[Lnc-business] update on timing

Elizabeth Van Horn elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Wed Jul 11 00:06:38 EDT 2018


Pretty sure other state chairs feel they're being ignored too, but 
they're the one's who want to move on from this issue.

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Elizabeth Van Horn


On 2018-07-10 23:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> The At-Large results shouldn’t be a one-person audit in this case.
> 
>    And no one who ran should conduct it.
> 
>    I continue to offer to assist.
> 
>    There was no intent to have an inappropriate tone and if anything
>    presented that way you have my abject apology.
> 
>    What is being asked - by several state Chairs - is a timeline.  I 
> don’t
>    think that is unreasonable.  They feel like they are being ignored.
> 
>    On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>    <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>         Thank you for your work Alicia. I appreciate your hasty efforts
>      and
>         dedication in getting these items available as soon as you can.
>         Richard
>         On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 05:09 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>         <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>              Ms. Harlos,
>              I indicated before that I would be traveling with a full
>      schedule
>           and
>              only sporadic internet access, and would not return to my
>      more
>           normal
>              routine until Monday.  I got home from my trip Sunday 
> night,
>      and
>              starting in the wee hours of Monday morning you started 
> the
>      "Are
>           we
>              there yet?" messages about the At-Large details.  Then
>      throughout
>           the
>              day it became rather unfair characterizations that I was
>      saying
>           "well,
>              whenever" as though I'm blowing it off.  That tone is not
>           warranted nor
>              appreciated.
>              Yes, the state-by-state numbers that add up to the totals 
> I
>      sent
>           do
>              exist, but providing that will not be the end of the 
> story.
>      If
>           all I
>              send is that, immediately the questions will begin about 
> the
>           instances
>              where those numbers vary from the delegation tally sheets
>      because
>           we
>              caught and corrected errors.  Then while I am researching 
> to
>           answer
>              those questions, we all know the internet gossip will get
>      silly,
>           with
>              people not being careful to say only things they know to 
> be
>      true
>           while
>              waiting on answers to the questions.
>              My usual practice is to do the post-convention audit as 
> part
>      of
>              building the convention minutes, which is near the end of 
> my
>           to-do list
>              after having updated other minutes with timing deadlines,
>      policy,
>              bylaws, platform, etc.  Instead, so I can answer most
>      questions
>           on
>              at-large before they are asked, because there was a very
>      close
>           outcome
>              that involves me, I've prioritized the audit of the 
> At-Large
>      race
>           to do
>              it mostly first...though I did also send updated minutes 
> to
>      meet
>           a
>              posting deadline and update the Policy Manual earlier.
>              When I provide the state-by-state numbers, I'll scan the
>      state
>           tally
>              sheets, plus provide my notes about what's different 
> between
>      the
>           two
>              and why so that those questions can be addressed
>      simultaneously
>           in one
>              message, rather than being spread out in different places 
> at
>           different
>              times where people might miss some of it.
>              You're well aware of how long it took a team of 10 people 
> to
>      go
>           through
>              the Judicial Committee votes after the LNC meeting on July
>      2nd?
>           You
>              can deduce from that how long it takes one person to give
>      the
>           At-Large
>              the second-pass, fine-tooth-comb treatment.  Today I spent 
> a
>           LARGE
>              number of hours on the project.  I think I have about a
>      dozen
>           states
>              left to go, plus tally sheet scanning and writing up my
>      notes.
>           It
>              takes only a few seconds for you to ask, "Are we there
>      yet?", but
>           it
>              takes a lot longer to actually accomplish it.
>              I didn't have the crystal ball at the start of the project
>      to
>           know
>              precisely how long I would get to work on it today, or how
>      long
>           it
>              would take to complete.  Rather than emailing the LNC 
> every
>      30
>           minutes,
>              (and I haven't even taken time to comment on the two email
>           ballots yet,
>              though I have a bit to say there), I'm focusing on just
>      getting
>           this
>              task done so I can move on to the next.  It is a high
>      priority on
>           my
>              list, and when I finish it, I'll send it.
>              To others who have been asking about the rest of my to-do
>      list,
>           I'm
>              doing this project first.  In the case of adopted
>      resolutions,
>           please
>              recall that our convention forges ahead and adopts all 
> sorts
>      of
>           things
>              from the floor while the Secretary is trying to tally
>      election
>              results.  I suppose I should be flattered that some 
> believe
>      I can
>              document those fully on the fly while I'm simultaneously
>           aggregating
>              election results, and have completed minutes immediately
>           following
>              adjournment, but that's a bit overly optimistic.  I am a
>      human
>           who is
>              constrained by the laws of time and space.  I could only
>      make
>           sparse
>              notes about the nature of other proceedings while I was
>      working
>           on
>              elections, and when I start building the convention 
> minutes,
>      I'll
>           have
>              to go back and review the recordings to verify that I 
> caught
>      all
>           the
>              relevant details.  I have a large envelope of lots of 
> things
>      that
>           were
>              submitted in writing, so I'll fish out what was actually
>      voted
>           on,
>              verify that the written submission matches what the
>      delegates
>           were told
>              they were voting on, etc.
>              Again, all these items are in the queue, and I'll get to
>      them all
>           as
>              soon as I reasonably can now that I am back at home with 
> my
>      usual
>              workspace, but it is unreasonable to expect it to all 
> happen
>              instantaneously.
>              -Alicia
>      References
>         1. mailto:[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 
>    --
> 
>    --
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>    - [4]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    4. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org



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