[Lnc-business] Suspension motion; Adam Mayer
Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt)
alex.merced at lp.org
Thu Apr 12 11:00:39 EDT 2018
I second Caryn’s reaffirmation of her request for Arvin to design.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> My condolences as well.
> In reference to the other matter, there are solid good faith positions
> all around in this very difficult manner. Many of us asked Mr. Vohra
> to resign which is far preferable, and I renew that request here.
> I would like to bring to your attention that there was an additional
> MeWe post on the same issue which raises the same very troubling issues
> in which Mr. Vohra stated that if he thought it would be effective that
> he would have shot up a school board already. So..... is that not
> advocating the initiation of force if it could be proven to work?
> Here is the exact post - what Mr. Vohra gives with one hand, he takes
> away with another. That is precisely the problem.
> A few have, interestingly, asked why I don’t support violence against
> the government. After all, given how much I hate the government, why
> wouldn’t I want to see it shot up a bit?
> Here’s an analogy. Suppose you wanted to destroy a church. If you just
> bomb the church, the adherents of the religion would just create a new
> one. To truly destroy a church, you need to destroy the religion.
> Religions are ideas, and are destroyed by ideas. Belief in the welfare
> state, especially government schools, is an idea. It will be defeated
> by ideas, not by guns.
> Listen, if I thought shooting up a school board would end the welfare
> state, or even just government schools, I would have already done it.
> My life is not so precious that it’s worth destroying the minds of tens
> of millions of American kids a year. But such an action would be
> We don’t need to kill individuals or blow up buildings. We need to
> destroy the ideology that creates those institutions.
> We need to destroy the belief in the welfare state, especially
> government schools. And while that requires a certain verbal
> aggressiveness, it doesn’t benefit from violence.====
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Starchild <starchild at lp.org> wrote:
> My condolences to the Mayer family on their loss, and my
> thanks for their efforts on behalf of freedom and the LP.
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 7:02 AM, James Lark wrote:
>> Dear colleagues:
>> I hope all is well with you. I am writing to provide some
>> information about a couple of matters.
>> 1) In a separate message I shall send my vote on the motion to
>> Arvin Vohra. While I believe several of Mr. Vohra's actions are
>> reflective of poor judgment, I am not convinced that the recent
>> post in question or his previous statements constitute a violation
>> the certification (also referred to as the "membership pledge").
>> particular, I believe that the post in question was an attempt at
>> (albeit an attempt that failed badly), and I accept his statements
>> he does not advocate violence against the state. (I have some
>> additional concerns about the wording of the motion, which I shall
>> discuss if the need arises.)
>> On Mar. 31, I sent a message to Mr. Vohra about the MeWe post.
>> stated my belief that the intentional posting of the message in
> such a
>> place suggested questionable judgment, and perhaps an indifference
>> the negative effect such posts may have on the LP, especially with
>> respect to some of our affiliate organizations. I also requested
>> he resign from the LNC, preferably with immediate effect.
>> For whatever it is worth, this is one of the most difficult
> votes I
>> have cast during my service as an LNC member. I am concerned that
>> of Mr. Vohra's statements have caused damage to the LP, and may
>> damage in the future. Thus, I understand very well why the motion
>> supported by many people whose character and judgment I greatly
>> respect. I am also concerned that passage of the motion may cause
>> many problems over the long term as it may alleviate. In most
>> when I have such uncertainty concerning a motion, I abstain.
>> in this case, since an abstention functions as a "nay" vote, I
>> it is appropriate to vote "nay."
>> 2) A few days ago I received word that Adam Mayer, former chair of
>> Libertarian Party of Oregon, had passed away. Mr. Mayer and his
>> Christiana were stalwarts of the Libertarian Party of Oregon for
>> years. On a personal note, they were extremely kind and hospitable
>> me when I had the honor of addressing the LP Oregon conventions in
>> and 2007. I hope you will join me in offering condolences to the
>> family on their loss, and in offering thanks for their work for
>> As always, thanks for your work for liberty. I look forward to
>> seeing you soon.
>> Take care,
>> James W. Lark, III
>> Dept. of Systems and Information Engineering
>> Applied Mathematics Program, Dept. of Engineering and Society
>> Affiliated Faculty, Dept. of Statistics
>> University of Virginia
>> Advisor, The Liberty Coalition
>> University of Virginia
>> Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> Motion (contained in e-mail ballot 2018-05) concerning Arvin Vohra:
>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of force as
>> cardinal principle and requires each of its members certify that
>> neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve political
>> social goals.
>> RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends Arvin
>> from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated
>> conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian Party into
>> disrepute, including making and defending a statement advocating
>> violence against state employees who are not directly threatening
>> imminent physical harm. Such action is in violation of our
>> pledge. These actions further endanger the survival of our movement
>> the security of all of our members without their consent.
>> From https://www.lp.org/membership/:
>> * Certify Your Membership*
>> + [ ] YES, sign me up as a member of the Libertarian Party.
>> validate my membership, I certify that I oppose the
>> of force to achieve political or social goals.
>> 1. https://www.lp.org/membership/
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
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> 2. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
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