[Lnc-business] Judicial committee

phillip.anderson at lp.org phillip.anderson at lp.org
Thu Jul 5 22:37:24 EDT 2018


Yes. Anyone watching the livestream, and all the attendees, who heard people at the podium say that we are the tech-friendly party, talking about blockchain, etc., then watched us conduct our business, could have understandably believed we are full of it. 

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From: Lnc-business <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> On Behalf Of john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 9:34 PM
To: Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt) via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
Cc: john.phillips at lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Judicial committee

Also, a quick google search turns up several smart phone apps, some are even free John PhillipsLibertarian National Committee Region 6 RepresentativeCell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt) via Lnc-business Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 8:12 PMTo: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;Cc: Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt);Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Judicial committee Stuart Flood from SC said he has a prototype for electronic balloting that is compliant with the bylaws and is willing to present and put together prototype for the next meeting, is there interest in doing so? Also, LPTX used scantron sheets for balloting although come to think of it that approach may not be currently compliant with national bylaws, I can also reach out to them to discuss how they do it if interest.

Also, during first LNC meeting I wasn’t sure if we were going to need to propose committees so in the name of saving time I wrote down Committee motions for a new Blockchain Committee and Electric Ballot Committee based on the wording for the outreach committee that many of you helped me with earlier in the year.

Caryn Ann, do you have these motions could you send them to me so I can start a new thread for each one to perfect the wording?

Also, congrats to all of you for your elections and re-elections to the LNC. I look forward to working with everyone! :)

Alex Merced

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> On Jul 5, 2018, at 9:05 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business  wrote:
> 
>   It was presented to the delegates as:
>   a.  you say the top five
>   b.  you let the LNC do so and they shouldn't be trusted
>   It was the horns of a false dilemma and they were spoon-fed the path to
>   go.  To me that is interfering in our own internal elections and
>   inappropriate.  If this was the first time, well okay. For me it is the
>   second time and I am hearing that it has been multiple times.
>   It is time for this to not be swept under the rug with a patch.
>   I have not made a choice when I am told I have to pick between two bad
>   choices when there were other options if given some time to hash out.
>     Hell we could have done a run off standing vote between some of
>   them.  These were so close that they do not represent at all what our
>   rules intended.
>   It's not right.  And I am not going to pretend like it is.
> 
>   On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:52 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
>   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>     I'm pretty sure Alicia keeps all the paper ballots along with the
>     state tally sheets from each convention.  Give her a day or two
>     to rest up!
>     ---
>     Sam Goldstein
>     Libertarian National Committee
>     317-850-0726 Cell
> 
>   On 2018-07-05 20:44, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
> 
>     I have one delegation in Region 1 right now that is not happy about
>     the At Large situation, and is requesting an audit of the vote.
>     Specifically the state by state break down, as is afforded on all
>     other election results, but no delegation was able to review the
>     results to ensure accuracy. There is further concern that there was
>     no
>     preservation of the original ballots from the delegations.
>     I can tell you this much: had I known what was going on, I would
>     have
>     raised these concerns on the floor. Unfortunately, I had to
>     credential
>     out because I had to get on a flight back to Utah for July 4th as my
>     campaign had multiple outreach events. Many delegates also were
>     candidates that had to leave for similar reasons.
>     We cannot rush through this as if it is an afterthought. Especially
>     if
>     there ended up being a need for the JC to rule on an issue.
>     Craig Bowden
>     Region 1 Alternate
>     On 2018-07-05 18:30, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> 
>     As this is an LNC created committee, I think that committee creation
>     by
>        larger unrelated bodies is a recipe for disaster.  As a group we
>     can
>        pick applicants who fill in needed holes and knowledge.  I am not
>        thinking 50 person.  I am thinking 9, 11, or 13.  It is a big
>     issue.
>        I think some LNC members should be ex officio advisory members
>     only.
>        On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>        <[1][2]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>          Caryn Ann, I was thinking state chairs or people they appoint.
>          Which could be some of the people you're thinking might be
>     good.
>          A 50 person committee would be too large (someone from each
>     state
>          affiliate), but Regions could send one or two people.  Eight
>     regions
>          and two from each, so maybe 16 people.  (Or, could be smaller)
>          They could work on "improving the election scheduling,
>     balloting,
>          and tabulation process", and report sometime in 2019 to see
>     what
>          improvements could be made.
>          ---
>          Elizabeth Van Horn
>          LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>          Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>          LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>          Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>          [2][3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>          On 2018-07-05 20:12, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>          It needs a much larger and more diverse committee that doesn't
>     have
>          the
>             LNC's thumb on it like every other committee.  Many many
>     many
>          qualified
>             people offered, including former LNC people who have been to
>     this
>             rodeo.
>             On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:06 PM, joe.bishop-henchman--- via
>          Lnc-business
>             <[1][3][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>               Good questions. My answers would be that the only way this
>          works is
>               if everyone feels like they have a seat at the table.
>     Timing
>          wise,
>               this gives them time to collect ideas and feedback while
>     giving
>          us
>               time to address it if they can't come up with a consensus
>               recommendation.
>               It's also more than just technology - it's also whether we
>     do
>               plurality or IRV or approval, it's whether we do combined
>          ballots or
>               all separate, it's whether we need three days or four or
>     five.
>               There's off-the-shelf electronic voting things we can rent
>     -
>          I've
>               done elections with them before - but I think our Party
>     members
>               would without buy-in reject them as centralized and
>     potentially
>          not
>               secure. The solution may just be some new bylaws changes
>     and
>          more
>               tellers and computers, and no new technology. I'm not
>     sure.
>               JBH
>             On 2018-07-05 19:56, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
>     wrote:
>               Why start a new committee? Shouldn't this fall under the
>          purview of
>               IT?
>                  John Phillips
>                  Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>                  Cell [1]217-412-5973
>                  ------ Original message------
>                  From: [2]joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business
>                  Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 6:32 PM
>                To: [3][2][4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>                Cc: [4][3][5][6]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org;
>                Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Judicial committee
>             I've been thinking about this since the night of the
>     At-Large/JC
>             election and I do share Ms. Harlos's frustration. I had
>     perhaps
>        100
>             delegates who were going to support me already leave by the
>     time
>        we
>             got
>             to the At-Large election. Complaining about how long
>     balloting and
>             tabulation took is already the #1 feedback topic I'm getting
>     from
>             Party
>             members.
>             That said, I agree with Ms. Van Horn that the Convention did
>        perhaps
>             the
>             least worst option under the circumstances. I worry that
>     anything
>        we
>             do
>             that departs from that, be it putting our own people on or
>     keeping
>             the
>             dead hand of the last JC or sending a mail ballot to all
>     Party
>             members
>             or some rump thereof, is even more disconnected from the
>     rules we
>             should
>             be following and destined to be viewed as illegitimate and
>        post-hoc.
>             I would like to fix it for next time, as I know many of you
>     do.
>             Taking
>             Mr. Goldstein's suggestion, I took a stab at tackling three
>     birds
>             with
>             one stone:
>             WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Convention on July 3, 2018
>     voted
>             that
>             the top vote-getters in the At-Large race fill all available
>             At-Large
>             seats on the LNC; and
>             WHEREAS, Rule 9 directs that the election of Judicial
>     Committee
>             members
>             be conducted as the same manner as specified for at-large
>     members
>        of
>             the
>             National Committee; and
>             WHEREAS, LNC action pursuant to Bylaws Article 7, Section 7
>     would
>             clear
>             all potential doubts as to who the new LNC members are;
>             THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Joshua Smith, Bill Redpath,
>     and
>             Alicia
>             Mattson are added to the LNC as At-Large members for a
>     two-year
>             term;
>             and
>             BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the LNC acknowledges the
>     election of
>        D.
>             Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett,
>     Geoff
>             Neale,
>             Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle to the Judicial Committee
>     for a
>             four-year term; and
>             BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a special committee be
>     established to
>             present a consensus recommendation to the LNC by September
>     1, 2019
>             for
>             improving the election scheduling, balloting, and tabulation
>        process
>             of
>             LNC elections, with said committee to consist of:
>             (1) the Party Vice-Chair, who will act as chairperson
>             (2) the Party Secretary
>             (3) a designee of the Bylaws & Rules Committee
>             (4) four Party members appointed by the Party Chair, from
>     among
>        the
>             various caucuses in the Party.
>             JBH
>             On [5]2018-07-05 18:04, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
>     wrote:
>             Since we apparently closed the convention without a
>     procedure for
>                populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion to
>        appoint
>             the
>                top seven vote winners as the JC for this term?  I
>     suppose we
>        can
>             be
>                anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit
>             applications
>             from
>                people who were not nominated at convention.
>                I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have to
>     verify
>             they
>                have been members for four years.
>                --
>                Sam Goldstein
>                Libertarian National Committee
>                [6]317-850-0726 Cell
>             References
>                1. tel:217-412-5973
>                  2. [4][6][7]http://joe.bi/
>                  3. mailto:[5][7][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>                  4. mailto:[6][8][9]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>                  5. tel:2018-07-05 18
>                  6. tel:317-850-0726
>             --
>             --
>             In Liberty,
>             Caryn Ann Harlos
>             Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>     (Alaska,
>             Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>          Washington)
>             - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>             Communications Director, [8]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>             Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>             A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>             We defend your rights
>             And oppose the use of force
>             Taxation is theft
>          References
>             1. mailto:[9][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>             2. mailto:[10][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>             3. mailto:[11][12]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>             4. [12][13]http://joe.bi/
>             5. mailto:[13][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>             6. mailto:[14][15]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>             7. mailto:[15]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>             8. [16][16]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>        --
>        --
>        In Liberty,
>        Caryn Ann Harlos
>        Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>        Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>     Washington)
>        - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>        Communications Director, [18]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>        We defend your rights
>        And oppose the use of force
>        Taxation is theft
>     References
>        1. mailto:[17]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>        2. [18]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>        3. mailto:[19]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        4. mailto:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        5. mailto:[21]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>        6. [22]http://joe.bi/
>        7. mailto:[23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        8. mailto:[24]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>        9. mailto:[25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>       10. mailto:[26]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>       11. mailto:[27]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>       12. [28]http://joe.bi/
>       13. mailto:[29]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>       14. mailto:[30]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>       15. mailto:[31]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>       16. [32]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>       17. mailto:[33]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>       18. [34]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 
>   --
>   --
>   In Liberty,
>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>   - [35]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>   Communications Director, [36]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>   We defend your rights
>   And oppose the use of force
>   Taxation is theft
> 
> References
> 
>   1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   2. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>   3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>   4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   6. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>   7. http://joe.bi/
>   8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   9. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  10. 
> mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  12. 
> mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  13. http://joe.bi/  14. 
> mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  15. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> 16. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  17. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org  
> 18. http://www.lpcaucus.org/  19. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  20. 
> mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  21. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> 22. http://joe.bi/  23. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  24. 
> mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  25. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> 26. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  27. 
> mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  28. http://joe.bi/  29. 
> mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  30. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> 31. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  32. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> 33. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  34. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> 35. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  36. http://www.lpcolorado.org/





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