need
        this
           rigamarole. I'd resign from any organization that thought that.
           However, I strongly doubt that the majority on the LNC, or
   anyone
        on
           the LNC for that matter, believes that gun rights are not about
           protecting ourselves from the state.
           -Arvin
           On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos

             <[1][2][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
                  Nailed. It.
                On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:32 AM Justin O'Donnell

            <[1][2][3][4]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
                 Arvin,
                 You expressed a dishonest apology. “I’m Sorry, but….” Is
   a
                 rationalization, not an apology. You deflected the issue
   at
         hand
              and
                 launched into accusations of your own that everyone who
   was
         upset
              with
                 your “joke” wasn’t Libertarian enough to have an opinion.
                 You said “I don’t support actually shooting up a school
      board”
              but then
                 went on a rant justifying why someone should be ok with
   such
      a
              course
                 of action. As I explained when I cast my vote, it wasn’t
      simply
              your
                 comment that led me to vote in favor of the motion at
   hand,
      but
              rather
                 your response to it, and lack of a sincere apology.
                 You have displayed a persistent inability to accept
              accountability for
                 the wrong in what you’ve said, and refuse to acknowledge
   the
              gravity of
                 your position and how personal posts make in public
         environments
                 reflect on the organization simply due to the position
   you
      are
              in. Face
                 the facts Arvin, as Vice Chair of this organization, you
   ARE
      a
              public
                 figure, and everything you say, whether personal or
      political
              reflects
                 upon this organization, and that is something that needs
   to
      be
                 inherently understood by everyone aiming to serve in any
         capacity
              of
                 leadership.
                 In the past I have consistently defended the morality and
              principles
                 behind your statements, even if you lacked the tact to
      express
              those
                 opinions in an amicable manner yourself. However, your
              narcissistic and
                 audacious purism is dangerous and hindering the growth of
      this
              party,
                 and any actual advancement towards Liberty in our
   Lifetimes.
         How
              you
                 say things is often much more important than what you
   say.
      It
         is
                 perfectly possible to express radical opinions and
   beliefs
      in a
              manner
                 that encourages independent thought rather than backlash.
   If
         your
                 intent is to grow this party, and advance this movement,
      then I
              suggest
                 you sincerely take a reprieve to learn a thing or two
   about
              marketing
                 and communication, and how to reach people outside your
   own
         echo
                 chamber.
                 Justin O’Donnell
                 LNC Region 8 (ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, NY, NJ)
                 Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
                 From: [2]Arvin Vohra
                 Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 1:10 PM

                       To: [3][2][3][4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
                       Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05:
          Suspension
               of
                    Arvin
                       Vohra
                       Since some were not able to see the facebook live
          video, I
                    uploaded the
                       video to youtube. This is the original video,
          unaltered.
                       Given that we have at least one LNC member saying
     that
          I
               never
                       apologized,
                       I would like to correct the record:
                       [3][4][5][6]https://www.youtube.com/
          watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=
               [6][7]youtu.be
                       On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Steve Scheetz
                    <[4][5][7][8]steve.scheetz at lp.org>
                       wrote:
                       > I was informed that what I said could be
          misinterpreted as
               not
                       voting.
                       >
                       > I vote yes.
                       >
                       > Sincerely,
                       >
                       >
                       > Steve Scheetz
                       >
                       > -----Original Message-----
                     > From: Lnc-business [mailto:[5][6]lnc-business-
           [8][9]bounces at hq.lp.org]

              On Behalf
                 Of
                 > Alicia Mattson
                 > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 2:16 AM
                 > To: Libertarian National Committee list
                 > Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05:
   Suspension
      of
              Arvin
                 Vohra
                 >
                 > We have an electronic mail ballot.
                 >
                 >
                 > *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by April 12,
   2018
      at
                 11:59:59pm
                 > Pacific time.*
                 > *Co-Sponsors:*  Harlos, Van Horn, Katz, Hayes,
   Goldstein,
              Redpath,
                 Hewitt,
                 > O'Donnell
                 >
                 > *Motion:*
                 >
                 > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation
   of
              force as
                 its
                 > cardinal principle and requires each of its members
      certify
              that they
                 > neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve
              political or
                 social
                 > goals.
                 >
                 > RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee
   suspends
              Arvin
                 Vohra
                 > from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and
   repeated
                 unacceptable
                 > conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian
      Party
              into
                 disrepute,
                 > including making and defending a statement advocating
      lethal
              violence
                 > against state employees who are not directly
   threatening
              imminent
                 physical
                 > harm. Such action is in violation of our membership
      pledge.
              These
                 actions
                 > further endanger the survival of our movement and the
         security
              of all
                 of
                 > our members without their consent.
                 >
                 > -Alicia
                 >
                 >
                 --
                 Arvin Vohra

                       [6][7][9][10]www.VoteVohra.com
                       [7][8][10][11]VoteVohra at gmail.com
                       (301) 320-3634
                    References
                       1. [8][9][11][12]https://go.microsoft.
          com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
                       2. mailto:[9][10][12][13]votevohra at gmail.com
                       3. mailto:[10][11][13][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
                  --
                  --
                  In Liberty,
                  Caryn Ann Harlos
                  Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
          (Alaska,
                  Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
     Wyoming,
               Washington)
                  - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
                  Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of
     Colorado
                  Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
                  A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
                  We defend your rights
                  And oppose the use of force
                  Taxation is theft
               References
                  1. mailto:[12][14][15]justin.odonnell at lp.org
                  2. mailto:[13][15][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
                  3. [14][16][17]https://www.youtube.com/watch?
               v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=[17][18]youtu.be
                  4. mailto:[15][18][19]steve.scheetz at lp.org
                  5. mailto:[16][19][20]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
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                  7. mailto:[18][21][22]VoteVohra at gmail.com
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     com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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                 11. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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             --
             Arvin Vohra
             [24][26][27]www.VoteVohra.com
             [25][27][28]VoteVohra at gmail.com
             (301) 320-3634
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     v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
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       52. mailto:[106]VoteVohra at gmail.com

   --
   Arvin Vohra
   [107]www.VoteVohra.com
   [108]VoteVohra at gmail.com
   (301) 320-3634

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