[Lnc-business] Acknowledging election of JC members

Elizabeth Van Horn elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Sat Jul 7 11:40:40 EDT 2018


I'm still co-sponsoring.

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Elizabeth Van Horn


On 2018-07-07 11:39, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business wrote:
> I am still co-sponsoring.
> 
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> Tim Hagan
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> 
> On 2018-07-07 04:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Before I start this email ballot, I need a clarification from the
>>    co-sponsors.
>>    In light of Mr. Moulton's announcement of the JC's decision to 
>> appoint
>>    members other than the top 7 is this motion still co-sponsored?  
>> This
>>    would put us in conflict with the JC.
>>    Please let me know.
>> 
>>    On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>    It seems clear to me that whatever we do is a kludge.  But it also
>>    seems clear to me that since the JC is the watchdog for the Party, 
>> that
>>    the foxes shouldn't decide who guards the henhouse and we defer to
>>    their kludge.
>>    We probably haven't had a valid JC since 2016 in the first place.
>> 
>>    On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:01 AM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>>    <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>         The first thing to do here is read our existing bylaws 
>> relating
>>      to the
>>         Judicial Committee.
>>         Bylaw Article 8.1 says (in part), "The Judicial Committee 
>> shall
>>      take
>>         office immediately upon the close of the Regular Convention at
>>      which
>>         elected and shall serve until the final adjournment of the 
>> next
>>      Regular
>>         Convention."
>>         I don't understand Mr. Moulton's analysis and current plan 
>> which,
>>         unless I've misunderstood what he wrote, seems to say the JC
>>      members
>>         from the prior term are still serving on that body with the
>>      capacity to
>>         resign and fill vacancies.  It seems pretty clear from the 
>> bylaws
>>      that
>>         their terms expired at the final adjournment of the convention 
>> on
>>         Tuesday afternoon.
>>         -Alicia
>> 
>>       On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman via 
>> Lnc-business
>>       <[1][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>            Mr. Moulton, the chair of the old JC, has permitted me to
>>    forward
>>         this
>>            from him. I agree with his analysis of the problem and 
>> believe
>>         the
>>            proposed LNC motion would help make clear who the JC is.
>>            JBH
>>            Sam and Joe,
>>            I only speak for myself and not for the whole JC from the
>>         2016-2018
>>            term.
>>            Because no one received a majority vote with approval 
>> voting,
>>         there is
>>            a
>>            controversy as to whether the Judicial Committee was 
>> properly
>>         elected.
>>            Without getting into details of the relative merits of each
>>            interpretation, I believe this is an exhaustive list:
>>            1. The convention elected all 7 JC members by plurality 
>> (the
>>         motion to
>>            suspend the rules for at-large applies to JC because our 
>> rules
>>         say the
>>            JC uses the same method of election as at-large).
>>            2. The convention elected 5 JC members by plurality (the 
>> motion
>>            referenced above explicitly said the top 5 would be elected 
>> by
>>            plurality)
>>            3. The JC from the previous term continues serving another 
>> 2 or
>>    4
>>         years
>>            (no one received a majority)
>>            4. The LNC can appoint the JC (the LNC can fill at-large
>>         vacancies, and
>>            our rules say the JC is elected by the same method as 
>> at-large)
>>            5. We have no JC (no one received a majority and our bylaws 
>> say
>>         the JC
>>            serves until the final adjournment of the next convention
>>    rather
>>         than
>>            when the next JC is elected)
>>            I can't do anything about interpretation #5.
>>            I am trying my best to at least make the interpretations in 
>> #1,
>>         #2, #3,
>>            and #4 be the same people so those with different
>>    interpretations
>>         don't
>>            think we have 4 different JCs.  I believe this will add to 
>> the
>>            legitimacy of the JC.
>>            To that end I have asked the previous term's JC to resign
>>    (except
>>         me,
>>            as
>>            I serve on both) and appoint the 6 new JC members to fill 
>> the
>>         vacancies
>>            created.  That makes the people under #3 the same as the 
>> people
>>         under
>>            #1.  6 of us (including me) have voted yes, and 5 have
>>         simultaneously
>>            submitted their resignations effective at the end of the 
>> vote.
>>         One
>>            member of the old JC refuses to vote or resign because he
>>    thinks
>>         that
>>            interpretation is without merit.  He told me over the phone
>>            (repeatedly)
>>            "I am not on the JC."
>>            Once the new JC is constituted on the email list, I will 
>> offer
>>    a
>>         motion
>>            for the top 5 to fill 2 vacancies with the next 2 on the 
>> list.
>>         That
>>            makes the people under #2 the same as the people under #1.
>>            The LNC's motion could be construed to make the people 
>> under #4
>>         the
>>            same
>>            as under #1.
>>            Please feel free to forward this email to the LNC.  Anyone 
>> may
>>         email me
>> 
>>              at [1][2][4]chuck at moulton.org or call me at 215-768-6812 
>> if
>>      you have
>>           any
>>              questions.
>>              Chuck Moulton
>>              Chair, 2016-2018 LP Judicial Committee
>>           References
>>              1. mailto:[3][5]chuck at moulton.org
>>      References
>>         1. mailto:[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>         2. mailto:[7]chuck at moulton.org
>>         3. mailto:[8]chuck at moulton.org
>> 
>>    --
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, 
>> Washington)
>>    - [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>    Communications Director, [10]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>> 
>>    --
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, 
>> Washington)
>>    - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>    Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>    1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>    2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    4. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
>>    5. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
>>    6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    7. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
>>    8. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
>>    9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>   11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   12. http://www.lpcolorado.org/



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