[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Tue Jul 31 11:57:57 EDT 2018


I tried to call an e-meeting.  But like last term it seems that
meeting as few times as possible is what is desired.

-Caryn Ann

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
<lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> So it just takes a majority of those voting to pass this motion which is
> well less than 50% of the LNC at this time.   I think that would be a
> horrible precedent to set, especially for such an important subject.
>
> This is a very bad idea and should have been open to a debate at our next
> meeting.  There is nothing urgent confronting the LNC at this point that
> would require a pretend JC with no actual Bylaws authority or enforcement
> ability.
>
> Please vote No and let's talk about the situation next month.
>
> Live Free,
>
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2018-07-31 10:02, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> I vote yes.
>>
>> In practice this is very similar to the idea of an Appeals Committee.
>> Seems to be the best solution to the situation that the convention
>> delegates created.
>>
>> ---
>> Tim Hagan
>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> On 2018-07-31 04:58, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>
>>> REMINDER - This ballot will expire on AUGUST 1, 2018.
>>>
>>> I have noted the following (please inform me of any corrections):
>>>
>>> Voting AYE: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips
>>>
>>> Voting NAY: Goldstein, Lyons
>>>
>>> Express Abstentions: None
>>>
>>> Not Voting: Bilyeu/Adams, Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Lark/Hogarth,
>>> Mattson, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith, Van Horn/Nanna
>>>
>>> For a current tally of 6-2.
>>>
>>> Notes: Region 8 Representative Hewitt has not voted so Alternate
>>> Olsen's vote stands.
>>>
>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business
>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-07-25 20:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
>>>>> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we’d be
>>>>> bound to follow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
>>>>> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
>>>>> operate.
>>>>>
>>>>> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
>>>>> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
>>>>> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
>>>>>
>>>>> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
>>>>> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we’d be
>>>>> mandatorily bound had they’d successfully been elected.
>>>>>
>>>>> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I’ve seen. It isn’t the
>>>>> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
>>>>> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
>>>>> the time being.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex Merced
>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members.  And
>>>>>> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
>>>>>> would hope would not be re-elected.  This "JC" has already submitted
>>>>>> it appellate rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>> <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Judicial Committee
>>>>>>> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by
>>>>>>> margins
>>>>>>> of at
>>>>>>> least 60% of the
>>>>>>>   delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
>>>>>>> requiring
>>>>>>> a majority approval of delegates
>>>>>>> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> pretend JC would function, whether it
>>>>>>>   would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up
>>>>>>> its'
>>>>>>> own rules that this motion would
>>>>>>>   have the LNC be bound to follow
>>>>>>> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the
>>>>>>> motion
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
>>>>>>>   in favor of but have reconsidered)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion.  The entire
>>>>>>> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
>>>>>>> that is not beholden to the LNC.  There is no guarantee that if the
>>>>>>> pretend
>>>>>>> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
>>>>>>> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
>>>>>>>>> LNC-Business
>>>>>>>>>   list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>>>>>   Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>   Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>>>>>>>   vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>   they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>>>>>>>>>   follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>>>>>>>   acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>   affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>>>>>>>>> votes
>>>>>>>>>   here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>>   In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>>>   [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>   We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>   And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>   Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>   2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I could get behind this solution, once we ensure this never happens
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Jeff Lyons
>>>>
>>>> Region 8 Alternate
>>>> (Acting Region 8 Rep)
>>>>
>>>> Libertarian Assoc. of MA
>>>> Membership Director
>>>> http://www.lpmass.org/join
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Fishman for Auditor
>>>> Campaign Manager
>>>> http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft



-- 
-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft



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