[Lnc-business] Acknowledging election of JC members
Elizabeth Van Horn
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Sat Jul 7 11:40:40 EDT 2018
I'm still co-sponsoring.
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Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-07-07 11:39, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business wrote:
> I am still co-sponsoring.
>
> ---
> Tim Hagan
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>
> On 2018-07-07 04:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Before I start this email ballot, I need a clarification from the
>> co-sponsors.
>> In light of Mr. Moulton's announcement of the JC's decision to
>> appoint
>> members other than the top 7 is this motion still co-sponsored?
>> This
>> would put us in conflict with the JC.
>> Please let me know.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> It seems clear to me that whatever we do is a kludge. But it also
>> seems clear to me that since the JC is the watchdog for the Party,
>> that
>> the foxes shouldn't decide who guards the henhouse and we defer to
>> their kludge.
>> We probably haven't had a valid JC since 2016 in the first place.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:01 AM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>> <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> The first thing to do here is read our existing bylaws
>> relating
>> to the
>> Judicial Committee.
>> Bylaw Article 8.1 says (in part), "The Judicial Committee
>> shall
>> take
>> office immediately upon the close of the Regular Convention at
>> which
>> elected and shall serve until the final adjournment of the
>> next
>> Regular
>> Convention."
>> I don't understand Mr. Moulton's analysis and current plan
>> which,
>> unless I've misunderstood what he wrote, seems to say the JC
>> members
>> from the prior term are still serving on that body with the
>> capacity to
>> resign and fill vacancies. It seems pretty clear from the
>> bylaws
>> that
>> their terms expired at the final adjournment of the convention
>> on
>> Tuesday afternoon.
>> -Alicia
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman via
>> Lnc-business
>> <[1][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> Mr. Moulton, the chair of the old JC, has permitted me to
>> forward
>> this
>> from him. I agree with his analysis of the problem and
>> believe
>> the
>> proposed LNC motion would help make clear who the JC is.
>> JBH
>> Sam and Joe,
>> I only speak for myself and not for the whole JC from the
>> 2016-2018
>> term.
>> Because no one received a majority vote with approval
>> voting,
>> there is
>> a
>> controversy as to whether the Judicial Committee was
>> properly
>> elected.
>> Without getting into details of the relative merits of each
>> interpretation, I believe this is an exhaustive list:
>> 1. The convention elected all 7 JC members by plurality
>> (the
>> motion to
>> suspend the rules for at-large applies to JC because our
>> rules
>> say the
>> JC uses the same method of election as at-large).
>> 2. The convention elected 5 JC members by plurality (the
>> motion
>> referenced above explicitly said the top 5 would be elected
>> by
>> plurality)
>> 3. The JC from the previous term continues serving another
>> 2 or
>> 4
>> years
>> (no one received a majority)
>> 4. The LNC can appoint the JC (the LNC can fill at-large
>> vacancies, and
>> our rules say the JC is elected by the same method as
>> at-large)
>> 5. We have no JC (no one received a majority and our bylaws
>> say
>> the JC
>> serves until the final adjournment of the next convention
>> rather
>> than
>> when the next JC is elected)
>> I can't do anything about interpretation #5.
>> I am trying my best to at least make the interpretations in
>> #1,
>> #2, #3,
>> and #4 be the same people so those with different
>> interpretations
>> don't
>> think we have 4 different JCs. I believe this will add to
>> the
>> legitimacy of the JC.
>> To that end I have asked the previous term's JC to resign
>> (except
>> me,
>> as
>> I serve on both) and appoint the 6 new JC members to fill
>> the
>> vacancies
>> created. That makes the people under #3 the same as the
>> people
>> under
>> #1. 6 of us (including me) have voted yes, and 5 have
>> simultaneously
>> submitted their resignations effective at the end of the
>> vote.
>> One
>> member of the old JC refuses to vote or resign because he
>> thinks
>> that
>> interpretation is without merit. He told me over the phone
>> (repeatedly)
>> "I am not on the JC."
>> Once the new JC is constituted on the email list, I will
>> offer
>> a
>> motion
>> for the top 5 to fill 2 vacancies with the next 2 on the
>> list.
>> That
>> makes the people under #2 the same as the people under #1.
>> The LNC's motion could be construed to make the people
>> under #4
>> the
>> same
>> as under #1.
>> Please feel free to forward this email to the LNC. Anyone
>> may
>> email me
>>
>> at [1][2][4]chuck at moulton.org or call me at 215-768-6812
>> if
>> you have
>> any
>> questions.
>> Chuck Moulton
>> Chair, 2016-2018 LP Judicial Committee
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[3][5]chuck at moulton.org
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[7]chuck at moulton.org
>> 3. mailto:[8]chuck at moulton.org
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [10]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
>> 5. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
>> 6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 7. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
>> 8. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
>> 9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 12. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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